Author Topic: Whats the deal with Trespassing? (Read 5704 times)

NONYA · « **Reply #60 on:** August 10, 2007, 09:20:40 AM »

Hey Lawful Larry, if you had read my posts i explained in detail that i WAS NOT talking about that situation,maybe you should know what in the world u r talkin bout before you tell people they have issues.If not wanting to shoot a person of any age over a simple theft is an issue its one Im glad to have,I made it perfectly clear that i only felt that way about theft,not a threat or person committing an assault,you should go back and read some more.

rockbilly · « **Reply #61 on:** August 11, 2007, 07:06:06 AM »

Lawful Larry. You say, "No life is worth any property, period." Is there a place where you draw the line, or is it your opinion that one should just give it up and let a thief walk? How would you deal with a carjacker? Do you bail out and let them have the vehicle? After all it is just property! Do you throw them a credit card as they are driving away to ensure they have a pleasant trip?

I am sorry, but I bust my butt to earn a living and I refuse to hand over what I have worked for to a thug that is either too lazy, or too sorry to work for his bread. Knowing that in certain cases the loss of property may cause undue hardships on my family, why should I roll over and let a thief walk away without suffering the consequences?

As I have said several times, I DO NOT ADVOCATE KILLING SOMEONE WHO IS RUNNING AWAY, but in a face to face situation where they fail to STOP, or obey my commands, then as I see it, they are fair game. Being victimized, or abused by another person may change your attitude as it has mine. I was once a little more liberal, but as I grow older, I refuse to be a victim to anyone, if within my power to prevent it.

And yes, I am a licensed concealed firearm carrier, and have been for near 50 years.

williamlayton · « **Reply #62 on:** August 12, 2007, 03:26:07 AM »

HUMMMMM.
I would say that I don't see anyone who has considered hisownself too be a BA.
What does being a BA have too do with the whole thought.
If someone steals what is the property of another I think it is legitimate to consider that is not a one time thing. I also consider it to be responsible too not allow him to get away and do it again.
Now, if this person finds that all he has too do is make a getaway, I am shrieking my responsibility to you folks and saying I am do not care if he/she goes too your place, I am shed of this person.
Police do not catch thieves, and do not do a lot of work on a burglary other than to get evidence that they may use IF this this guy is ever caught.
I have two weapons and some other stuff out there floating around, somewhere.
I have never had anyone contact me saying they had any of this stuff and wanted too return it.
Some of this stuff had some very special place in my heart.
Some one has bought both guns--one from a hock shop.
The police do not have the manpower too see too every need and/or prosecute every felony.
Where am I left

Now I have been carrying everyday for a period longer than the law allowed.
I have never had a reason to produce/brandish a weapon.
A former DA in Houston apologized for opposing a right to carry law---said he was wrong--it did not produce the chaos he would have considered.
A lady, who is a legislator, regrets that she had left her weapon in the car after a number of people were shot--including her family--and is a big proponent of carrying a firearm.
Folks, we are our first line of defense---the police know where the paperwork is to report a crime.
A thief WILL steal again and again and again---it may be your stuff that is important too you that he steals from---Stop the SOB from doing it.
Blessings

NONYA · « **Reply #63 on:** August 12, 2007, 10:22:34 AM »

In my state if you shoot a criminal of any sort that is not posing a direct bodily threat you will be going to jail for murder or attempted murder,probably that way in most states.

rockbilly · « **Reply #64 on:** August 12, 2007, 05:29:13 PM »

NONYA, Evidently you can't see the forest for the trees, go back and read my post on the law of your Great State. The use of deadly force is authorized to protect property. If you don't believe what I have written, then I suggest you contact your State Attorney Generals Office as I did. I am sure they will educate you on the laws of your state.

And to set the record straight, currently 27 states have a law similar to that in Texas where an individual is fully authorized to take any action necessary to protect their property. I know of several; cases here in Texas, as well as one in Florida where a thief was shot and killed in the commission of a crime, in neither case was the shooter prosecuted. In Texas, as well as several other states, an individual has the authority to make a citizens arrest, in doing so, they can do what ever is necessary to detain the individual, if the individual refuses to cooperate and turns on the citizen, then the citizen has the right to protect themselves, even to the point of using deadly force.

From your post, I interpret that you have lead a very sheltered life, possibly in a small town or rural area. With exposure to the outside world your attitude would likely change. Come and spend a few weeks with me on the mean streets of Dallas/Ft. Worth, or perhaps GB will invite you to spend some time in Montgomery, or Atlanta, I am sure you will walk away with a different point of view.

NONYA · « **Reply #65 on:** August 12, 2007, 06:21:55 PM »

So why is the guy from MISSOULA MT in prison for life after shooting a thief that was stealing his car stereo?I lived in Vegas for 4 years,you dont know anything about street crime that I havnt seen first hand.

Lawful Larry · « **Reply #66 on:** August 13, 2007, 02:02:39 AM »

Quote from: rockbilly on August 11, 2007, 07:06:06 AM

Lawful Larry. You say, "No life is worth any property, period." Is there a place where you draw the line, or is it your opinion that one should just give it up and let a thief walk? How would you deal with a carjacker?

I guess you don't understand the difference between a simple theft and an aggrevated assault. When you do come back and we can talk about this subject. If someone tried to carjack me they would get shot.

Nonya I still can't understand why any forum moderator would let you keep posting. You are one negative little man. Even when people show you the facts, you still keep up with the BS. I can only shake my head in wonder as to how you manage to get through life with that attitude.

Have a good day, if that is possible.

rockbilly · « **Reply #67 on:** August 13, 2007, 08:01:19 AM »

Lawful Larry. At least we see eye to eye on one point, I don't think I need to elaborate on that.

Evidently we have missed a point someplace in our discussion. I never said you go look for the guy that stole from you and do him in, what I am referring to is stopping a thief in the act of committing a crime. I am still of the opinion that if you catch him red handed, and he fails to stop, conform to your demands, or turns on you, then he is fair game. I would not be in favor of shooting someone who is running away, or who conforms and permits themselves to be detained until LEO arrives.

NONYA · « **Reply #68 on:** August 13, 2007, 08:13:09 AM »

Sooooo Sorry im negative about shooting people that arnt threatening my life,MY BAD!I dont know why the moderators lets you guys post material condoning illegal activity like shooting people who do not pose a bodily threat...

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #69 on:** August 13, 2007, 08:26:16 AM »

We are a blood thirsty group aren't we ! Why have laws if we intend to over ride them anytime we see fit ? If you fear for your life , pull out all the stops ! if you are stopping a rape go for it ! If you feel the need to kill some kid for stealing the radio out of your pick up , get help you need it !

williamlayton · « **Reply #70 on:** August 14, 2007, 12:34:28 AM »

I don't see it as a "need" to shoot.
Laws only provide paperwork to report---they never prevent.
A thief stealing a car radio is a thief as much as a person burglarizing a home. Both present a threat.
The threat that someone will do something if he/she desires without any fear of retribution is protected by the law---a law which someone said would prevent the theft.
It is without thinking that would say "let the law prosecute." The law enforcement of today, as well as of the past has the inability to find and prosecute most of these folks.
It is true that most are caught doing something else to someone else but hardly ever prosecuted for all. They may be given a jail sentence or short stay---measured in months--in a prison. They will be on the streets again---having learned more about their chosen profession and how to conduct it---and they will do it again because they do not fear the law.
I don't care if they do not fear the law. They should have too fear the citizen though.
Blessings

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #71 on:** August 14, 2007, 02:17:19 AM »

Like i said why live in a society if you think you are above it ?

jhm · « **Reply #72 on:** August 14, 2007, 03:32:29 AM »

1/2 the people in our county have weapons, the other 1/2 have backhoes, END OF PROBLEM, LOL, at least we know who and why some CONDONE a thief. JIM

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #73 on:** August 14, 2007, 03:42:37 AM »

hey don't plant um , they may sprout up and more will come ! put um behind bars and watch them wilt !

williamlayton · « **Reply #74 on:** August 16, 2007, 02:23:37 AM »

The concern with the last two statements are the facts.
We live in a society with all others who live in a society. None is above but some choose not to live according to society rules--so--who is living above society??
Putting them behind bars is good. It is also schooling, in most cases. The penalty does not rectify the problems--does it?
A citizen should have the right too protect his/her property---should they not?
A person should not have the right too be protected from a person protecting his/her property--IMO.
If a person is intent on taking property--and will continue too do so--what is the conclusion?
Most do not wilt in prison--trust me on this.
Blessings

alsaqr · « **Reply #75 on:** August 16, 2007, 02:36:16 AM »

"hey don't plant um , they may sprout up and more will come ! put um behind bars and watch them wilt !"

No, they will not wilt in prison. Most will not go to prison at all: They will get a pass. In prison they will work out in the gym and pump themselves up so they can hurt their next victim much worse.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #76 on:** August 16, 2007, 06:28:21 AM »

I'm sorry gentlemen !
You must have assumed at some point letting them out would be an option , NOT AT ALL !
I also have no problem getting laws changed ( some states are doing so ) which will allow the use of force to combat crime with out the fear of retribution !
I just hate to see good folks in jail ! And as i have worked as a contractor in prisons and jails don't worry i know they are nothing but school for crime !

rockbilly · « **Reply #77 on:** August 16, 2007, 11:47:54 AM »

As I see it, the root cause of the problem we have with a large segment of society is no one is willing to hold them accountable for their crimes, and those that commit the crimes use the excuse that society caused them to act in unsociable manner. And of course there are those bleeding hearts that thinks we should "turn the other cheek."

Until we have a universal thought process that I worked for mine, and I an entitled to it, you did not work for yours, so you are not entitled to take mine, the problem will continue. I am sorry that little Johnny didn't get enough oatmeal cookies while growing up, but that does not give him the right to be anti-social and take what belongs to others. There is a big difference between the kid that steals an apple off your tree and the one that cleans out your house or tool shed. There is also a difference between the person that steals because he, or his family is hungry, or the one that steal out of greed or to obtain money for support of a habit. (drugs, drinking, etc.)

I am, by nature, a very generous person. I have attempted to help all that I find in true need of assistance, but I have a rapid turn of heart if you steal from me. As a kid I was taught that stealing was wrong, my Father would have beat me to death if he ever caught me doing it, as a kid, I won't say I never took anything that didn't belong to me, but as an adult i respect what is yours, and will do everything within my power to prevent someone from taking it, I can only pray that you will afford me the same courtesy. How I deal with someone caught in the act depends on how they react to being caught, and how much resistance they offer. At my age, I would not attempt to restrain someone physically, so therefore I do pack a weapon, and see no problem in meeting resistance with deadly force.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #78 on:** August 17, 2007, 02:08:58 AM »

rockbilly , i figure if i see something someone lost , the only thing i know is it does not belong to me ! so as you see i have the same teachings you seem to have gotten ! those beatings are now not allowed much anymore , i can tell you first hand they work !
turn the cheek , i had a sunday school teacher who had a good take on that one , if some one hits your cheek and you turn it away , and he goes for the other cheek ! its time for him to inherit his piece of the earth !

30-06man · « **Reply #79 on:** October 09, 2007, 01:55:32 PM »

i run every day on my regular route and on one day this summer about the time this topic was posted i was out running and some people illegals immigrants passing through took some shots at me with a 22mag and i called the cops didn't anyone come.. another hour called again no one again. called again they are on the way. found some crushed casings that's it. i told the county i wasn't happy with the response time. 200 cops and it took that long. i looked at him and said i have a concealed permit and now i am carrying smith and carrying 357mag with me and if some one shoots i told him i will shoot back with force

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #80 on:** October 10, 2007, 01:47:00 AM »

with regard to crime cops respond after the fact , their preventive effort is mostly spent on projects that produce income such as radar , checking parking meters and inspection decals . There was a big increase in illegal drug work when it was approved for them to keep much of the booty such as cash , vehicles and property . I don't blame the cop , its just another way for govt. to tax without a vote on it !

30-06man · « **Reply #81 on:** October 10, 2007, 10:20:43 AM »

no see the cop that came got the call and then he didn't come he got the call again. then i found out through a friend at the police dept. that the cop was busying doing the funeral thing and then the cop went and sat at the funeral for some reason that no body knows. he just didn't care.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #82 on:** October 12, 2007, 03:25:37 AM »

he was safer at the funeral than on a crime scene ? Don't you realize if the bad guy is still around someone could get hurt !

Michael H · « **Reply #83 on:** October 21, 2007, 09:24:01 PM »

I removed my comments

sdb777 · « **Reply #84 on:** October 22, 2007, 01:38:02 AM »

Copper wire isn't worth taking a life....but the dog! My dog is my good kid, and she'd be protected, or avenged!

Scott (install claymores

) B

jimster · « **Reply #85 on:** October 22, 2007, 02:46:45 PM »

Michigan also strengthened the self defense laws, if it's ruled self defense, no civil court. The last several shootings in my area were ruled self defense, some were outside a home, some were in, and one I know of the good guy chased the bad guy and shot him in the butt. Bad guy had a gun. He lived. He's in jail. In this State you can stop a felony in progress also. You now also do not have to retreat, you can stand your ground. I think the strengthened self defense laws help LEO's as well as the citizens, so it's a good thing for us, and is turning out to be a bad thing for the bad guys. The numbers of women carrying here have went way up as well. All States have different things going on, and the laws change or get tweaked pretty often, so you have to keep reading up on it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #86 on:** October 23, 2007, 01:37:18 AM »

when someone crosses the line to criminal acts he seals his own fate . no we should not shoot someone for stealing copper wire . but also we should be able to confront them and stop them , and if they resist or fight they bring on the attack . but no shooting out the window at some one stealing a roll of wire out of your truck is a stretch .

williamlayton · « **Reply #87 on:** October 25, 2007, 05:31:33 AM »

I disagree.
Now, in Texas, I can protect my property with deadly force---it saves on the police too have too waste time trying too find a thief that is probably not an amateur at his chosen means of self-support too begin with.
My property is MINE and if one wants it too the point of stealing it he/she is asking for someone too stop them. I will and I won't care whose mamma's son the thief is.
I will do it too prevent.
This has been the law in This state forever and the castle law backs up the intent of the state by not allowing a further corruption of justice by someone filing a law suit against anyone following the law.
What I am wondering about you folks that would hold the life of a thief in such high regards is, do you hold your fellow law abiding citizens in such disregard as too judge them for following the law?
Morals are certainly not the answer--I find nothing morally wrong with burying a thief--it saves money.
Blessings

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #88 on:** October 25, 2007, 06:00:15 AM »

To each his own but one has to admit that to have such a post in such opposition to the teachings of the Bible with regard to killing it seems odd to end with blessings !

rockbilly · « **Reply #89 on:** October 25, 2007, 07:19:56 AM »

Does the Bible not say, an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth?" I interpret that to mean that if you poke me in the eye with a sharp stick, I should poke you back.