Author Topic: Woods carry gun (Read 9916 times)

blhof · « **Reply #60 on:** August 15, 2007, 04:56:18 AM »

Shooting underwater is definitely a very short range project as the bullet is severly slowed by the dense water. Many forensic labs are using water chambers to test fire confiscated weapons and with a proper angle of entry the bullet is stopped in 3 to 5 ft with minimal distortion. These chambers are usually rated up to 44 mag or 50 AE. Rifles are a different matter as the higher pressures and initial velocity causes severe deformity of the bullet; even when the weapon is completely submerged. The rifle is usually damaged by firing submerged also due to the much higher operating pressure and water resistance.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #61 on:** August 15, 2007, 08:13:43 AM »

Shooting underwater is "almost" (not quite....but close) to shooting with a barrel obstruction. I have seen this "testing" done (on TV) and the bullet has traveled about 15 feet, but the barrel (this was a 45acp round) in each case was buldged because of the pressure. These rounds were fired from a 1911. On Guns & Ammo TV in fact.

Dave

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #62 on:** August 15, 2007, 10:18:01 AM »

Yep ! the bbl of weapons other than Glocks don't work as well ! Then Glocks don't shoot lead well ! no one does it all !
Now I have to ask , if a bear or attacker had ya down in a pond , creek , river or other water and was getting the best of ya , you could point the gun at it but not above water , is there anyone reading this that would hesitate to pull the trigger ?

Camel 23 · « **Reply #63 on:** August 15, 2007, 05:09:17 PM »

Ya, I had this happen to me last week! I politely asked the bear to leave me alone or I would get mad at him. He agreed and left me alone after that. I think he went to poop in the woods, bears actually do that you know.

If you are attacked by a bear in the water you are screwed whether you ruin your gun in the process or not.

When ever they do something really stupid on TV they have a caption the says: "Don't try this at home." Most people are smart enough not to try the stupid stunt anyway but they still put the caption there. I'm pretty sure most guns will fire under water and I'm pretty sure nothing good is going to happen by doing it. Is firing a Glock under water going to stop a bear attack? Probably not. Is this situation ever going to happen to any of us? Probably not. Will some kid read this post and say hey, lets go see if dad's new gun can fire underwater? Probably not, but it is more likely than being attacked by a bear while underwater.

Quote from: SHOOTALL on August 15, 2007, 10:18:01 AM

Yep ! the bbl of weapons other than Glocks don't work as well ! Then Glocks don't shoot lead well ! no one does it all !
Now I have to ask , if a bear or attacker had ya down in a pond , creek , river or other water and was getting the best of ya , you could point the gun at it but not above water , is there anyone reading this that would hesitate to pull the trigger ?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #64 on:** August 16, 2007, 01:36:57 AM »

CAMEL23 so you would just give up ? your choice !
I hope you see the obvious water will not hurt Glock as it does many hand guns !
One other thing , if as you claim shooting hand guns under water for protection ( Glocks or otherwise ) probably won't work , then why are they being carried and used by divers ? If you have an interest check out some of the weapons used by the Navy Seals , very educational !
I hope you don't take this as an attack on you , I felt the same as you do until I read the articles and saw it done on TV , It was also part of a class i took on Glock hand guns !
As far as the bear and water thing , alot of guns have been produced for fishermen to tote in bear country , so it might not be as far fetched as it seems !

pathfinder · « **Reply #65 on:** August 16, 2007, 02:34:52 AM »

maybe we need a new thread... Underwater carry gun... or best caliber for sharks...

Lawful Larry · « **Reply #66 on:** August 16, 2007, 04:08:41 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on August 15, 2007, 03:53:25 AM

air between the bullet and the water is the problem ,

No air compresses, water does not! That is why the barrel will bulge. Something has to give!

And anyway, where did the air come from if the gun is underwater???

Davemuzz · « **Reply #67 on:** August 16, 2007, 05:35:54 AM »

And anyway, where did the air come from if the gun is underwater???

That's a good question. I don't think it came from the bear pooping in the woods thing. But I've been wrong before. You know, that one time back in 1974.

Dave

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #68 on:** August 16, 2007, 06:10:59 AM »

The air that may or may not be in front of the bullet could have been trapped there upon entering the water !
The air behind the bullet would be what is in the case to start with which is the same as if the shot were on dry land !
the reason that was given for the Glock bbl not bulging was the type rifling used , who knows but interesting to say the least !
The first time a bear starts to get the best of me in the water and i happen to have my Glock with me , i will be sure to post the result ( yes i realize i am optimistic , but then Glocks build that type of comfidence )
Maybe Glock will send me a hat or t-shirt for that one ! HA HA HA !

jcn59 · « **Reply #69 on:** August 16, 2007, 07:21:03 AM »

I've heard that when the world is invaded by alien terrorists, that we will have to use kryptonite bullets to defeat them, unless we shoot them underwater. What say you people knowledgeable about these things?

Camel 23 · « **Reply #70 on:** August 16, 2007, 07:51:26 AM »

Unless the Aliens own Glocks they will all die from bear attacks while fishing. (I think) What would we humans do without them?

Davemuzz · « **Reply #71 on:** August 16, 2007, 05:33:15 PM »

What would we humans do without them?

Without the Aliens? the Glocks? or the Bears?....or the Krptonithe bullets?

And......are we back on the subject yet?

Dave

Cheesehead · « **Reply #72 on:** August 16, 2007, 05:37:44 PM »

Lets get back to the cows in Wisconsin.

Cheese

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #73 on:** August 17, 2007, 01:59:23 AM »

Do ya'll up there shoot cows with a Glock under water ? how do ya get the cows under water ? mine float !
I can't believe no one said anything about silver bullets and vampires !
But all fun aside , a 10mm. Glock might make a nice light , powerful carry gun in the woods !
good times to all , i want to go start a thread on silver bullets , can they be silver jacket or must they be solid silver ?
and are they safe in a Glock !and will they work in the woods , in a woods gun !

Lawful Larry · « **Reply #74 on:** August 17, 2007, 10:35:11 AM »

Silver bullets are too expensive!!!

I whittle wooden stakes down to wooden bullets. Much more cheaper.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #75 on:** August 17, 2007, 10:37:48 AM »

silver maple right !

Chris Potts · « **Reply #76 on:** August 17, 2007, 04:43:06 PM »

Glocks wont shoot silver bullets because of the rifling. I think that you are leaving yourself woefully unprepared for vampire attacks when under water.

dougk · « **Reply #77 on:** August 17, 2007, 04:46:35 PM »

Has this thread been hijacked?

Graybeard · « **Reply #78 on:** August 17, 2007, 05:21:51 PM »

I think like so many it's run it's full course and is now taking that automatic 90 degree turn they usually do when discussion of the topic has ended but the thread refuses to die.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #79 on:** August 17, 2007, 05:32:32 PM »

You are right Bill, it has gone kinda sideways for sometime.

Cheese

Mikey · « **Reply #80 on:** August 18, 2007, 02:08:08 AM »

OK, I'm almost laughing too hard to end this. This is almost as bad as the thread about giant rabbits on NONYAs forum (I understand that in Montana they saddle them and use them for transportation).

OK, minus the aliens, cows, vampires, silver bullets and underwater shooting, and yes, kryptonite bullets, have we yet figured out what he's going to carry in the woods?

?? Mikey.

BTW - the aliens never attacked cows in Wisconsin - that was just hillary klinton tryin' to eliminate the competition......... And vampires don't attack under water on accounta they can drown, or be shot by silver boolets or silver maple boolets or any kind of wood.

So, no matter the caliber just carry a couple of hollerpoints filled with sawdust and that should take care of vampires, underwater attack cows and aliens.

Sorry, hadda do it. Mikey.

Lawful Larry · « **Reply #81 on:** August 18, 2007, 02:09:56 AM »

Ah Bill ya know what happens when idle minds are at work.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #82 on:** August 18, 2007, 06:31:44 AM »

I will admit, this type of highjack is way more interesting than the "attack mode" type. And no one has addressed the bear pooping in the woods thing. Maybe it's silver poop. I don't know. In fact, I don't want to know.

Dave

Dave in WV · « **Reply #83 on:** August 18, 2007, 09:11:17 AM »

If your dad is going to shoot double action a S&W 629 Power Port is a good choice. If single action is the only shooting he'll do a Ruger Blackhawk .41 is a nice woods carry gun.

paul105 · « **Reply #84 on:** August 18, 2007, 01:33:56 PM »

I carry everyday, all day long (in fact, I’m wearing my gun as I type this). I’m in and out of the truck multiple times. In the winter, I wear multiple layers of clothing -- in the summer, just a short sleeve cotton shirt. Spring and fall could be any combination. I’m out in the woods with the dogs, hiking, hunting, fishing or just plain woods bumming almost everyday, year around. I don’t do well with a lot of weight on my hips and shoulder holsters don’t work well for me for everyday carry.

My go to gun for everyday carry is a Smith & Wesson 329 PD (perfect power to weight ratio for me). In fact, I like this gun so much that I have two of them, in case one needs repairs. They are both equipped with Smith & Wesson Hogue 500 grips (the factory wood/rubber grips will bring tears to your eyes with magnum loads). I shoot these guns 5 or six times a week. Since getting the 2nd one in late Dec of 2006 (when I starting keeping track), I’ve put 3,800 rounds thru them. These loads have been 17.5 to 20 gr of 2400 under 240 to 260gr cast/jacketed bullets. My carry load is a 250gr WFNGC that actually chronos a hair over 1,300 fps (Remington Factory 240gr JHPs clock right at 1,250 fps).

My perception is that muzzle flip is greater with heavier/longer barreled guns, even though the 329PDs recoil is faster than heavier guns. I’ve shot 325gr Beartooth LFNGC at a chronoed 1,050 fps in the 329 – your wrist won’t like it, but the barrel isn’t going to hit you in the head. As mentioned above, you aren’t going to be aware of recoil in any situation where you are pumped up with adrenalin.

This gun will take a little getting used to, but so will any other .44 Mag. Judicious load selection early on will go a long way towards taming the beast.

FWIW,

Paul

Davemuzz · « **Reply #85 on:** August 19, 2007, 01:36:14 PM »

Judicious load selection early on will go a long way towards taming the beast.

Yup and Yup.

Dave

canon6 · « **Reply #86 on:** August 19, 2007, 03:08:37 PM »

Here is my woods carry gun S&W 629 PC Carycomp 44 mag, Doug

mogwai · « **Reply #87 on:** September 07, 2007, 06:50:16 AM »

Quote from: Cheesehead on August 14, 2007, 11:33:40 AM

There may be legal issues in Wisconsin if you carry a center fire hand gun with a barrel less than 5.5 inches during big game season. Just something to think about.

Cheese

Isn't that measured from the back end of the cylinder?

jcn59 · « **Reply #88 on:** September 07, 2007, 06:54:02 AM »

yup. It's 4" for small game hunting, measured same way.

S.B. · « **Reply #89 on:** January 11, 2008, 05:02:30 PM »

Quote from: Davemuzz on August 14, 2007, 07:30:02 AM

If your going to "carry it" more than your going to "shoot it"

I still go back to my 357 scandium\titanium carry piece. I load full boat 357 loads for this gun. Now, granted it's a 357 and not a 44 mag, but I carry it more than I shoot it. But when I do carry it, which is quite often because it's so comfortable, I don't really notice it....but I always know it's there in case I need it. It's not like carrying my 4" 629 PITA Smith. Don't get me wrong, I love to shoot my Smith 629....I just hate to carry it all day long.

Dave

I agree the recoil is probably equal, but the of power factor of the .44 far out weighs that of the .357 mag. let alone the mental gratification and the comfort level of the .44?