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Offline Smoke Wagon

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Need Reloading Help
« on: July 10, 2007, 02:25:24 AM »
I'm looking into to reloading and will start with the 500S&W, and progress from there. My question is what equipment will I need to start with, and what books or guides would be the best for a starting reloader. I would also like your comments and opinions on presses and dies. There are so many out there it is confusing. 
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Re: Need Reloading Help
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2007, 03:25:46 AM »
Smoke

You are going to get enough different advice here, you might be even more confused.  I know I was when I asked the same question.  I ended up getting the Lee Anniversary Kit.  I started with 357, so a straight case as well.  The scale definately leaves a lot to be desired.  However, for a beginner I like it.  (Kinda like my dad said about TV when he was a kid maybe.  I have never used anything else, so I might not know what I am missing.)  You never know if you are going to like the hobby or not, so I didn't want to dump a ton into it to begin with.  It has worked well for me.  I probably load 100-200 rounds per month.  Definately not a high volume.  It works perfectly for me, and less than $100 invested to start.  You are going to get lots of advice to buy the best you can afford.  I would probably agree with it if you KNEW you were going to keep at it.  If not, give the innexpensive route a try. 

Just my 2 cents.

As for books, check your local library.  Mine had a couple and then I just purchased a couple of reloading manuals.  Between those, I felt pretty confident.  I soon figured out I didn't have a clue, but I knew how to be safe and go slow.  You will get the hang of it.  Very quick learning curve.

Good luck and enjoy. 

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Re: Need Reloading Help
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2007, 03:50:50 AM »
Smoke,

Welcome aboard.!  Well, if there is anything more addicting than shooting and buying Handie's it will be reloading ;D  That said, My opinion is first to get hold of some good, up to date reloading manuals and there are many.  Speer #13, Hornady, Sierra, Lyman, Nosler, they all have them.  Lyman has always been good at describing the process of reloading and casting bullets for that matter, but look into that first and read, read, and read some more.  Be very carefull about reloading recipies that you find on the internet and try to check them through a good manual as there are some out there that would have you blow yourself up!  The 500 S&W is a heavy caliber but a good one to load for due to ammo prices and the fact that when you roll your own you can go from mild to wild.  As far as loading equipment, if I were to do it over again, I would have looked into one of the kits.  I have several different set ups now to include a Dillon but just starting out I would look into an RCBS single stage kit or one like darat pointed you toward from LEE.  I said RCBS because I just sent my Police Chief to get one as he is getting started in reloading and Fur,Fin and Feather had one of these kits which includes a loading manual, single stage press, scales, powder measure and everything else needed except dies, and your components (Powder, Brass, Primers and Bullets) for $239.00.  Any good press will last you a life time.  When you get into it more and have calibers that you shoot the heck out of you may want to look into a progresive like a Dillon or one from other makers.  I strongly suggest starting out on a single stage press first though because you see and are in control of everything that is going on one step at a time.  I'm sure that you will get lots of opinions here so stand by and they'll start rolling in! :)

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Re: Need Reloading Help
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Re: Need Reloading Help
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2007, 07:29:31 AM »


One of the best post I have read here at GBO regarding this subject...was written by Graybeard himself...http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,99824.30.html and I agree with him on this...I will add this to it.....Being able to reload your own ammunition isn't for everyone...and as a new reloader...you need to have a dedicated well lit quite space to reload...free of crying kids..nagging wives..barking dogs..blaring televisions & radios...If you don't have someone in your area who can show you how to reload...I suggest getting either the DVD or VCR here for beginners and watch it...It will help you a-lot..I also suggest getting a couple reloading manuals as well...and the one I now suggest is the Sierra 5th edition...It has a complete easy to read reloading section in the front that will explain the whole reloading process to you..This manual is very complete and is a very good read ...and now that Speer has come out with their new #14 manual..I would suggest it as well...along with the Hodgdons Annual magazine manual...This will give you a very wide range of powders & bullets to choose from...The technicians at any of these companies will speak to you 1 on 1 to help you with any questions you may have or worries about any paticular load...

As to you equipment choice...most here will agree that you shouldn't spend a-lot to start out with because you may not like reloading...I am not of this ilk...I firmly believe you should buy the absolute best equipment you can afford...even if you have to purchase it slightly used....While some of the lower priced options may seem to be the best bargain..having higher quality equipment at your disposal makes reloading easier and takes the guess work out a lot of it...since most of us long time reloaders know full well that all equipment isn't created equal...and we have a mis-mash of various manufactures reloading tools on our benches...I have the ambiguous Lee equipment..Hornady..RCBS..Lyman..Pacific/Bonanza..Redding..Herters..Wilson..C&H...just to name a few...and I use all of them for one thing or another...Graybeard mentioned in his post why he uses his Hornady Loc & Load...and I agree...I like mine for the same reasons...but...I also know that Hornady makes adapters for the RCBS presses to use any dies the same way...and would recommend if interested that you take a look at them for either press...

Mac

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Re: Need Reloading Help
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2007, 01:53:47 AM »
Thanks for the help guys. I have been looking at the Lee Anniversary Set. The price is very tempting for a hobby I'm not sure I will enjoy. I will take the advice given and begin reading and then when done I will read some more. I watched the lee videos that were suggested. It doesn't look that hard. I am going  to take it slow. I asked around at work and found a guy who reloads, but hasn't done it for about 10 yrs  :o. I'm going to tap his knowledge base ;D. He has agreed to help get me started.
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2007, 02:12:45 AM »
Man, someone who knew what they were doing would have been the greatest thing ever when I started.  Would have saved a bunch of stupid mistakes I am sure.  I could still use it guaranteed!


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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2007, 10:16:01 AM »
I have a couple of friends and we are all going to learn how to reload together.  I think we have each been looking and reading and we'll pool what we find out.  We each work at different places and have different friends, you would think that between 3 of us, someone we know would reload.

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Re: Need Reloading Help
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2007, 03:07:42 PM »
i started reloading about a little over a year ago and bought the anniversary kit when i started out. i bought it for the same reasons you are looking at. i wasnt sure if i would like it but i REALLY do. i started out only loading for the .25-06 but have now expanded that to 21 different calibers for about 35 guns. it gets really addicting if you get into it.

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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2007, 03:23:30 PM »
Read as much as you can. The more you know the easier it is to load with a minimum of expense.
I have scrounged a lot of the stuff I use second hand at guns shops and guns shows. I have 2 or 3 or 4 of everything now.
Much of it was bought for  pennies on the dollar.  The 30-30 and 38 Special are good ones to learn to load with. There are a lot of once fired cases and bullets out there and a lot of good data for those two.

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Re: Need Reloading Help
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2007, 03:57:54 PM »
If I were starting out I would step up to the Lee turret press kit. It is only a little higher than the anniversary and a whole lot easier since the turret holds all 4 dies (or 3 if that is what you happen to be using) and once the dies are in the turret and adjusted for the caliber you are using all you need to do when you add another caliber is to add a second (third, fourth, you get the picture) turret. The kits are for sale on Midway USA and Midsouth Shooters also. I have owned both and wholeheartedly recommend the turret. Enjoy whatever you decide on. Charlie
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Re: Need Reloading Help
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2007, 06:03:07 PM »
Headspace, OAL, full length, neck size.........it was all gibberish when I first started.  Go to the Lee website and download the videos about how to set up your dies and stuff.  They were a godsend to my recent problem with crimping the 357 Mag.  Otherwise, buy the Lyman #48 Manual.  It has a lot of good setup and general info in it.

http://www.leeprecision.com/html/HelpVideos/video.html

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Re: Need Reloading Help
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2007, 12:07:53 AM »
Thanks for the help so far, I was also looking at the turret press for the convenience, but that it would be harder to learn to use. another thing to decide about ??? How difficult is 357 mag to reload. Have a rifle in that caliber and unlimited supply of once fired speer brass.
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2007, 12:27:21 AM »
I do not have a turret press. I have been thinking about getting a good one though. I have used a single stage for a long time. The turret press is not hard to use. They work the same way as a single stage, but you simple turn the turret to the die you want to use instead of taking out dies and replacing them. The advantage is once you set the dies, you do not have to change them. The 357 is easy to load for. May I suggest a carbide sizing die? I would suggest it for any straight sided case including the 500 S&W. You can buy Lee die sets with the carbide sizing die included. They do not cost very much more than a regular die set. The Lee dies with carbide sizer cost about the same as other name brand dies with steel sizers. The carbide sizing die saves a lot of hassle and mess with lubing the cases.  Good luck. I have found reloading to be a very satisfying hobby in itself. Pay attention to the details and you will have a very satisfying experience. It is one that can be done on a rainy day or when the weather is too cold to go outside and still be in the shooting game;D
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Re: Need Reloading Help
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2007, 01:46:20 AM »
One thing I forgot to mention about the straight walled cases...Most people like a roll crimp on their cases. In some cases a crimp is mandatory, like in a repeating gun (revolver or lever gun). It is important to trim all of the cases to the same length before reloading. Trimmers can be expensive, but the Lee trimmer is about the cheapest and it works just fine for simple trimming. This is so that when you crimp the bullets in, the crimps will be uniform from case to case. Setting the dies for a crimp is a trial and error thing. There are several good sources on how to do a crimp including instructions from the dies sets them selves. One more thing, since you said that you had a lot of 357 cases, sort your cases into like cases. I mean that do not mix manufacturers in the same lot. Do not mix Remington, Winchester, Federal, etc together. If all of the case you have are Speer then you do not have to sort of course. Unless they are all of the same lot, they still should be trimmed. There are several reasons not to mix, too long for this post. There are loads (pun intended) of things to learn. Read, read, read any thing you can get your hands on. As mentioned above GB has a lot of good reading in his post. Many reloading manuals have good instructions in them.
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Re: Need Reloading Help
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2007, 04:53:41 PM »
I just started reloading this year. I looked at the cheaper ones & asked around alot of friends & family that reload & all said RCBS is the way to go. Their customer relations are #1 (they stand behind their products)! It will last you & your children's lifetimes if taken care of. The RCBS Rockchucker Supreme kit is a good kit to start with, will cost around $230 or so plus what ever dies you need. Read the Speer manual that comes with it from front to back & get another manual too. The Lyman #48 manual has alot of good info & alot of various loads that arenot biased to one bullet manufacturer. Go to the reloading forum & read the list of stuff needed to get started. The kits don't have everything, but do have alot of the things needed & will save you some bucks!