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Offline stimpylu32

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Time for a color change
« on: June 16, 2007, 09:07:45 AM »
As most of you know , i have been a Lee fan for over 25 years ( till today ) , after toasting 3 ( YES 3 ) Lee presses in the last 24 hours its time to change color . Not sure what i am going with yet but by this time next week i'll have a pair of new presses in the reloading room .

The Lee turret press that i started with will go back to lee for a re-build and go on its own bench for my daughter to load only 38 spl with . I know that it will hold up for that . the little C press that i load test rounds will hang on the wall for S&Gs and the O press will get fixed for my buddy to start out with ( mostly 223s ) .

I'm thinking a Rock Crusher for the rifle rounds and a Dillon for the handgun stuff . what do you think ?

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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2007, 11:16:04 AM »
Why not get a new RCBS turret press?  Load both calibers with one press. :)

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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2007, 11:34:30 AM »
Sounds good to me,I got a rock chucker in 1980 and never regretted it.What were you sizing to toast 3 of them stimpy?Maybe its not the presses,you just maybe too strong for em  :D :D
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2007, 01:23:45 PM »
dw06

The C was set up for 223s and i had the 4 year old doing them , she likes the TINK sound when the spent primers come out . as for the O press i was sizing 22-250s and the turret was doing 243s , i think it just died of old age .  :o

All the cases were lubed well and none were sticking .  ???

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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2007, 01:35:58 PM »
It's not valid to compare any aluminum alloy press to any heavier iron press.  Compare the RCBS Partner press to any other alum press and you will find much the same difficulties.

Compare my old Rock Chucker to Lee's newest "Classic Cast" press (it's all steel and iron, and the primer catcher works too) and my RC will lose.  The better press is made in the USA instead of China and it's much less expensive too, if money means anything to you!    :)
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2007, 02:10:54 PM »
Back in the 60's I purchased a Lyman Turret press.  It has loaded a lot of ammo.  The other day I decided that I needed a second press and ordered the Lyman T-Mag II press.  I went with Lyman because it has been a good product.  Hopefully UPS will get it here on Monday.
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2007, 04:10:40 PM »
stimpylu32
I would go with the RCBS & Dillon. This is what my combo has been for years. Started with a RCBS Jr in the 60's ( and still being used by my son ), then moved up to the RCBS Rock Chucker for rifles and my Dillon 450 ( converted to a 550 now ) for my pistol reloading. You may pay a little extra when you purchase these presses, but they will last you a life time. I've never been a big fan of the Lee products. I look for a product that is well made, reliable, and made for a life time.
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2007, 05:27:02 PM »
  Since the RCBS press is now cast in China, but finish machined here, I wonder about the QC. I have not bought a NEW press in 10-15 years. I have the RCBS JR and a Lee classic style and an old Texan open front. they all get a turn at loading some thing for mr. I will admit the Lee is NOT as strong as the RCBS. I keep the moving parts lubed and cleanso I haven't had any problems YET. A fellow I hunt with claims Lee makes junk. When I was over his place watching him reload, I could tell where his ideas came from.There was a LOT of dust and spent primers in and on his press.! I asked him how often he removed the debris from the press. He replied that the stuff didn't hurt the reloads so why bother.!! There must have been several hundred primers in the plastic well and he just flicked them away with a finger when they got too high! The Rcbs is probably still the best for the $$ press. Forsters are way high dolllar.
  But at the price the Lee IS hard to beat. You can almost buy 2 for the price of a better press. The lee 4 hole turret is on sale at midway for 54.99 ,the Lyman T mag turret is only 124.99.

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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2007, 05:54:44 PM »
For rifle and low volume pistol reloading, I chose the Forster Co-Ax. When it comes right down to it, not that much more $ than an RC or top of the line Redding, but IMHO, a better designed, better built press than either one of them.

In a progressive, if I reloaded enough volume to justify it, I'd go with a Hornady LNL AP. On the other hand, who knows when that will happen, and who will have the best progressive press then.

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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2007, 05:59:04 PM »
Go Green, either light  or dark. If I ever get another it will be the Redding Big Boss....altho the Rockchucker looks like it will last until way after I'll ever need it!
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2007, 12:46:00 AM »
ive had a rock crusher and a lyman orange crusher and sold the rcbs because i like the lyman better why i dont know i like rcbs products better usually and there service dept is much better but that old lyman does the job and its just been around long enough that ive grown attached to it. As to a handgun press if all you are going to load is handguns the best bang for the buck by far is a square deal. I run 5 of them and love them. I have one 550 too and its a good press. Its easier to swap calibers on but much slower to load on. Prices are simular the square deal is cheaper in the start becaue its a hundred bucks cheaper and comes with a set of dies but when you start buying conversions the price gap closes guickly and with the 550 a guy can use the dies he allready has. If you have to buy handgun dies for the 550 the price savings will probably go back to the square deal. To me it isnt a money thing. I load on both and they both have there place. I need a 550 for production rifle rounds and for odd ball handgun stuff but if i load on a square deal for a couple days and go back to the 550 its like loading in mud. Keep in mind when i load handguns its usually in a batch of at least a 1000 and if you dont need the really big production youd be better served with a 550 as you can load anything on it and its still a heck of alot faster then any single stage or turent press.
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2007, 07:48:05 AM »
I have a Rockchucker II, very heavy press. I got mine because my aunt recommended it. She's had her's for years & never had any problems. Plus RCBS is supposed to have the best customer service.

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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2007, 08:38:10 AM »
Stimpy,

For the handgun I would most defiantly go with the Dillon, I have had mine for a long long time and have had zero problems out of it, I have a 550 and I have reloaded everything from 9mm to 30-06 on it. It will load rifle rounds, but they can be a little unsteady, the cases not the press. For a single stage, I still use my little Lee C press, but I am thinking about getting one of the cast iron Lee presses. Yes I have used the RCBS, it is a nice press, but for the money between it and the Lee, I am going to try the Lee.

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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2007, 08:45:03 AM »
I'm real happy with both of my Lee cast iron presses, the Classic Cast turret press is great if you load for lots of different cartridges, the inexpensive turrets ($9) can be all loaded with dies that are adjusted properly and all ready to pop into the press and start loading.  ;)

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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2007, 11:57:13 AM »
Stimpy, my advice would be for you to take your own advice and go green and blue.  It's what's been on my bench for more years than I care to think about and thousands of thousands of rounds.  Unlike yourself I don't figure to replace either of them in my lifetime and hopefully they will take care of my son ----and so-on.

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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2007, 02:47:55 PM »
I do not own a turret press. Not that I do not think they are not good enough. I just never got this feeling that I would have as much control. Call me crazy, but I use feel for sizing a neck, seating a bullet or doing a crimp. Of course I set the dies, but I want every stroke to feel the same. If some thing does not "feel" right I do a through inspection. I think I would loose that in a turret press. I have had a RCBS Rock Chucker for years. It is what I started with when I could not really afford it. :( I think it cost me some where in the $80 range brand new for the press alone. I bought a used scale and a used powder thrower, dies as I could afford them. It was my do all press. I de primed, primed, sized and seated bullets with it for every thing I loaded. I loaded for the 30-30, 44 Mag, 22 Hornet and 222 in those days. Of course now I have hand primers and other niceties. ;D I never did like the way it handled spent primers. I had to put on that stupid tray and the primers would still go all over the floor. :( A couple of years ago I bought a Lee press, the cheapest one. I use it for light duty stuff, mostly pushing out spent primers with a universal die. But some times use it for pulling bullets. I mounted it right beside the old press. I have a lot of confidence in the old Rock Chucker to size a case neck straight or seating bullets straight. The more I load the fussier I get and a turret press just does not trip my trigger so to speak. If I was to start over I think I would give the best cast iron press Lee makes a try, but of course it would not be the turret press the single for me please.
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2007, 03:31:21 AM »
LaOtto, you may be confusing a turret press with a progressive.  The turret is still single stage operation with the option to rotate the turret to the next station for the next operation if you so choose but you still retain that single stage "feel" as it only does one operation on one case at a time.  A progressive such as the Dillon 550 or 660takes care of multiple operations on multiple cases with a single stroke therefore changing the individual feel you mention.

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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2007, 01:07:51 AM »
with a little time you can get a real good feel for your loading on a 550. Ive loaded some of the most accurate .223 and .308 loads ive ever loaded on my 550. Personaly if i had to go back to loading all my ammo on a single stage press id have to quit shooting as it would be a 24 hour a day job just loading.
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2007, 07:33:00 AM »
I still use a RC Jr. from the early 70's, but also acquired a Rock ChuckerII years back. My only regret was that I didn't get it first. My recommendation for a progressive would be to get a 5 station press so you can use a powder lock out die. That would preclude the Dillon 550.

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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2007, 09:01:16 AM »
Old Syko - I did confuse them...another senior moment :-[

LaOtto, you may be confusing a turret press with a progressive.  The turret is still single stage operation with the option to rotate the turret to the next station for the next operation if you so choose but you still retain that single stage "feel" as it only does one operation on one case at a time.  A progressive such as the Dillon 550 or 660takes care of multiple operations on multiple cases with a single stroke therefore changing the individual feel you mention.
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2007, 11:07:03 AM »
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2007, 12:19:35 PM »
Stimpy....Can't use just paint them like the Handis? :)

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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2007, 01:10:27 PM »
Like I said above there is nothing wrong with any of the press styles mentioned. It all depends on what you want to do. If you are after loading up large quantities of ammo that will be loaded the same, then a PROGRESSIVE loader would be great. If you going to set your dies once and not change them at any time or not very often then a turret press is probably the ticket. I change loads, bullets, dies types (for the same cartridge) depending on what I am trying to do. I do not load up large quantities, I have mostly single shots, including my bolt action guns. I have a friend at work that uses nothing but hand dies in a arbor press. He neck sizes, and seats bullets with them. He is strong into bench rest shooting and 1000 yard stuff. That is going too far for me, but to each their own. Stimpy, I still think I would give the cast iron Lee presses a look. I do not think they look as sexy as some of the other presses (they could streamline the linkages) but I think they are just as strong and I always like value. If you decide the turret press fits your style, then by all means get it. I personally will probably never own a progressive press, because I do not shoot nearly enough to justify the cost, heck, I can't even justify the reloading stuff I got. :o I do not shoot 10,000 rounds a year, I shoot some where in the neighborhood of 1200 - 1500 rounds/year for all of my center fire stuff. I do shoot more than if I purchased all of my ammo. I just like to reload. I shoot to reload, not reload to shoot, so to speak. I like the thought of precision reloads, the gun is just a vessel to shoot them through. I still like my single press and fits my need. I also like "tinkering" with my guns. I think it goes hand in hand. I tinker with my loads. I am always looking for the Holey Grail of a literal 1 hole group. I know I will never reach it.  I am not that good and never will be. I am not sure if I got the message through how I feel about reloading, because it is a different experience for everyone. To some it is a chore, it is a way of saving money. That is the way I started, to save money. I soon found out that I was not saving money, I was shooting more. I then learned that I liked it. That was enough justification for me. If you only have a 30-06 and use it for your annual deer hunt, reloading is not for you. It would take many years, if ever, to pay back the cost of cartridges that you will shoot unless you buy one of those Lee hand loaders that you use a mallet on. I had one of those to start with...no thank you. I still use it to knock the primers out of military 223 cases. I doubt if you would be the type to get the benefit of that either, because you would not use it after the first time you used it. I know there some that use them and are happy, but I think they are in the minority. They will progress to better equipment or not use it because it too much bother.  If you are into competition shooting an AR -15 or 45 Auto, then a progressive press would pay for itself and more. To each their own, that is why I love this site and this country. :)
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2007, 01:50:19 PM »
I still have not made a choice as to what persses to get , i am leaning to the Dillon just for the fact that i go through so much ammo . today was a light day and i still shot up over 400 rounds between the rifles and handguns . 100 were 38 spl , 100 were 357 mag and another 100 45LC . On a normal weekend we will go through anywere from 800 to 1000 rounds .

In the winter when its cold , me and the kids will spend around 10 hours on saturday loading for summer shooting . so i have about 5000 rounds loaded just to start with .  :-\

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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2007, 04:02:29 PM »
I've got a Dillion 550 for my blamo ammo. Works great. And use a Redding T-7 for my serious ammo. That was the press used to load the latest worlds record of 4.2'' at 1000yds.(10 shot group) That's good enough for me-gypsyman
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2007, 06:29:26 PM »
You definitely have a different situation than I do Stimpy. It sounds like a Dillon is the way to go. I do not know how difficult they are to set up for each round, but if it isn't too difficult, I would give it some serious consideration. It is no wonder your local dealer gives you stuff for the PD shoot, you are a VERY good customer. ;D
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2007, 06:37:07 PM »
And use a Redding T-7 for my serious ammo. That was the press used to load the latest worlds record of 4.2'' at 1000yds.(10 shot group) That's good enough for me-gypsyman

Now that is impressive!!!! ;D That is what I've been talking about here, maybe it is time I get a new press too. ::) Since this is the hand loaders section I would be curious as to what dies and loading techniques you use, if you care to share.
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2007, 03:55:24 AM »
Stimpylu:

Please accept my condolences. It's been a good run for you with the Lee equipment.

My own presses are the Rock Chucker master kit from RCBS (for everything other than 45acp) and the Dillon 550 (just for 45acp because of volume). This has been good equipment for me and it gets used a lot. The RCBS has been with me for about 9 years and the Dillion has been with me for about 6 years.

The only changes I have made is that I added a micrometer powder adjuster to the RCBS powder measure for convenience. I also have rare tuning that is required with the Dillon, like adjusting a bolt to restore reliable primer feeding.

The only "problems" I have had have been using a defective custom Hornady die, which I needed to discard; periodic cleaning and adjustment of the Dillon-- so I need to know how it works. I've also had to replace a couple of minor wear parts on the Dillon, like plastic feeding collars. These are available free from Dillon. Occasional lube of both presses is necessary. Routine cleaning is necessary-- canned air and a toothbrush are all that's been necessary.  I also had some powder bind in the measure when using a short cut Hodgdon powder for my .270 Winchester. There was something about that powder that was unique in the way it would get stuck in the measure and I had to be careful in checking results. Other than that, I use the RCBS for a variety of cartridges from .221 fireball to .375H&H and it's just fine.
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2007, 09:14:46 AM »
If you have not bought your press yet, then check out the Lyman web site.  I just bought their best press for $65.  They have some cosmetic blems on sale.  I can not find a bad spot anywhere on the one I bought.  I am even thinking about buying another one, and I do not even need it.  IMO the press is comparable to the Rock Chucker.  It is heavier than the Rock Chucker.  I also believe the press is indestructible.  Tom.
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Re: Time for a color change
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2007, 04:26:47 PM »
Stimpylu:

I agree with your color change. If I was shooting 400 rounds a day, I would have a Dillon and be figuring how to motorize it.

But I don't shoot that much.

I still use Lee. I'm cheap.

What I found interesting is that if you bought one of the Lee simple presses 25 years ago.

Assume the price difference between Lee and the good stuff is $100.

So if you had saved the $100 difference at that time and the press lasted 25 years:
25 years of compound interest is $222 at 5%. Interest rates have been higher and lower - it's a good average.

That gives you a new RCBS or a whole bunch of new Lees. And after Lee repairs it, you still have the original.

Just having fun with numbers folks,

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