Author Topic: Pen Raised Huge Hog--Shoot/Don't Shoot? (Read 5683 times)

Dusty Wheeler · « **Reply #60 on:** June 08, 2007, 08:41:22 AM »

I must say I have shot 'fenced' hogs--inside a 3,000 acre fenced ranch!
Idaho has 'elk ranches'--several hundred acres with monster sized farm raised bulls... Somehow that just doesn't seem like 'hunting'...
I guess it is the 'sport' and the 'hunt' that means more to me than the 'get.'

NONYA · « **Reply #61 on:** June 08, 2007, 08:54:00 AM »

I think most hunters who see no difference between fenced hunts and fair chase have never been on hard fair chase hunt where they worked for several days before they took an animal and felt how rewarding it is,there are fair chase hunts that are just as easy as a fenced hunt,hunting over bait(food plots) ect can be just as easy as any pen hunt.Others live in areas where there isnt a hole lot of choice if you want a decent opportunity at killing a good animal and I cant blame them for taking advantage of what they can to hunt,My opinion might be far different if I didnt grow up in Montana,I still dont think states like mine with millions of acres of public land full of game need high fence operations,not only do these fences block natural migration routes for game they CAN bring in and spread devastating diseases like CWD.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #62 on:** June 08, 2007, 10:09:31 AM »

NONYA , thank you that concession took alot I'm sure !

NONYA · « **Reply #63 on:** June 08, 2007, 10:18:52 AM »

It is sometimes hard to get outside what you have known your whole life,thats why this site is so interesting,its populated by a wide variety of hunters and shooters from all over NA.

daddywpb · « **Reply #64 on:** June 16, 2007, 10:27:10 PM »

Quote from: GRIMJIM on June 03, 2007, 02:51:41 PM

I guess there are some people that consider shooting an animal in a pen hunting, but I'm not one of them.

I agree. At best, it's shooting. Not even close to hunting. Did they tell that kid that the hog had a name?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #65 on:** June 17, 2007, 11:47:40 AM »

don't know might have been on ear tag

Graybeard · « **Reply #66 on:** June 17, 2007, 12:47:33 PM »

As I've said before in the state of Alabama where this took place it is ILLEGAL to relocate feral hogs from one place to another. Both father and son KNEW they were inside a relatively small high fenced area of only 150 acres. So logically it HAD to be a domestic pen raised hog to be legal.

Ergo they either: 1. KNEW they were hunting a pen raised hog or 2. Were figuring they were hunting illegally.

The only thing that perplexed me about the situation was why the father allowed it to get to the point of so much publicity knowing the facts in the matter. I'd sure not have wanted my son to suffer the embrassment that had to happen once the facts came out by letting it get blown so out of proportion early on.

I'm not one who sees anything wrong with shooting a pig for food regardless of size of it but I'd not have called it hunting and for sure would never have allowed it to go international the way he did and then have it come crashing down on my son that it was all a big lie and a sham from the get go. The father knew even if the son didn't.

corbanzo · « **Reply #67 on:** June 19, 2007, 06:00:59 AM »

Well the answer to that is easy. The father knew what was happening, and did it for the publicity. He wanted to have his son in the spotlight, he was just too stupid to realize what he was actually doing, not everyone else is a stupid as he is. He was blinded with having a 1000+ lb hog, and forgot out the whole rest of the situation.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #68 on:** June 20, 2007, 01:06:10 AM »

some parents want to live their dreams thru. their kids , a life they did not have access, opportunity , commitment or means to live in their youth !

nomosendero · « **Reply #69 on:** June 20, 2007, 06:14:21 PM »

Quote from: Graybeard on June 17, 2007, 12:47:33 PM

As I've said before in the state of Alabama where this took place it is ILLEGAL to relocate feral hogs from one place to another. Both father and son KNEW they were inside a relatively small high fenced area of only 150 acres. So logically it HAD to be a domestic pen raised hog to be legal.

Ergo they either: 1. KNEW they were hunting a pen raised hog or 2. Were figuring they were hunting illegally.

The only thing that perplexed me about the situation was why the father allowed it to get to the point of so much publicity knowing the facts in the matter. I'd sure not have wanted my son to suffer the embrassment that had to happen once the facts came out by letting it get blown so out of proportion early on.

I'm not one who sees anything wrong with shooting a pig for food regardless of size of it but I'd not have called it hunting and for sure would never have allowed it to go international the way he did and then have it come crashing down on my son that it was all a big lie and a sham from the get go. The father knew even if the son didn't.

It looks as though the Father's ego outweighed his common sense & clouded his reasoning. Kinda reminds me of how some Dads showed their butts
at baseball games & put extreme pressure on their kids back when our boys played. It was sad to watch.

Mikey · « **Reply #70 on:** June 21, 2007, 01:04:45 AM »

OK, that's it. Apparently you folk don't quite understand my style of humorously, paternally, ending an argument and discussion that has no ending.

When I said "are we done yet" it means end it now/stop it/cut it out/quit with this stuff/drop it, and do it now.

I'm not using the tactic that since I agree or disagree with anyone in particular the thread is wrong and will be deleted if we don't stop bickering, I am just tired of reading it drag on and out without an ending in sight.

If I was a parent I would send some of you to bed without bullets for your guns and some to the range without guns for your bullets but since I am only the moderator I am simply going to say - The thread is closed, as in ended, as in 'no more discussion', period and that's all she wrote and this is the end of this story. If I read one more 'comeback' I'm pulling the whole thread. Mikey.

Graybeard · « **Reply #71 on:** June 21, 2007, 01:37:34 PM »

I think there is enough interest in this topic I don't want it in the trash can so I've brought it back MINUS all the attacks and insults that were near the end of it.

Let's NOT bring those back and stay on topic not in attack mode from here out.

BRUTE · « **Reply #72 on:** June 21, 2007, 04:36:51 PM »

I personally have only hunted one high fence ranch for hogs. The place was 10k acres... I felt perfectly fine taking hogs from there. At that size it might as well be free range. It was fenced of to keep the smaller ranches around from cashing in on the game that had been there already.

I totally understand some one wanting to hunt a game fence. With how hard it is to get on private land these days if I was not fortunate enough to have what I have I would be right in line on paid hunts. There are legit high fence operations out there and they, the high fence operation and those who hunt them, should not all be blamed for the few who go to the extreme.

Another thing is alot of people has a preconceived notion that all people who pay for hunts are in it for the trophy and that is it. I have been doing some guiding for a couple of years now and ya they like to hunt.... but they like to sit around and shoot skeet also, go fishing, ride through the ranch in the daytime and look at the landscape, etc. many of the people are repeat visitors and the stories that I hear year after year are not about the trophies... they are about so and so winning $50 skeet shooting even though their gun jammed, or how so and so forgot his boots, that kind of stuff. They just want to be in the outdoors just like any of us... they just have to rent the ranch for the weekend where some of us are fortunate enough to own it or have access to it.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #73 on:** June 21, 2007, 09:09:04 PM »

No...I wouldn't go hunting for hog that was penned 1 week ago...Let it range free for a year un-penned...different story...cause it will have a whole different attitude by then..

Mac

billy_56081 · « **Reply #74 on:** June 22, 2007, 12:56:44 PM »

My kids and I have went to Texas many times and shot hogs. It was pure winter gettaway from Minnesota fun. Some places were penned and some weren't but all were fun and it has made for some delicios sausage.

No reason to make hog hunting anything more or less its just a fun relaxing trip. No more no less. Actually on some of the larger pens around 1000 acres the hogs were way smarter than on the unfenced King ranch hunt i was on.

qajaq59 · « **Reply #75 on:** June 23, 2007, 01:29:15 AM »

No I probably wouldn't have paid to go after that pig if I knew he was domestic just a week ago. BUT, that's easy to say since I have access to wild hogs, which is something a lot of guys never get the opportunity to hunt. However, if I were up north where there aren't any wild hogs? Then yes, I'd likely hunt one of the game farms. There are some that let the hogs to go wild long enough to make an interesting hunt.

And as far as baiting goes? Keep in mind that not everyone is physically capable of wandering miles thru the Florida jungle looking for a hog. Many of us have trouble walking a hundred feet. But old or broken, or both, we still like to hunt the best way we can. And since we can neither run, nor climb a tree, we have a tendency to practice a lot and shoot well too.

Zachary · « **Reply #76 on:** June 24, 2007, 05:03:49 PM »

I voted "maybe" and let me tell you why.

I just now got back from hog hunt on a friend's property in Okeechobee, FL. He has about 85 acres or so. There are no fences. Yes, there are cattle/barb-wire fences, but these are not high, and so open that hogs walk under them and thus roam all over the place. He also has some chickens and cattle, and feeds them. The hogs roam all over that part of the county, and try to eat some of the cattle's food. He told us that for the last couple of evenings, some hogs have come to the same area, so he invited us to go. In Texas, we have automatic game feeders that go off every morning and every afternoon. It's kinda like a dinner bell of sorts because once the feeders go off, the deer/hogs come running in. Well, here at my friend's place, there was no "dinner bell." We just waited the old fashion way to see when, or if, they could show up. Sure enough, the hogs came, although much later than he usually saw them. I would say that they came around 8:15pm. He said that these looked like a different group of hogs. There were about 8 to 10 hogs, and I would say that there were about 3 different sizes: Big, medium, and small. I let my dad shoot, and he shot a medium looking one at about 50 to 60 yards away. It turned out that this medium hog was a female that weight an estimated 150 pounds (which means the small ones must have been about 40 to 70 pounds - next time I'd rather shoot a small one.) Now, was it fun? Yes. Was it a true hunt? Yea, I'd say so. There was no guaranty that they would show up. It wasn't a trophy hog, but I don't care. We did it just for fun.

Now, would I hunt a "pen raised" hog? Remember, I voted maybe, and here is why I might shoot such a hog. I don't particularly mind shooting pen raised/fenced hogs IF and ONLY IF I do so without considering it to be a "hunt." And I say this because, rather than going to the store to buy pork, I'd rather shoot something that hasn't been injected with God knows what from the USDA, etc. In other words, if you shoot such a hog FOR FOOD and YOU DON'T BRAG about shooting such a hog, and if you ARE OPEN and HONEST about shooting that hog under those conditions, then I don't care. To put it another words, I consider such shooting to be one step (if that) above slaughtering. I'd rather shoot a pen raised hog than have it slaughtered. It's more fun shooting it with a gun than it is slitting its throat with a knife.

Again, I make a clear distinction between hunting and shooting. What I am saying is that if people want to shoot "ole Fred" then that's fine by me. HOWEVER, if people want to make such a BIG DEAL about it, and brag about it, and claim that they hunted it, then I find that silly.

Zachary

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #77 on:** June 25, 2007, 02:41:08 AM »

That was good ! ZAC.
did they say the boy hunted or shot the hog ?
if it only said he shot it ( what he said , not some other person or media ) then alot of folks might be a bit off base with regard to the boy ! this does not apply to the outfitter , he is another story !

nealglen37 · « **Reply #78 on:** June 27, 2007, 06:48:54 PM »

It all boils down to one word "Pride"

We all want to shoot the biggest buck............make the longest shot...................make the great touchdown run, have the fastest car. We want people to appriciate all our effort..........we don't like it when a guy lays 10,000 for a guide to pick out a buck for some hunter to shoot that sits in his stand about 10 minutes. We don't wan't to see the rich kid buy a custom 65 mustang.........when we worked years to restore one. We don't want to see the kid who is lazy and never works out, but scores all the touchdowns because he was born with speed.

The older ladies want you to appriciate their hours of work cooking in the kitchen at the localget together, and not run to the lady that bought a box of buffalo wings at the local resteraunt. grandma doesn't want to hear you like the wal-mart shirt, better that the one she made.

All this stuff is linked to pride..........we are really sore that this kid and is getting all the praise for all the work we know they didn't do. I want more praise than you guys get because i have taken all my animals off of public land.

We all need to work on uour inner self................our pride issues.......so what if the kid shots a big hog........goat......donkey............whatever.............just saying we need to be happy with ourselves, Hoever, one bad thing that has come from all this is that with each story like this the general public that knows nothing about hunting gets a more didstorted idea of why we do what we do. Pretty soon we are going to get to the point where "hunting" will be nothing more than doing a "drive by" on some hogs................lean it out the window and let it rip..........never have to take off your Tommy hilfigure shorts.

Actually.....................lets just all drink some more beer and forget the whole thing.

Sorry this post is so long...................I'm not going to check for typos

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #79 on:** June 28, 2007, 02:23:43 AM »

My beer mug is the biggest ! ha !
Neal , good post !

Dee · « **Reply #80 on:** June 28, 2007, 11:11:45 AM »

Is this thread beginning to remind everyone of the Energizer Bunny?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #81 on:** June 28, 2007, 03:39:13 PM »

shoot the pig and lets go on !

NONYA · « **Reply #82 on:** June 28, 2007, 07:14:05 PM »

reminds me of the Bermuda triangle,things just disappear without reason.

Graybeard · « **Reply #83 on:** June 29, 2007, 10:23:17 AM »

Not exactly sure what ya mean Cole but like me you can view the Trash Can and you'll see if you do nothing from this thread has been deleted in quite some time now. I did make the personal attacks and name calling go away some while back and brought this thread back after the Moderator had dumped it.

I do figure about all that's worth saying has been said on it for sure but have left it for folks to read if they wish to and of course it's still open for replies if anyone has any thing worth while to add.

Poll

Would you shoot a high fence 1,000 hog if you knew it was in the family pen less than one week ago?

Author Topic: Pen Raised Huge Hog--Shoot/Don't Shoot? (Read 5683 times)