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Offline Dand

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break barrel springers can be dangerous
« on: June 01, 2007, 11:41:17 PM »
Hey guys I post this as proof that we should heed the warnings about handling springers.  Especially with regard to getting fingers in the breach area while holding onto the barrel.  I didn't. My gun malfunctioned and I'm paying - not as bad as I might have but close.  I nearly lopped a big chunk out of my left thumb.

It started with a tuned rifle that had the trigger pull greatly reduced - probably too reduced.  I cocked the gun then realized in my haste to shoot it, I hadn't got a can of pellets opened and into easy reach first.  So I reached far up on a shelf to get a can and in the process let my thumb get into the breach area. The trigger released forcing the barrel to slam closed on the tip of my left thumb. This is a BSA SuperSport - a lower end "magnum" air rifle.

The hide off the top of my thumb has disappeard the bone was shattered and the pad of my thumb was nearly cut off. Luckily hitting bone seems to have deflected my thumb out of the breach area and I didn't have to open the gun to get it out. 

Once at the emergency room I was grateful for several shots of lidocane to the thumb before x-ray, cleaning, removal of some bone, and stitching was done.  For a while the Dr. thought he'd have to just finish the removal job which would have left me with a heck of a notch and a big open wound.  But enough circulation remained that he decided to stitch me together after removing a 3/16 inch chunk of bone that had been driven down into flesh.  It took about 45 min to an hour to sew up and 16 stitches.  Hard part was on the top of my thumb where there was nothing to sew to.

So, its been 2 weeks and the stitches are out.  I have to really protect it so I don't open it up. I'm lucky that it doesn't hurt real deep most of the time.  Usually feels numb or like I'm touching a very high speed sander. But there is some sharp stining along the top.  But it looks like the joint wasn't ruined and I hope to regain movement of it. They say it might take several months though.

Its sure messed up my early summer program.  I had a bunch of wood to cut and split, boats to rig.  I was bicycling with my boys and planned some long hikes to our cabin but I don't want to risk it for now.

Oh, and after getting sewed up I checked the gun thinking I had somehow tripped the trigger with my shirt or bumping something. I doubt that now. First 2 tries to test fire, the trigger released by itself before I could get the gun pointed to my target trap - 2 holes in the sheet rock.  And I was being VERY careful.  A few days later I try the gun again (outside now) and the gun was fine for 3 shots.  Yesterday I tried the gun for 2 shots again outside.  First shot fine, second time the trigger again released on its own!

The gun never did this before the tune.  I have to figure out how to make it safe.  This was going to be my back road grouse gun.  I have to get back to the tuner to find out just what he did.  I might try just increasing trigger pull but other things might have been done as well.

Anyway - the manuals often say don't let  go of the barrel while loading a pellet and keep things out of the breach area. Heed the warnings.  They ain't a kidding.





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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2007, 04:56:16 AM »
 :o  OUCH!!!

A picture IS  worth a thousand words!  Take care of that thumb brother and thanks for the warning!

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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2007, 05:26:11 PM »
Thanks for the good advice. I will be thinking about your experience next time I load my old 124 FWB. - DON

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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2007, 11:53:14 AM »
Looks like you went too far with the tuning.

    Now the numb feeling is likely due to nerve damage, been there after hitting the wrong switch whilst setting an old Peg Board Auto Capstan-lathe yep OUCH! some years back now but the nerves grew back. Took some months though. Hope yours do too!

    Now after an incident like this with a break barrel air rifle I would advise a careful check of the rifle as damage may have happened to that as well. I have seen barrels bent slightly from the barrel slamming up from the full cocked position. it was not a BSA though. I did see a BSA Meteor get a busted stock through the wrist when a youg lady tried pulling the trigger with ithe barrel fully down. Seems she wanted to see what happened?

   Oh yeah I happen to like the break barrel air rifles. have two at the moment a BSA Meteor .177" and a Feinwerbau Model 127.

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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2007, 06:05:12 AM »
Basic spring gun safety here: The way to make it safe is to never let go of the barrel!
This one ranks right up there with not letting your muzzle point at a person.

if you are right handed, try this: Put the buttstock in your right armpit, right hand under action. Break the barrel and cock with the left hand. While still pulling the barrel down, shove the pellet in with the right hand. It's easiest with an underlever (RWS46, HW77, TX200).

With my RWS48, I brace the recoil pad against my body, and hold the lever back with one hand while loading with the other. I do not depend on the sear or the safety ratchet while my fingers are in the loading window.

EDIT: I found this page with a Google search. It has a nice illustrated loading sequence for the break barrel. It looks like he's bracing the recoil pad against his hip, which also works fine.
http://www.airgundepot.com/pest-control-with-air-rifles-airguns.html

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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2007, 11:18:15 PM »
thanks for the encouragement and advice folks.  I also had a guy point out that many break barrels and other lever cockers can be loaded before cocking - the breach can be opened just enough but before any compression of the spring is done.  Don't know why I never tried that way. I think I'll try to train myself to use that system, as well as hanging onto the barrel etc.

Regarding potential damage to the barrel. I discovered I never did sight in the scope after the tune and before the accident.  I looked the scope over before the second round of test firings and the scope rings and mounts were all very loose - finger tight.  So it will be hard to know if there is damage unless the rifle won't shoot any groups.  I'll be starting from scratch.  But I was aware that releasing the trigger on an open barrel could do damage.  Maybe my thumb slowed the process enough to prevent barrel damage.

I have been told now that increasing the trigger pull weight should cure the problem.  I didn't do the tuning so wasn't fully aware of what other tinkering might have been done to the mechanism.  I have turned the pull weight adjustment screw in about 2.5 turns as a first step.  NO sudden releases in 5 - 10 shots.  Have to make time to really check it out.

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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2007, 03:07:56 PM »
thanks for the encouragement and advice folks.  I also had a guy point out that many break barrels and other lever cockers can be loaded before cocking - the breach can be opened just enough but before any compression of the spring is done.

Haven't handled a SS for about 8-10 years, don't remember how much free play there is in the cocking linkage before you start compressing the spring. This is definitely the way to go if there's room after you break the barrel latch and before you cock. I feel like an ass for not suggesting it myself, because it is the 100% safe way to do it, unless you stumble and fall on top of the gun with your finger in the breech. The only springer I shoot these days is a sidelever RWS, so I have to load with the spring compressed.

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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2007, 06:26:39 AM »
hi all got informed that some one got hurt with a springer.. so just adding to this post my finger that a side lever .177 air rifle did this pic is 2 weeks after i did it so healed quite alot the safety bear trap on it failed wile i had tip of 2 fingers in the breech lucky i didn't have the hole of my fingers in or id have to say good bye to them all healed and good now tho just wont touch a side lever or under lever again :)




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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2007, 02:48:40 PM »
Hmmmm I take it if you were to hurt yourself on a car then you never touch a car again?

A spring powered air rifle is just another mechanical object and needs to be treated as such and with some respect. I all my years of shooting Spring powered air guns I have until now never seen nor heard of "accidents" like this with them, and that's covering nearly 37 years!, Now I am wondering if this side lever is one of those "High Quality Chinese" ones?

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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2007, 02:23:19 AM »
yes didn't i say that.. it was a mates i have a springer of my own i just don't like side or under levers i have break barrels but I'm into pcp's at the moment


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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2007, 11:03:27 AM »
I actually cut my middle finger OFF with a side cocker.  They sewed it back on but what a mess.
What I really remember about the incident, It was in Reno Nv. was that I went to emergerncy room and had to wait 6 hrs. to get treated. 
This is the truth, the line in front of me was almost all people who did not speak English. 
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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2007, 10:56:34 AM »
Thanks for the warning.
Sorry this happened to you.

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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2009, 05:55:54 AM »
Dand, I keep a picture of your injured finger on my computer to drive home the point about a firm and proper hold while loading a springer to my family and shooting friends.
Thanks for the safety tip.

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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2009, 06:08:55 PM »
I get an ugly mental picture from this!
I squirrel hunt sitting on my butt in a stand of water oaks.
I sit the rifle butt between my knees to pull the
barrel down to cock it.  I think I will keep
that rifle out from between my legs after seeing that picture.
That would be an interesting thing to try to explain
at the hospital..I was bit in the crotch by a Beeman!
I have seen fingers like that produced by Garands and Hakims
but never an air rifle! :'(
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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2009, 01:55:31 PM »
Dand, thanks for being honest enough to  post those pictures.I had no idea that kind of damage could happen.You better believe I'll be more careful in the future!

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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2009, 04:28:41 PM »
Kinda' makes my "M1 Thumb" not much of nothin'.  That's something else it only takes once to learn. Glad they got you patched up.
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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2009, 06:51:49 AM »
I had one of the old Chinese side lever types, their knockoff of the RWS 48, that I bought in the early 1990's.  Unlike the RWS, it did not have the two locking safety devices to hold the bolt back when loading it, only one, to try to keep it pulled back.  It was fairly powerful and accurate.  But, on two occasions while the bolt was open the thing slammed forward hard enough to bend the side lever.  If my fingers had been inside the action, I could have been seriously injured.     

I continued to use the Chinese gun, but made sure the lever was blocked from going forward by my right arm, sold this gun to a friend and warned him about the issue, he later got rid of it.  I am surprised that we don't hear about more of this sort of thing.

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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2009, 09:20:11 AM »
Prairie dog; before the next time you have to go to the ER, get a tan or police grey shirt and find an Immigration patch with an eagle or star on it and wear that in, also injuries are supposed to take priority as tissue damage is irreversable after a certain amout of time.  You can also clutch your chest and state you have a crushing chest pain.  I'm a retired USAF medic with 15+ years in the ER. 

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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2009, 10:43:01 AM »
i have been useing Pliers for a long time becuase i was told when i got my B4-2 that things like that could happen, also it keeps my hands clean.
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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2009, 01:49:15 PM »
Prairie dog; before the next time you have to go to the ER, get a tan or police grey shirt and find an Immigration patch with an eagle or star on it and wear that in, also injuries are supposed to take priority as tissue damage is irreversable after a certain amout of time.  You can also clutch your chest and state you have a crushing chest pain.  I'm a retired USAF medic with 15+ years in the ER. 

That does not always work.  (I'm off topic I know).  Two months ago I reported to the ER with an irregular heart beat and extreme dizziness.  I have insurance.  An hour later I cancelled and left and drove home.
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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2009, 12:49:09 AM »
i have been useing Pliers for a long time becuase i was told when i got my B4-2 that things like that could happen, also it keeps my hands clean.

 Pliers to load a pellet? You gotta be kidding. How do you keep from crushing the pellet (or going nuts trying to pick it up and get it loaded)? I'd toss any gun in the trash before I resorted to that.

 I have six side/under-lever rifles. I just put my arm between the lever & stock while loading so the worst that can happen is I get a little bump if it bear-traps on me.
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Re: break barrel springers can be dangerous
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2009, 12:25:08 PM »
i have been useing Pliers for a long time becuase i was told when i got my B4-2 that things like that could happen, also it keeps my hands clean.

 Pliers to load a pellet? You gotta be kidding. How do you keep from crushing the pellet (or going nuts trying to pick it up and get it loaded)? I'd toss any gun in the trash before I resorted to that.

 I have six side/under-lever rifles. I just put my arm between the lever & stock while loading so the worst that can happen is I get a little bump if it bear-traps on me.

it not that hard, you just don't use that much force and i load form a pellet can and grab the middle of the pellet. think how you would pull burr from your hand and use that much fore. it just adds 5 more secs on my load time. I been doing it for years now. also i use mostly crosman and other hard type pellets and you really have crush them if you wanted to.
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