Went to the range today to try some older federal bulk pack I had a new box of Winchester power points and I had 5 federal gold the cheaper stuff just enough to shoot a group. It was very windy out and not a good day to be shooting for groups so I am not sure if this ammo will do better or not. I was shooting at 50 yards with my romanian 69 all three brands hovered just over a inch at 50 yards measured with the caliper the largest measured 1 and 3/16 inch the rest were over a inch but under the 1 3/16. The Federal gold was the smallest following the Win and then the Federal bulk pack. So I guess all I shot today was average not bad, not great. but ok to shoot critters with. I am still waiting patiently for some Wolf to come in. Jim