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Offline jamaldog87

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45 long colt
« on: June 23, 2007, 06:29:15 AM »
why is it that there have not been any Concealed Carry Handguns in 45long colt? it's one of the better big bores and it's less likely to over petition your target.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2007, 07:21:50 AM »
My guess would be that there isn't a market for it. Most people that I know carry a small to medium sized frame semi-auto or a small framed revolver like a J frame. I don't think you could make a 45 LC in a small framed revolver.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2007, 11:45:24 AM »
yeah your right. It's a very good outdoor cal. and people cal. A 150 year cal. that still good to this day, Colt make good stuff.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2007, 02:22:50 PM »
One of the nicest carry guns I have ever encountered was in .45 Colt.
It was a S&W model 1917 with a shortened barrel, A .45 colt Cylinder,
some Thin Walnut grips and a Tyler aluminum finger grip added under the
trigger guard for a better grip. I have been working on a copy of it for a while
but in .455 Webley caliber.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2007, 02:47:18 PM »
How bout a S&W Mountain Gun in .45LC. It's "N" frame size.  I have heard several people profess to carry revolvers this size. Little big for me, but might be just right for you.
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Edit: Excellent penetration characteristics too!
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2007, 03:50:55 PM »
Quote from: Savage on June 23, 2007, 02:47:18 PM
How bout a S&W Mountain Gun in .45LC. It's "N" frame size.  I have heard several people profess to carry revolvers this size. Little big for me, but might be just right for you.
Savage
Edit: Excellent penetration characteristics too!
By "excellent" I assume you want a round to penetrate three men and a horse. That may be a slight exaggeration but the .45 Colt will punch through a lot of tissue and bone. I once had an S&W 1917 cut down to a round butt 3" snubby. It was pretty well beat before I got it and the cylinder sometimes failed to index properly but it sure seemed like a sweet idea. I believe S&W is currently making something like that. The Long Colt offers no advantage over the ACP, on the contrary, the .45 ACP offers a vast array of loads and some pretty cheap practice ammo as well.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2007, 04:51:38 PM »
Hello:

I'm from the Department for the Preservation of the Untouchable Reputation of the .45 Colt. We got a report that someone was disparaging the good name of the .45 Colt. Specifically, favorable comparison with an inferior round. (All other pistol rounds are inferior by default.) This is a Class B misdemeanor. If convicted, sentences range from shooting 50 .44 Magnum-level overpressure .45 Colt rounds in a row, to a berating by dozens of righteous .45 Colt fans that will inevitably descend upon this thread to correct the record.

Also: The current standard measurement is three men, a horse, and a wet telephone book.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2007, 05:02:18 AM »
I brought a 1917 home from the pawn shop a couple months ago, have run some 45 acp. and some 45 autorim thru it, and the cylinder has been opened up for 45 Long Colt, however havent had a chanch as yet, the barrel has been cut back to 3 in. as far as a handgun goes, I would not feel underguned if thats what I had at the time it was needed, after all we all carried revolver before they started marketing those black plactic handguns with those light rails, and survival packs hid somewhere in there ( Just a quick JUMBO moment) ha ha  JIM
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2007, 07:36:06 AM »
i used to have a 454ruger and the turkey loads i used to use were 45longs and i did kill one turkey with it. If there were a small 45long cot gun i would buy it because i have something that can kill things up to a black bear with low recoil.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2007, 01:05:04 AM »
Also: The current standard measurement is three men, a horse, and a wet telephone book.


Thank you :)! In an earlier post, someone had made the statement that the .45LC would not over penetrate. My penetration remark was intended to set the record straight. Thank you DWTim for doing that for me!
Just be sure and let the DPUR knows that I own two pistols in .45LC and would never compare it to lesser cartridges!
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2007, 05:34:54 AM »
Quote from: jhm on June 24, 2007, 05:02:18 AM
I brought a 1917 home from the pawn shop a couple months ago, have run some 45 acp. and some 45 autorim thru it, and the cylinder has been opened up for 45 Long Colt, however havent had a chanch as yet, the barrel has been cut back to 3 in. as far as a handgun goes, I would not feel underguned if thats what I had at the time it was needed, after all we all carried revolver before they started marketing those black plactic handguns with those light rails, and survival packs hid somewhere in there ( Just a quick JUMBO moment) ha ha  JIM
"and the cylinder has been opened up for 45 long Colt"? How would one correct the headspace? The rim of a .45 Colt is much thinner than the .45 Auto Rim or a .45 ACP with moon clips, I don't think it possible to use both cartridges in one cylinder by just cutting chambers deeper unless perhaps the Long Colt rounds were intended to headspace on the case mouth as a "handload only" proposition.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2007, 05:48:28 AM »
Quote from: jamaldog87 on June 23, 2007, 06:29:15 AM
why is it that there have not been any Concealed Carry Handguns in 45long colt?

You might just as easily ask why not any in 44 special/mag as well. Sure there's maybe a Charter Arms here and something else there but nothing in high quality from the major makers. The bottom line has got to be there is no market. If there were $$$ in the proposition, someone would do it.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2007, 06:36:31 AM »
yeah i know there no market but it still would be cool. The 45 long colt is more powerful then the 45acp but as for the 44 special I looked and i could not find loads mild or more powerful  for it that  were easy to find. But i easily found really powerful loads for the 45long colt at most gun stores.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2007, 10:56:01 AM »
I know Taurus made some 5 shot 2" guns, In Titanium, I think.  Didn't last long on the market.  Most folks think J-Frame when they think snub nose...If they are going to carry bigger guns, they do.  Usually with 4" of barrel, or more.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2007, 11:41:27 AM »
Considering the 45 Colt cartridge is effective enough without having to go to high pressures or high velocities, have you considered a single action clone??????  If you are considering personal defense it used to be that a man who went about with a Colt 45 stuck in his sash was considered to be 'well heeled' indeed.  Lightweight, medium frame, barrel length down to 4&5/8", slips very nicely into a inside the pants scabbard or just into your belt, rides close..............

If you are looking for a a field piece my preference is for the S&W N-Frame.  Just a thoought.  Mikey.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2007, 11:48:15 AM »
Didn't John Browning ansewer that ? in 1911 ?
if 6 is good then 8 has to be better ! right ?
and only an inch wide !
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2007, 01:25:28 PM »
CoyoteJoe yes I am aware of the thickness of the rim and the thickness of the half moon clips and the 45 autorim however the fireing pin extends far enough to make contact with a primed 45 long colt brass as that I have checked, and yes I have dies for the reloading process, and yes Im sure the old gun has been shot with them as I know the person who pawned it and lost it there to me.   JIM
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2007, 01:58:27 AM »
Quote from: EdK on June 25, 2007, 05:48:28 AM
Quote from: jamaldog87 on June 23, 2007, 06:29:15 AM
why is it that there have not been any Concealed Carry Handguns in 45long colt?

You might just as easily ask why not any in 44 special/mag as well. Sure there's maybe a Charter Arms here and something else there but nothing in high quality from the major makers. The bottom line has got to be there is no market. If there were $$$ in the proposition, someone would do it.
Actually there are a lot of such guns on the market currently. S&W, Taurus, and Charter Arms all make a carry size chambered in 44spl.
Savage
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2007, 06:41:20 AM »
Actually I did forget about the newer S&W snubbies in scandium complete with safety lock... :(

Lamenting the loss of the mod 696 and kicking myself for not getting one while they were readily available was probably clouding my memory at the time. I mentioned Charter Arms and alluded to Taurus. My one-and-only ever Taurus was a 431: good concept but a piece of junk. The hammer chopped a bigger notch out of the side plate every time I pulled the trigger. There was a huge amount of play in the hammer, left-right. I just didn't trust it.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2007, 10:36:06 PM »
Quote from: jamaldog87 on June 23, 2007, 06:29:15 AM
why is it that there have not been any Concealed Carry Handguns in 45long colt? it's one of the better big bores and it's less likely to over petition your target.

Back to the original question, the only thing I can think of now that would qualify as a concealed carry .45 Colt is the Bond Arms Derringers.
www.bondarms.com/ifirearms.htm
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2007, 02:42:03 AM »
I've been packing around the Ruger New Vaquero Montado in a Mernickle SA concealed carry holster for the last few months.  Conceals well under an untucked shirt, rides nice and best of all, it's a 45 Colt.  8)
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2007, 01:04:49 AM »
Is anyone is familiar with a show called Shooting USA on the Outdoor Channel? Occasionally, they have a guy named Bob Munden on to do some kind of trick shot or fast draw. A couple weeks ago, he hit a balloon attached to a steel popper with a Bond derringer in 45 LC from 80 yards. Impressive. I've seen him hit popper targets with a S&W J frame at 200 yards on previous shows. I believe he's best known for fast draw, and has been in the Guiness book before.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2007, 06:45:11 AM »
Unfortunately, if it weren't for John Taffin, I probably wouldn't recognize the name. This is probably why:

Quote from: http://www.bobmunden.com/records.htm
A Note From Bob About The Guinness Book of Records
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"In 1981, the year most shooting records disappeared from the Guinness Book, I called David Boehm of the Sterling Publishing Company and asked why. He told me that there is a committee that approves books to be used in school libraries across the nation. The committee informed Mr. Boehm that it would only approve the Guinness Book for continued use as a reference book in school libraries if gun records were removed. To protect the Guinness Book from a black list, that's what the publishing company felt it had to do. If you look at recent editions of the Guinness Book of World Records, you will notice that most gun records are no longer listed, including those set by Annie Oakley, Ed McGivern, Tom Frye and myself. It is a shame that a small group of people on that education committee, people who probably grew up in cities away from the shooting sports millions of Americans and citizens of many other nations appreciate and enjoy, can have the power to effectively erase history."
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2007, 02:00:14 AM »
don't know about ya'lls neck of the woods but around here the educational system is very left wing and gay ! and seem to want to turn society into their image ! Bob M. is correct ! SHAME !
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2007, 07:23:04 PM »
I'm really lucky. I teach in the southern Bible Belt where most of our schools are filled with Christian, conservative teachers and administrators. One hall in my school has had three seminary graduates (one doctorate) for years now. Every now and then a liberal sneaks in, but they don't seem to last long. Several teachers have permits, but naturally can't carry at school. So not all public schools are totally crappy -- yet.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2007, 09:06:51 AM »
when i was in school (2 years ago) it was just like a jail. You did anything and you were going to kid jail. fight, talking back to the staff, the list goes on also they would check us all the time for stuff and teacher used to curse us out, we got poof and we got in trouble, schools now are jails were kids work but learn nothing. If you are in school keep your head down, NEVER talk about anything with guns in it, and don't make waves.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2007, 11:18:13 AM »
Quote from: jamaldog87 on June 23, 2007, 06:29:15 AM
why is it that there have not been any Concealed Carry Handguns in 45long colt? it's one of the better big bores and it's less likely to over petition your target.

They do, it's called a Colts 1873 SAA Sheriff's model  ;)
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2007, 11:43:50 AM »
Where in the HAY you been BF ??
Have missed you fer a spell here. hope the work aint gettin you down.
Came up too Kentuck this summer but could't raise you before hand.
Blessings too ya pard.
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2007, 04:57:03 PM »
Howdy William!  Naw, life is pretty good around here with the exception of the youngest being back in Iraq.  Nanna and I have 3 new grand kids to play with and spoil and another on the way, the only daughter who thought she couldn't have any is now "poochie bellied".  I've pretty much retired from farming, I now work in the county's 911 center, and lovin' it.
I hate that I missed you this summer!!  I guess you'll just have to come back.  ;)
So as you can see, being the "Old Bull in the herd" this topic intrests me.
Lookin' forward to a good argument so feel free to pick a subject and choose a side.  ;D

Till next thread
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Re: 45 long colt
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2007, 06:28:24 AM »
I carry a 45 Colt in the colder weather a lot, single action 4 3/4 inch.  Ya, it's bigger than a lot of people like, but it's concealable.  I even have a IWB set up for it, as well as a pancake holster for OWB.   45 Colt is my favorite caliber, so why not carry a good old single action one in a while.  My main carry piece is a 1911 most of the time, but I really don't feel funny about the times I pack a single action around.   I bet there are a lot of people that do. 

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