Author Topic: 1894c for home defense? (Read 3527 times)

1894cfan · « **on:** July 08, 2007, 11:32:10 AM »

Loaded with .38SPL +Ps? Good idea or should I rely on my 3" barreled Ruger Speed 6? TIA

Graybeard · « **Reply #1 on:** July 08, 2007, 12:24:41 PM »

Inside a house any long gun can be a bit of a problem. Now if you were having to defend against attackers who are still outside it would be superior but moving around in a house with a long gun and trying to fire and operate the action seems very cumbersome to me.

While I've never yet had to use a gun in my home for self defense against an intruder I personally think a handgun with both laser and night sights is what I want when/if the time comes. When I hear a bump in the night that "might" be an intruder it's a handgun I reach for every time. BUT I do have a loaded shotgun and lever rifle both handy near the bed.

1894cfan · « **Reply #2 on:** July 08, 2007, 03:06:02 PM »

Thanks, Greybeard, I've pretty much got what you have except for the shotgun. At least 38 +P's out of the 1894c is better than using 110JHP's out of a .30 Carbine.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #3 on:** July 08, 2007, 11:51:41 PM »

Dont know if i totaly agree with Bill. I have both by my bed a 1911 and an ar15. Ive never need to use either but the way ive practiced is that if an intruder is allreay to the bedroom i instantly will grab the kimber but if i have to get up and move out of the bedroom and have time to put pants on the kimber is tucked into the pants and the ar is grabbed. If i have to leave the room and cant put on pants the ar is grabbed. I load the ar with explosive light bullets to cut down on over penetrations but my thoughts are that it is alot more intimidating to stare at a rifle then it is a handgun and if im leaving the bedroom i may have to leave the house and once outside i want a rifle. Im a handgun man through and through but still believe that like whats been said a handgun is a self defense weapon that is used to fight your way to a rifle. A marlin loaded with 125 hps 357s would make a fine house gun. All that being said if a guy absoultley knows he wont be walking out the front door a pump shotgun loaded with small buck is hard to beat. One more thing ill say here is some people have the attitude that it cant happen to them. Dont be fooled or caught off guard. Ive got a buddy who was killed by an escaped prissoner here. He had a handgun in his bedroom but never loaded it because he had children. An unloaded gun is no better then a hammer. You will never get it loaded fast enough under stress. Even if you have to load it every night when you go to bed and unload it in the morning. KEEP IT LOADED for when you need it. I never had a problem with my children. They were educatated when very young about guns and allways have shot them so they knew to keep there hands off of them. Even at ages as young as 8 years old they knew how to check my weapons safely to see if they were loaded and knew they probably were and to this day when they pick up a gun they check the chamber. There probably better at it then me. My best freind takes this to another extreem. He has probably a 100 guns in his house and each and every one of them is loaded. He figures that keeping them all loaded accomplishes two things. FIrst if he is threatened he doesnt have to think about which gun is loaded and any gun he grabs in the house is ready and it also has made him realize over the years and his daughter and wife to that any gun they grab is loaded and should be treated as such.

Keith L · « **Reply #4 on:** July 09, 2007, 03:59:48 AM »

Better check local law before following advice on guns in the home. In my location loaded weapons accessible to children could land you in the klink by themselves. My defense gun is in a locked gun safe in my safe room. Also, to take a weapon out of one area to look for an intruder will negate the defense motive for the shooting. Know the law and work to your best advantage within it.

Todd N. · « **Reply #5 on:** July 09, 2007, 05:57:24 AM »

1894cfan-

Part of what will answer your question is another question... "What are you doing in that home defense role?"
If you are "fighting a holding action", meaning staying in the master bedroom until cops arrive, your '94 or a shotgun or any other long gun is fine, even great. If you are trying to clear the house of known assailant(s)... the long gun becomes a leverage weapon that can be used against you without ever firing a shot. Most people do not have , or maintain, the self-defense skills necessary to engage in hand-to-hand with a burglar intent on getting what he wants.

LEO · « **Reply #6 on:** July 09, 2007, 08:41:30 AM »

The 1894C would make a fine home defense rifle, I would probably go ahead and load it with the 125 grain JHP 357 rounds they have a proven track record out of a handgun and should only be better out of a carbine. As far as strategies for dealing with intruders go you will get as many ideas as there are people. My thought process on it is if possible get all loved ones in a single room and let the bad guys come to you, sometimes this is not possible but it is the ideal situation. House clearing is a tricky thing even when practiced regularly, when you start moving around you are instantly at a tactical disadvantage. Even in your own home there are a multitude of places for people to hide and wait for you if they hear you moving around. Just look at your own home and see how many places that you can't fully see but that can see you when you are in any given location, you will be surprised. Develop a plan before you need it and your response to an intruder will be much safer and more effective. My personal plan is to dial 911, challenge the intruder from my bedroom, (assuming it is at night, if it is day and I am wake and moving, woe unto them), send my K-9 and wait. They will either leave, or get to deal with my dog and then they will be more than happy to see me, if they get past the K-9 and come to the bedroom then there is a gun waiting on them from a position of cover with funneled lanes of fire. I realize that most on this board don't have the advantage of having a dog trainied in building search and apprehension but even fluffy will locate the bad guy in the house in all probability. Dogs are an incredably valuable home security tool and will generaly let you know someone is around well in advance of you realizing it.

Graybeard · « **Reply #7 on:** July 09, 2007, 09:42:11 AM »

The dog will go down quickly to a flurry of shots. Sure you'll know where the bad guy is and he'll have fewer bullets left but that's about it. Now if we assume the bad guy is not a decent shot and is armed only with a handgun they don't really know how to use or a knife with which they are not proficient a large dog might get to them but if it's a vocal dog rather than a silent attacker I'd not bet on it getting to them especially if there is more than one intruder.

From my bedroom I have but to open the door to have full control over all that is of real value in the house. All the bedroom doors are within 5' of each other at the end of the hall. No one would be able to withstand the hail of gun fire I can lay down if they try to make it down that hallway to the bedrooms so long as I get the door open first. And after 40+ years of shooting handguns for fun and in competition I can hit what I aim at at such ranges quite well. Having both laser and night sights on my defensive handguns being able to see to place the shot shouldn't be a problem. I believe I have a very defendable home should it ever come down to such and I have practiced clearly it plenty of times should I feel a need which I'd likely not so long as we were all in the bedrooms.

1894cfan · « **Reply #8 on:** July 09, 2007, 09:51:27 PM »

I want to thank all you guys for giving me much food for thought, tactics wise. My reason for using .38 +P's in my 1894c is that out of an 18" barrel, the .38's would act like .357's without all the added oomph of a .357 out of said rifle inside the house. My handgun of choice is a Ruger .357 Speed 6 loaded with Speer 135gr GoldDots with lots of speed-loaders stashed here and there throughout the house. There's no kids in my 5 bedroom 2 story house that I need to be concerned about finding my loaded weapons. I've been shooting for more than 25 years, so can generally hit what I aim at.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #9 on:** July 09, 2007, 11:47:08 PM »

Keith if someone is in my house. LAWS BE DAMMED! Ill let the judge and the lawyers fight it out later. Someone bust into my house or worse yet my bedroom the last thing i want to do under stress is open a gun safe or box. I dont even want to search for the magazine or chamber a round. All i want to do is live and to have my family live. My kids are grown and gone now. I never once even had a close insidence with them and a loaded gun becasuse like i said from a very early age they were taught gun safety and guns were never some majical mystery to them that peaked there curiousity. I live in a very rural very pro gun area so as far as what others thought i could have cared less. Id bet that half he homes within 200 miles of me has a loaded gun somewhere in it. My thoughts now are that its just me and the little women living here and if someone is in my house after im in bed they have no reason to be and what there intensions are are between them and God and theres a good chance there going to be able to discuss it with him personaly. One thing i learned in my military training was that if you hesitate you die if you react you live and for the most part you can talk to your blue in the face about what your going to do but unless youve actually been in a life or death situation your going to just react anyway. Greybeard made a good point about house clearing it is only a tatic for someone who knows how to do it and knows he can. For 90 percent of the people the best tatic is to break a window and get out of dodge. But that doesnt work if you have others in the house to protect. Im comming out of my door. Comming loaded to the teeth and comming on the offensive to the defensive. If the courts look at me as some crazed guy with a loaded ar with a 30 round mag bent on killing someone SO BE IT! An unloaded gun is a poor club and a locked gun is something thats nice to look at when the buddys come over but wont do much for you when crap hits the fan and your hearts pounding out of your chest. To me its nothing but some false sense of security. A better alternitive is to be passive and hope for the best. Possibly if you leave milk and cookies out you will buy enough time to get it out and loaded and useable. Dont take this as in insult. What you do in your home is your bussiness and just because my kids could be trusted doesnt mean yours can.

Quote from: Keith L on July 09, 2007, 03:59:48 AM

Better check local law before following advice on guns in the home. In my location loaded weapons accessible to children could land you in the klink by themselves. My defense gun is in a locked gun safe in my safe room. Also, to take a weapon out of one area to look for an intruder will negate the defense motive for the shooting. Know the law and work to your best advantage within it.

ms · « **Reply #10 on:** July 10, 2007, 12:48:33 AM »

My father told me if someone is in the house lay on the floor and wait then let the sob have it. I have 357 pistol with 38+p in it for my wife.

LEO · « **Reply #11 on:** July 10, 2007, 02:50:55 AM »

Graybeard, as you pointed out in a post in another forum about a 45 a.c..p. dogs are not the easiest thing out there to stop. Plus, if I have sent the dog, after challenging the bad guy and they engage it that clearly shows intent to do me and mine serious bodily injury or death. So if I have to shoot the bad guy, I am on rock solid ground as far as the criminal court goes, and also solid from a civil stand point as well. There is no perfect solution to the situation. In addition it has been my personal experience that most bad guys are way more scared of my dog than they are my gun, baton, or OC spray. I have had armed men surrender when the K-9 came out that were cussing and threatening armed officers. In addition, in my area most home invaders are not highly skilled highly trained individuals most of them are dope heads looking for something to steal to buy more drugs and while they are very dangerous, they are not organized, skilled, or on the top of their game. The dog is just another tool in the home defense arsenal much like lighting, alarm systems, locks and firearms. None of them work all the time but the more layers you have the better off you are.

As far as the layout of your house, I commend you on thinking it out, the vast majority of people haven't. In addition you are way ahead of most people in practicing clearing your home, most people can't make it from the bedroom to the bathroom to the kitchen without turning on a light. It sounds as if you have given the situation a lot of thought at some point in your life.

My comments were not directed at those on this board who have thought things through although I have learned many things from others here, but it is obvious from reading many on the posts on this and other sites that there are many folks who don't have a good plan other than to grab old betsy and go hunting which is a very good way to die and have your family victimized and if they do survive to have their family vicitimzed again by loosing everything they have or ever will have in civil court. In any serious encounter if you loose your head, you are dead. If you have a preexisting plan it is easier to control the stress and a preexisting plan is easier to modify to fit the situation at hand than trying to develop a plan on the fly. If you have never faced the situation of having to deal with an armed individual you can only imagine the stress level then add the stress level of knowing that if you fail your family will be the next victims. While this stuff is fun to talk about at the gun shop or on the internet it is deadly serious business don't just plan on being a cowboy, develop a solid plan to keep you and yours safe, test the plan, and practice it many times when it is not for real do everything you can to be as solid as you can possibly be should the unthinkable happen.

teddy12b · « **Reply #12 on:** July 10, 2007, 07:37:12 AM »

Under the bed I keep an 870 (6 shot extended tube) cylinder bore under the bed full of rifled slugs with a side saddle of four steel #2 shot. My XD-45 acp is bedside in a drawer. I used to have one of the streamlight laser/light combo's on it and that's one heck of a combo, but I had to sell the laser/light. It's more than I could ever possibly need for anything so sometimes I just have one or the other there. I only do that because I had a pretty shady neighbor though.

Keith L · « **Reply #13 on:** July 10, 2007, 04:57:06 PM »

LLoyd, my safe is one that I can work the combo one handed in the dark. It has my .45 and six magazines loaded with appropriate defensive loads. It is positioned so I will have access in the place I need it when I do.

My point is that if you are not in accordance with the local laws then you won't be much good to anyone when you are in jail. Even if you are in compliance you run the risk of legal troubles. So find out what you can do, and maximize it. This advise is right out of the NRA basic defense in the home training. Apparently you aren't familiar with this class. Perhaps you should consider taking it. You may be far better equipped to defend your family. In fact I recommend it to everyone. Since taking this fine class I developed a plan to defend us, and practice it regularly. I also increased my time at the range, shooting at least weekly to make sure I know where the shots will be going. I don't have a laser, but do have night sites on two pistols, and am confident that it will make a difference when needed.

Todd N. · « **Reply #14 on:** July 10, 2007, 05:52:06 PM »

Keith,
I understand what you are saying. I also understand that it works for you.

It seems that you are not hearing what others are saying here...
I really don't have much respect for the teachings of the NRA- the Marine Corps taught me differently, and far better. But to each his own. What Lloyd and others are saying is the REAL TRUTH of a home invasion/burglary-in-the-night situation:

THE BRAIN DOESN"T FULLY CONNECT WITH THE BODY

People who have survived this kind of situation relate loss of memory of certain sequences of events, inability to perform basic tasks (unlocking a padlock on a cabinet, for example), tunnel vision(not seeing things 6 feet to the side). This is the precise reason that so many of these discussions come back to the same idea- keep your defenses simple, your actions simple, your tools simple. It's the KISS system all over again.
I am like many others here- I have loaded guns in the house, and I always have. My daughter was taught at an early age what firearms are, and she never had to "play" with them. My grandson has gotten the same education.
We have never had a gun accident in our house.

quote
"My point is that if you are not in accordance with the local laws then you won't be much good to anyone when you are in jail."

This is an absurd statement, Keith. The local laws will not protect me at 3 a.m. when a meth-addict is breaking into my house. I live in a rural area, and it can take the local deputies 20 minutes or more to arrive. I'm not going to put the survival of me and my family on hold, just because of a stupid law.
MY survival, and that of MY FAMILY, supercede irrational laws like this. And even if I DO go to jail for a shooting in my home, I will have diffused the situation, and preserved the safety of my family.
Lloyd said,
"One thing i learned in my military training was that if you hesitate you die if you react you live ..."
This is so true. The practice of getting out of bed, deciding that you have a threat situation, getting past the initial adrenalin dump, getting into your safe, getting a weapon and loading it...
If the laws in your area demand that you not have a loaded gun in your house, and you have not figured out an end-run, so be it.

Graybeard · « **Reply #15 on:** July 10, 2007, 06:03:12 PM »

In my case it just so happens that it is perfectly legal to do as I do. Here in Bama they've not yet reomved my rights to self defense.

But what are you gonna do IF when you are first aware of the invader he is in the bedroom with you? How much good is that gun in the safe gonna do you? Mine is right there in bed with me and has a laser so all I have to do is put it on him and pull the trigger. If I have the time for more and if more is needed I can immediately access a high capacity .40 S&W with night sights that is 3' from my head and a fully loaded pump shotgun only one foot further away and a loaded lever action rifle in the same room with me.

No matter what room I'm in a loaded handgun is but an arms reach away. As I type this I could remain where I am, stretch my right arm out straight from my body and have a loaded handgun faster than I can type the word handgun.

AND we have the castle doctrine here which allows me to defend myself without having to think about the later consequences of the action so long as I'm legally in a place whether my home, my vehicle or even on a street down town. All I have to worry about is how to protect my family and myself. And I have put thought into that.

Anyone who tells me I need to lock my guns away or keep them unlocked whatever the reason does NOT have my best interest or that of my family in mind. I do not listen to such folks.

Hooker · « **Reply #16 on:** July 10, 2007, 06:32:09 PM »

Quote from: ms on July 10, 2007, 12:48:33 AM

My father told me if someone is in the house lay on the floor and wait then let the sob have it. I have 357 pistol with 38+p in it for my wife.

I don't think the 38 is enough to stop a charging wife.

Pat

Todd N. · « **Reply #17 on:** July 10, 2007, 06:51:05 PM »

Quote from: Hooker on July 10, 2007, 06:32:09 PM

Quote from: ms on July 10, 2007, 12:48:33 AM
My father told me if someone is in the house lay on the floor and wait then let the sob have it. I have 357 pistol with 38+p in it for my wife.

I don't think the 38 is enough to stop a charging wife.

Pat

Even +P's?

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #18 on:** July 11, 2007, 12:10:55 AM »

Todd im an NRA instructor and give the course. I teach it the way it is wrote as thats what i was told to do. What I recomend out of the class is based on real life. the nra cant teach something that is not leagal in every instance. If my home is invaded and my life or my familys life or even my dogs life are being threatened (which they are as soon as someone breaks into my house) the last thing in the world i give a dammed about is what the court is going to say afterward. I plan on living and keeping my family alive and will do anythng in my power to insure it gets done. Like Bill you can go through my house and theres not many places that a gun (loaded) is not readily accessable. I will explain in court with a smile on my face why i felt justified to do so. Better then one of my relitives telling the croud at my funeral that i was a safe and lawful man. If you think for a second that under the pressure of a real life situation you can maintain the presents of mind to key a safe and bring a gun into play in the couple seconds your going to have to react after being woke out of a sound sleep your a much better man then me.

Quote from: Todd N. on July 10, 2007, 05:52:06 PM

Keith,
I understand what you are saying. I also understand that it works for you.

It seems that you are not hearing what others are saying here...
I really don't have much respect for the teachings of the NRA- the Marine Corps taught me differently, and far better. But to each his own. What Lloyd and others are saying is the REAL TRUTH of a home invasion/burglary-in-the-night situation:

THE BRAIN DOESN"T FULLY CONNECT WITH THE BODY

People who have survived this kind of situation relate loss of memory of certain sequences of events, inability to perform basic tasks (unlocking a padlock on a cabinet, for example), tunnel vision(not seeing things 6 feet to the side). This is the precise reason that so many of these discussions come back to the same idea- keep your defenses simple, your actions simple, your tools simple. It's the KISS system all over again.
I am like many others here- I have loaded guns in the house, and I always have. My daughter was taught at an early age what firearms are, and she never had to "play" with them. My grandson has gotten the same education.
We have never had a gun accident in our house.

quote
"My point is that if you are not in accordance with the local laws then you won't be much good to anyone when you are in jail."

This is an absurd statement, Keith. The local laws will not protect me at 3 a.m. when a meth-addict is breaking into my house. I live in a rural area, and it can take the local deputies 20 minutes or more to arrive. I'm not going to put the survival of me and my family on hold, just because of a stupid law.
MY survival, and that of MY FAMILY, supercede irrational laws like this. And even if I DO go to jail for a shooting in my home, I will have diffused the situation, and preserved the safety of my family.
Lloyd said,
"One thing i learned in my military training was that if you hesitate you die if you react you live ..."
This is so true. The practice of getting out of bed, deciding that you have a threat situation, getting past the initial adrenalin dump, getting into your safe, getting a weapon and loading it...
If the laws in your area demand that you not have a loaded gun in your house, and you have not figured out an end-run, so be it.

shaner · « **Reply #19 on:** July 11, 2007, 11:52:14 AM »

here guys maybe this will take the edge off here
http://www.suarezinternational.com/leveraction.html

Keith L · « **Reply #20 on:** July 11, 2007, 01:14:36 PM »

You guys need to do what you want to do. I think it is important to know the laws to protect yourselves from them in case you have to use deadly force to protect yourselves from others. That's why I post these comments. I also think it is not wise to post on an open forum advise that runs contrary to the law. Think about the responsibility you could be assuming should someone take your advise and wind up in the clink.

My weapon is available in seconds, ready to rock. I have a plan and train to it. I shoot regularly so I don't have to spend time trying to reason out what to do, but can react appropriately. I have been trained in all the things you guys feel the need to lecture me about. And I am in conformance with local and state laws.

I hope and pray that none of us ever have to see if we are prepared.

Now what do you think: can we get back to Marlin Lever Action Center-fire discussion?

1894cfan · « **Reply #21 on:** July 11, 2007, 02:16:32 PM »

Quote from: Keith L on July 11, 2007, 01:14:36 PM

I hope and pray that none of us ever have to see if we are prepared.

Amen to that!!!!!!!

Now what do you think: can we get back to Marlin Lever Action Center-fire discussion?

Works for me.

Heck, all I wanted to know was an 1894c with .38+P's good enough for home protection.

Keith L · « **Reply #22 on:** July 11, 2007, 02:48:46 PM »

The answer is yes. It has some features you don't need, and may not be the quickest on target, but it will work just fine.

1marty · « **Reply #23 on:** July 11, 2007, 04:17:48 PM »

Several years back the NRA ran a great article in the American Rifleman on home defense. I'm going to contact them to see whether they'll someday run this article again. It was sound practical advice.
I've taught my wife how to handle a firearm for home defense (including smooth loading and firing) and how and where to take up a defensive position in the home including calling the police once the defensive position is established. We've run several drills and she and I have it down pat. The weapon of choice is a 12G 870 with 00 buck which she has fired many times. I don't need to worry about neighbors.
You need a plan and you need to run drills to make sure if the "real" thing occurs you are able to implement it efficiently.

1894cfan · « **Reply #24 on:** July 11, 2007, 05:04:45 PM »

Quote from: Keith L on July 11, 2007, 02:48:46 PM

The answer is yes. It has some features you don't need, and may not be the quickest on target, but it will work just fine.

Hi Keith,
What are the features I don't need? BTW, I'm thinking of using it as back-up to my Ruger Speed 6.
Thanks,
1894cfan

billy_56081 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 11, 2007, 05:36:06 PM »

The best weapon for self defense is the one in your hand at the time of need. Use what you feel most comfortable with. You sound like you are prepared. I think the revolver as your number one weapon and the lever as a backup will get you out of most situations. Better than 90% of the time the act of letting your assailant know you are armed will end the attack right there. But retreating to a safe area and defending it until the police arrive is tactically superior to trying to clear the house yourself. Only if loved ones are separated from you should you risk your safety.

Keith L · « **Reply #26 on:** July 11, 2007, 10:04:23 PM »

Quote from: 1894cfan on July 11, 2007, 05:04:45 PM

Quote from: Keith L on July 11, 2007, 02:48:46 PM
The answer is yes. It has some features you don't need, and may not be the quickest on target, but it will work just fine.

Hi Keith,
What are the features I don't need? BTW, I'm thinking of using it as back-up to my Ruger Speed 6.
Thanks,
1894cfan

Unless your home is much larger than mine you most likely will not need to make a 100 yard shot.

Todd N. · « **Reply #27 on:** July 12, 2007, 07:02:27 AM »

Quote from: Keith L on July 11, 2007, 01:14:36 PM

You guys need to do what you want to do. I think it is important to know the laws to protect yourselves from them in case you have to use deadly force to protect yourselves from others. That's why I post these comments. I also think it is not wise to post on an open forum advise that runs contrary to the law. Think about the responsibility you could be assuming should someone take your advise and wind up in the clink.

Keith,

This is one of those situations where we agree to disagree. You state that it is of paramount importance to observe the law. Bill, Lloyd, myself, and others have tried to explain options and alternatives to 1894cfan for home defense. Wher I come from, it is not just a matter of saying something won't work- you also need to explain why you have that opinion. We have done just that. We have presented a clear, concise explanation of why the rifle is less than ideal for home defense- our opinion, as asked- and we have presented alternatives ranging from shotguns to AR's to handguns.
You on the other hand, have chosen to post recriminations to our ideas, and to offer and quasi-legal "advice" which has nothing to do with this thread whatsoever. I say this because your advice is meaningless in my home state, as it may also be in many others. I live in a free-thinking state that allows
1) Concealed carry of hanguns
2) Private ownership of NFA weapons, including full-auto & suppressors
3) No legal penalty for keeping a loaded firearm in the home
4) Has no requirements for gun locks or gun registration

KeithL said,
" I also think it is not wise to post on an open forum advise that runs contrary to the law. "
I do think YOU would do well to reconsider YOUR words.

Quote from: Keith L on July 11, 2007, 01:14:36 PM

Now what do you think: can we get back to Marlin Lever Action Center-fire discussion?

We were never off-topic, Keith.

Keith L · « **Reply #28 on:** July 12, 2007, 07:13:44 AM »

All I suggested is that people know what they could be in for if they choose to defend themselves. It is not quasi legal. I spoke of laws that pertain to where I live. And I don't regret making those statements. People need to inform themselves. Each state is different. The lecturing mainly came from you and and a little from Lloyd. You two seem to be taking this as a personal situation, one that I never intended it to be. Relax and enjoy the board. Lets talk about Marlins.

1894cfan · « **Reply #29 on:** July 12, 2007, 05:13:35 PM »

Quote from: Keith L on July 11, 2007, 10:04:23 PM

Quote from: 1894cfan on July 11, 2007, 05:04:45 PM
Quote from: Keith L on July 11, 2007, 02:48:46 PM
The answer is yes. It has some features you don't need, and may not be the quickest on target, but it will work just fine.

Hi Keith,
What are the features I don't need? BTW, I'm thinking of using it as back-up to my Ruger Speed 6.
Thanks,
1894cfan

Unless your home is much larger than mine you most likely will not need to make a 100 yard shot.

That's why I've got it stuffed with .38 +P's instead of 357 Mags.