I use a Bull-PACs (Made in Montana? or Oregon?) frame and strap the new Mad Dog camo pack to it. The pack is large enough for a 3-day camp if you pack smart-teh frame allow the pack to be a little heavier. It has awesome, wide, thich shoulder and waist belt, and many tie-downs. I use this method on my back-pack Elk hunts. It allows me to strip the pack and tie teh meat to the frame and not get the pack bloody. The frams is teh best I've tried, by far. It is advertised in Bugle magazine, and it was in North American Hunter at one tiem. Do an I-net search--it'll come up. Good lick. I endorse it completely as the best there is. The Mad Dog pack has lots of room, removable orange banners, lots of pockets, and is waterproof. It is one fine pack. I got it from The NA Hunting Club.