Proposed rule changes on shipping blackpowder

[roundball]

Here's the official source...

1) Select OSHA
2) Select Proposed rules
Then click SUBMIT
When the page opens for Explosives...click the Adobe PDF icon a couple inches down from the top.

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main

Better get some spare cases on the way...family & relatives, friends, neighbors...

[Two Bears]

The rat ba$tards

I saw this twice today, So I am now going to pass the phone # to my elected officials to my friends and we will call them to show our opposition to this crap.

BTW - I am going to order a case of FFFG now just in case I can't find it later if this passes, I don't need it right now as I have just bought a case in December but what the heck I will just have to store it away for a rainy day 

[victorcharlie]

Maybe we should learn how to make it.  Anyone got a good recipe? 

[captchee]

here is the release from the NRA

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=3145


Quote:
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Proposed “Safety” Regulations Would Dry Up Ammunition Sales

Tuesday, July 03, 2007

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has proposed new rules that would have a dramatic effect on the storage and transportation of ammunition and handloading components such as primers or black and smokeless powder. The proposed rule indiscriminately treats ammunition, powder and primers as “explosives.” Among many other provisions, the proposed rule would:
Prohibit possession of firearms in commercial “facilities containing explosives”—an obvious problem for your local gun store.
Prohibit delivery drivers from leaving explosives unattended—which would make it impossible for delivery services such as UPS to deliver ammunition or gun powder.
Require evacuation of all “facilities containing explosives”—even your local Wal-Mart—during any electrical storm.
Prohibit smoking within 50 feet of “facilities containing explosives.”
It’s important to remember this is only a proposed rule right now, so there’s still time for concerned citizens to speak out before OSHA issues its final rule. The National Rifle Association, National Shooting Sports Foundation, and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Association will all be commenting on these proposed regulations, based on the severe effect these regulations (if finalized) would have on the availability of ammunition and reloading supplies to safe and responsible shooters.

The public comment period ends July 12. To file your own comment, or to learn more about the OSHA proposal, go to http://www.regulations.gov and search for Docket Number OSHA-2007-0032”; you can read OSHA’s proposal and learn how to submit comments electronically, or by fax or mail.

[forest2]

I personally have a problem with UPS delivering things "unattended".(aren't we supossed to sign to get stuff?) My local walmart does not nor have they ever sold black powder.(an explosive).
 easy boy's. you can post on 5 different threads your next new panic,,this topic shouldn't be one.

 If this bill passes, and we can no longer get bp! without all the more rules and regs, I will personaly share my recipie for BP, and bill will share his, and captchee will share his, and crow feather will make sure we all get the recipie right.

[Slamfire]

This ain't a bill, your elected officials don't give a hoot.Iit is a regulation being advanced by bureaucrats in OSHA designed to enhance employee safety. It classifies ALL firearm powders, black and smokless as explosives, and prohibits firearms in the same building with powders or fixed ammo. The NRA is opposed and will comment on it at the hearing. However, they'd like supporing statements from as many shooters as they can get. There is a procedure you must follow to get your statement in the record, and the deadline for comments is July 12, 2007. It will change the way ammo, and components will be sold, and it'll raise the price exponentially. It should not be poo pooed, but reacted to.

[Biff Mayhem]

Obama, Kennedy and Hillary Clinton are three Democrats with their nose in this. 

[forest2]

OK SlamFire, you said it best. I'll respond personally.
 but, i'll be damned if i'll hord like some advise. Some of these guy's did the same thing in 1999.,been there done that. Then complain and worry about lot#'s of powder and how best it works, cause alot a grief, then the price goes up,,,

,piffle,,

,,calm down,,

[jh45gun]

Some folks here and at the Round the Old Pot Bellied Stove board evidently think this is no big deal. Maybe it is maybe it is not. Considering that Obama and Hillary and Teddy on on the Committee bothers me I do not trust them and we know they are anti gun. A couple of things you can do you can email the Senators or call them that are on the sub committee I posted the list at the Pot Bellied Stove Board. You also can call your State DNR and tell them their Pittman - Robertson Funding  is about to dry up and Email Rush Limbaugh he has time to air this and if we could get him on our side on this it sure would not hurt.  rush@eibnet.com

[jh45gun]

Ok here is the Senator list and you can contact them easy by bringing up an other window on your computer at the NRA/ILA website or the GOA website and use that to find their phone numbers or email addresses. I called them today it took only about 15 min to call all of them.

SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS

Democrats by Rank

Patty Murray (WA)
Christopher Dodd (CT)
Tom Harkin (IA)
Barbra Mikulski (MD)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY)
Barack Obama (IL)
Sherrod Brown (OH)
Edward Kennedy (MA) (ex officio)

Republicans by Rank

Johnny Isakson (GA)
Richard Burr (NC)
Lisa Murkowski (AK)
Pat Roberts (KS)
Wayne Allard (CO)
Tom Coburn (OK)
Michael Enzi (WY) (ex officio)

[forest2]

what's a,  (ex offiicio) ?

i'm a real guy, do any of you think Clinton,Kennedy or Obama is gonna hear me vrs, a couple million worth of "let's raise the price on powder"? I'll contribute. With bill/nc and others stocking up on 100 pounds with family members as soon as they can get it?
 Gee, ya think the price'll go up?     

[jh45gun]

Not every one is going to stock up hell I cannot even afford an extra pound right now.  The thing is to let your voice be heard. That is how the immigration bill got defeated we can do the same with this. Not gonna cost you anything to send a few emails and if you have a cell plan like I do it won't cost you to call either.

[DWTim]

So what spurned this policy change? Was it analysis of a dramatic rise in fatalities and injuries caused by blackpowder explosions? Basically, we all need to know specifically what incidents caused this policy change, and it needs to be examined to determine whether or not it will have an effect on those specific incidents.

Or was it like fireworks bans, where banning ladyfingers, bottle-rockets and black cats resulted in fewer accidents, but didn't seem to effect the number of fatalities and grisly wounds from homemade (and overpowered) fireworks?

I don't recall any claims from the CDC, or any 24-hour news coverage of blackpowder explosions, but maybe I just need to go and review the Big Four newspapers for this year.

EDIT:

Searched on "black powder", "blackpowder", "black-powder" and "fireworks factory" for news in the last couple years.

+ Searched articles in Boston Globe, LA Times, NY Times and Wash. Po.; No articles about dangerous blackpowder factories
+ Nothing in the AP news feed about blackpowder factories, either
+ Nothing in Reuters
+ Nothing in the CDC news archives

India, China, Malta and Mexico have had accidents over the past 20 years, but I don't think OSHA operates in those places. The last accident I can find was almost ten years ago, at a fireworks plant in Michigan.

So, I remain ignorant of what influenced OSHA to address this.

[jh45gun]

So, I remain ignorant of what influenced OSHA to address this.

Well since the UN was mentioned  in the text and Teddy and Hillary and Obama are on the subcommittee it does not take too many guesses! 

On today's show, Rush discussed the proposed OSHA rules targeting ammo/primers/powder. He covered the main points in the NRA release and called it "backdoor" gun control.

Rush 24/7 members can get the audio at his website after he goes off the air today.

[DWTim]

I'm so glad that the Founders chose the word "infringed" instead of a list of known disarmament tactics.

Thanks for the heads-up on Rush 24/7. I am not able to listen at work, but I will listen tonight.

UPDATE: My mistake, audio is not available. Here is the transcript:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_070607/content/01125110.guest.html.guest.html

[jh45gun]

DWTim Thanks for the Transcript.

[jh45gun]

Rush's Transcript:

RUSH: "The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA)," this is from the NRA website, by the way, "has proposed new rules that would have a dramatic effect on the storage and transportation of ammunition and handloading components such as primers or black and smokeless powder. The proposed rule indiscriminately treats ammunition, powder and primers as 'explosives.' Among many other provisions, the proposed rule would: 'Prohibit possession of firearms in commercial 'facilities containing explosives' -- an obvious problem for your local gun store." (laughing) You couldn't possess guns in a gun store because they might be exploding. "Require evacuation of all 'facilities containing explosives' -- even your local Wal-Mart," because ammo is an explosive, "during any electrical storm."   So if you're in a Wal-Mart and there's an electrical storm, you've got to evacuate all facilities "containing explosives -- even your local Wal-Mart" -- during an electrical storm, which is a hoot, and it would "Prohibit smoking within 50 feet of 'facilities containing explosives.'"

Now, as the NRA website says, "It's important to remember this is only a proposed rule right now, so there's still time for concerned citizens to speak out before OSHA issues its final rule. The [NRA and other organizations] will all be commenting on these proposed regulations, based on the severe effect these regulations (if finalized) would have on the availability of ammunition and reloading supplies..."   So people who are aware this say, "You know, this looks like a backdoor trick.  The way to go after guns is to make sure that you can't buy ammo for them," and this is just a federal agency.  This is not legislation.  This is just safety regulations from the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, which would dry up ammunition sales. 

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: A friend of mine sent me a note about a story going on in Sandusky, Ohio. It's a big issue there.  A newspaper published all 2700 people in the community with a concealed carry permit.  This, of course, made the fur fly, and the gun people there, the pro-gun people there got information on the newspaper editor, where he lives, everything about him, and they published that in their publications, in Sandusky, Ohio -- and that's the way to fight this stuff!

You know, journalists give out people's privacy and so forth -- and these are not public people. These are just 2700 people with concealed carry permits.  These are not public people.  Some of them might be, I don't know, but most of them are just average citizens.  So here comes every bit of information on them, their names and so forth and so on, and you go tell the journalist, "How would you feel if everything about you was exposed?"

"Well, I'm just a journalist!  I just convey the news. I'm an innocent bystander."

"No, you're not."

They can't handle it. When they come under the same scrutiny that they scrutinize everybody else with, that does cause the fur to fly. 
 

[encore3006]

The word for this is "incrementalism". Goggle this word with the name Al Gore and see other examples. Little-by-little they will try to get whatever they want. I learned of this term when Al Gore was quoted as using it in an editorial that came from a Tennessee newspaper way back when Hillary's health care plan failed. He used this term as the way any change will be had in the future. 

[captchee]

Labor Department Announces It Will Revise Overreaching OSHA Explosives Rule

Monday, July 16, 2007


The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) announced it will significantly revise a recent proposal for new "explosives safety" regulations that caused serious concern among gun owners. OSHA had originally set out to update workplace safety regulations, but the proposed rules included restrictions that very few gun shops, sporting goods stores, shippers, or ammunition dealers could comply with.

Gun owners had filed a blizzard of negative comments urged by the NRA, and just a week ago, OSHA had already issued one extension for its public comment period at the request of the National Shooting Sports Foundation. After continued publicity through NRA alerts and the outdoor media, and after dozens of Members of Congress expressed concern about its impact, OSHA has wisely decided to go back to the drawing board.

Working with the NRA, Congressman Denny Rehberg (R-MT) planned to offer a floor amendment to the Labor-HHS appropriations bill this Wednesday when the House considers this legislation. His amendment would have prohibited federal funds from being used to enforce this OSHA regulation.

Such an amendment is no longer necessary since Kristine A. Iverson, the Labor Department's Assistant Secretary for Congressional and Intergovernmental Affairs, sent Rep. Rehberg a letter, dated July 16, stating that it "was never the intention of OSHA to block the sale, transportation, or storage of small arms ammunition, and OSHA is taking prompt action to revise" this proposed rule to clarify the purpose of the regulation.

Also, working with the NRA, Congressman Doug Lamborn (R-CO) gathered signatures from 25 House colleagues for a letter, dated July 11, expressing concerns about this proposed OSHA rule. The letter calling the proposal "an undue burden on a single industry where facts do not support the need outlined by this proposed rule" and "not feasible, making it realistically impossible for companies to comply with its tenets."

The OSHA proposal would have defined "explosives" to include "black powder, … small arms ammunition, small arms ammunition primers, [and] smokeless propellant," and treated these items the same as the most volatile high explosives.

Under the proposed rule, a workplace that contained even a handful of small arms cartridges, for any reason, would have been considered a "facility containing explosives" and therefore subject to many impractical restrictions. For example, no one could carry "firearms, ammunition, or similar articles in facilities containing explosives … except as required for work duties." Obviously, this rule would make it impossible to operate any kind of gun store, firing range, or gunsmith shop.

The public comment website for the proposed rule is no longer accessible. The Labor Department will publish a notice in the July 17 Federal Register announcing that a new rule proposal will soon be drafted for public comment. Needless to say, the NRA monitors proposed federal regulations to head off this kind of overreach, and will be alert for OSHA's next draft.

Read more about it at http://www.nraila.org/images/osha.pdf