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Offline armycar01

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« on: May 25, 2003, 03:09:15 PM »
Can smoothbore shotguns shoot rifled slugs?

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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2003, 05:07:58 PM »
Yes they can, but I doubt you get the desired accuracy your looking for. Most slugs that are designed for rifled barrels are a sabot type shell and are made to fit the rifling of the barrel.
 I have found the Brenneke slugs designed for smooth bores will shoot best with a cylinder bore choke. I know some people who have great sucsess with the standard Rem. foster type slugs for about half the price of the Brennekes.
 It all depends on your gun and what it likes.
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2003, 05:32:08 PM »
Strange that you mention Remington rifled foster-type slugs; I've had great success with them out of the smoothbore slug barrel on my Remington 870.  <3 inch group at 50 yards and within a pie plate at 100.  Killed the two deer I shot at (about 60 yards) last winter.  Winchester rifled slugs are about that good at 50 yards but all over the place at 100 in my rig, anyway.
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Yes, depending on the choke.
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2003, 05:40:48 PM »
Foster slugs can be shot in any smooth bore depending on the choke.  Most people warn not to shoot Fosters in a full choke but my most accurate shotguns have been modified or better.  The term "rifled" slug is really a selling term.  The supposed fins are supposed to help stabilize the slug.  But in actuality, they do little.  Glue some fins on a rock some time and throw it.  Doesn't help much to stabilize it.

Saboted slugs on the other hand are intended for imp. cyl. or open bore guns, or rifled barrels.  There a different breed and should be treated as such. NEVER EVER shoot a saboted slug in a full choke shotgun. Brennekes fall into this group.  They are hardened and intended for dangerous game.

Fosters are made of almost pure lead.  They are very forgiving when they hit a restriction, like a choke.  For years, because of liability, Remington kept theres around .685.  Way small. Winny and Federal were around .728(?).

Sabots on the other hand have a hard plastic case that encompasses the slug.  They won't give and will ruin a full choke or possibly injure someone.  

Damascus barrels  fall into the NEVER EVER shoot any slug in them. There are still some of them floating around out there and the unknowing teenage that sneeks dads prize out for a slug shoot usually gets a surprize.

Accuracy:  My old H&R 12 gauge single smoothbore with a scope will group under 2" at 75 yards all day long.  My 870, 12 gauge is darn near that.  Much depends on the sighting system that you use.  I favor a 1.5-2X scope.  In Penn. they used to have slug shooting contests with special bolt action guns.  You would be amazed at how accurate a slug gun can get! :grin:
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2003, 05:48:38 PM »
I kinda misinterpreted the question. The Remington Foster type slugs I mentioned are called rifled slugs. They are designed for smooth bores.
 The sabot type slugs are for rifled barrels. Shooting a sabot in a smooth bore would probably give less than disired accuracy.
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2003, 05:57:28 PM »
True, foster slugs get a lot of their "stability" from their cup-like shape, but the rifling does give them that cool buzzing sound.
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Hey Big!
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2003, 07:52:24 PM »
What area do you hunt in?  If you can hear them buzzing your on the wrong end of the gun :lol:
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Re: Hey Big!
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2003, 04:16:20 AM »
Quote from: Daveinthebush
What area do you hunt in?  If you can hear them buzzing your on the wrong end of the gun :lol:
:roll: Buzzzz        :sniper:
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Hi Dave!
Do you guys use 10-12 ga. slug guns in Alaska for dangerous game (ie. bears) as I understand they have great stopping power for back-up situations?  Sound like what I would want my guide to be using when I'm after my first Brownie up there!


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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2003, 05:16:26 AM »
Jim:  Both are used!  They both have a faithful following.  The main issue I think though is the type of slug.  Brenneke's Only!  Fosters are to soft and should never be used on bears. I certainly feel comfortable with my 870 or the 7600.

I am heading out bear hunting as soon as I get some issues resolved today/tomorrow :grin: .
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2003, 05:24:16 AM »
Dave,
Thanks for the confirmation.  What are the Brenneke (dangerous game)slugs made from.....like wheel weight alloy as compared to the usual all lead foster slug?  Guess they shouldn't be used for deer/thin-skinned game?

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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2003, 06:33:54 AM »
Using the latest scientific instruments available to me here in Valdez: I can actually scratch a small chunk out of a Foster with my finger nail. The Brenneke is diffenetly harder as I can't repeat the process.  A knife will easily scratch the Foster. The Brenneke still cuts but about half as deep.

I found the fps as 1,500 and 3,000+ flbs. The original developer of the Brenneke designed them for Cape Buffalo, Lions and such.
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Hey Dave
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2003, 06:17:54 PM »
Do Brenekes group any tighter than Foster-types out of your 870?
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2003, 06:57:59 PM »
Back in NY I tried them once.  Winchester and Federals were better with my full choke guns. For deer the extra expense wasn't justified.  

Up here I shot them out of a turkey barrel with an open choke and at 20 yards they were acceptable, 2-3" at 20 yards.  Ok for grizz.  That is the barrel that I sold in Nulato.  

Right now with the 3", 1 3/8 oz. slugs I am without a barrel that will work. I have a Remchoke 2 3/4 and a 3" 28" barrel w/full choke.  Neither is gonna work.  I really need to find a slug or short turkey barrel again.  Can't in this town! Too small.

Sounds like another project to search Ebay tonight!

Sorry but not much help on the accuracy part.  My brother shots the 2 3/4" ones in his Winchester and does alright but we seldom sight in together.
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