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Where to place a bullet in a bear
« on: July 16, 2007, 09:02:38 AM »
I might be opening a can of worms here but here goes.

There is what I consider bad information circulating about, "Aim for the bears shoulders and bust him up good with the 1st shot."

When we were new to the bear hunting scene my buddy took that advice and wounded two bear the first two days never to find them. Finally on the third day he took a lung shot (behind the shoulders) and got his bear.

Here's a pic of what I mean


The red is where my buddy aimed and had bad results. The green finally anchored his bear and it's the shot I usually take if broadside perfectly. Yes I will angle into a shoulder if I have to but I am going for the lungs.

If your regularly taking the far forward shoulder shots (red dot) I guess I'd like to know the results and why you feel it's better. Yes I would agree an artery or vein leading to the lungs might be hit but might not.

Another interesting shot is the head shot. A different buddy of mine had  a .44 mag bounce off the skull of a bear. I'm sure he gave it a concussion since it knocked it out for about a minute but it came to and ran off before he knew what happened.

I have had game wardens tell me they have seen where a 300 magnum rifle bounced off. Obviously the angle has to be right.

My last pic is a 44 mag shot to a bears skull I walked up on which was still alive. The hole and crack in the skull shows a proper angle from a 44 mag will do the job no problem. I was above the bears head shooting down.



The avatar I use was a neck shot (right at base of skull) using a 30-06 so I'm not totally just for lung shots, I just think it is the safest shot to take.






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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2007, 01:17:02 PM »
I like the shot with the green dot also. With the right angle the lungs and a shoulder are hit. It is nice to take out two functions with one shot.  ;D
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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2007, 07:05:02 PM »
My only bear was shot with one shot from a 180 gr .300 WSM at 40 yrds.My shot placement was higher than the red dot shoulder point of aim ,approx half-way between the red dot and the spine.More  of a shoulder blade shot angling down into the far side upper leg.Bear when down at the shot ,tried getting up but couldn't and i took a 2nd unnecessary shot in the neck.
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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2007, 09:12:29 AM »
Animals run pretty good on 3 legs.  A broken leg is an injury, I think the idea is to break the scapula.  I would still take the lung shot, your green dot will probably take the off side leg.  The only bear I've shot (wish I had tags for all the others I've seen) was quartering towards and I was on a rock above him.  I shot through the near side neck, bullet exited behind far side shoulder.  Dropped him where he stood, probably shocked the spine.

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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2007, 12:16:29 PM »
The green dot is the bulls-eye
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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2007, 02:57:56 PM »
 Good discussion. I have a Fall black bear hunt lined up & just have to double check my 300WSM shooting 180 grn partions at 2812fps. No not a max load but close enough.  I have given shot placement some thought & read where 'through the lungs into the off side shoulder' will do. I know that could be very difficult to pull off in a real world hunt. My location is near a very large swamp & I don't want a run-off. I have seen where above that red dot, between it & the spine is the spot.
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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2007, 08:54:58 AM »
Good discussion. I have a Fall black bear hunt lined up & just have to double check my 300WSM shooting 180 grn partions at 2812fps. No not a max load but close enough.  I have given shot placement some thought & read where 'through the lungs into the off side shoulder' will do. I know that could be very difficult to pull off in a real world hunt. My location is near a very large swamp & I don't want a run-off. I have seen where above that red dot, between it & the spine is the spot.

What state are you hunting bear in and what do you expect to be the typical distance of your shot?
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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2007, 10:00:23 AM »
  I got a phone call last time I was on & had to go. I will be in the U.P. of MI in a remote area on private land. The stand is up & it is about 30-35 yrds from where the bait will go. It's of course on the thick side but any shot will be 70 yrds or less. There have always been good bear sign in the area & once the bait is out I have confidence in the location. Of course a visit during shooting hours would be helpful.
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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2007, 12:26:57 PM »
  I'm with shooter...  On bears i don't like either one of the shots you show...  I like to "break" them down, and shooter has the right idea!!!  Not that you always get that "picture perfect" shot you show...

  I wish i had a dollar for every time i was told EXACTLY "where someone shot/hit something" and then never recovered it!!

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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2007, 06:37:55 PM »
  I'm with shooter...  On bears i don't like either one of the shots you show...  I like to "break" them down, and shooter has the right idea!!!  Not that you always get that "picture perfect" shot you show...

  I wish i had a dollar for every time i was told EXACTLY "where someone shot/hit something" and then never recovered it!!

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Why do you like to "break them down"? Why not just kill it with a heart/lung shot? If you can aim and place your shot with repeatable accuracy in the shoulder, you should be able to do the same with a heart/lung shot.

I'v killed many bear and never shot to break them down. I always aim for the heart/lungs and it works every darn time. Never had a bear go more then a few yards. I'v seen many guys take non-heart/lung shots and never recover the bear or they have to be tracked for long distances. Depending on bullet choice and or caliber has a significant impact on being able to break a bear down. A bear can still move very well with only one of his wheels out. He still has 3 good wheels..




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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2007, 06:48:06 PM »
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You cant go wrong with a shot that breaks the scapula and passes through to the opposite leg.My 2nd shot wasnt needed but this was my 2nd paid bear hunt and i wasnt about to go home without my rug if i could help it.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2007, 03:49:31 AM »
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Why do you like to "break them down"? Why not just kill it with a heart/lung shot?

  Because it anchors them right there!  Why would i shoot them in the lungs and then have to go look for them?  Bears are very hard to track, and if they aren't in the open, why make them any harder to get?  I've seen them go a ways when lung shot.

  On big bears, i don't care where they are, i break them down with the first shot!

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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2007, 04:43:12 AM »
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Why do you like to "break them down"? Why not just kill it with a heart/lung shot?

  Because it anchors them right there!  Why would i shoot them in the lungs and then have to go look for them?  Bears are very hard to track, and if they aren't in the open, why make them any harder to get?  I've seen them go a ways when lung shot.

  On big bears, i don't care where they are, i break them down with the first shot!

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I don't know what you folks are talking about all these bears running and needing to be tracked with heart/lung shots. I have been in the company of bear hunting all my life, have shot at and killed all bears (16) with heart/lung hits. They never ran more than a few yards, most lay dead on the spot.

A properlly placed shot to the heart/lung will anchor a bear better then any attempted single shot that needs to pass thru both shoulders. Even at this, you need a follow up shot to kill the animal. A bear will bleed till nearly dry before dropping dead with a non-vital hit but he can't breath or pump blood thru his sytem to sustain life if his heart and or lungs have failed.

Every bear hunt I have guided and or helped track over the years at hunting camps in Maine, Wisconsin and now out here in the west its always the guys that go for head shots, neck shots, shoulder shots that fail the most on bear hunts. The most sussessfull hunters are those patient and proficient enough to put one in the boiler room. Try it I think you will find that a proprlly placed 30 caliber or better rifle round, 180gr or better, like a Nosler Partition will do a great job on these animals. I tend to like the 45-70 or 444m in a lever gun  for closer in work. For further out shots  a 300, 375 win mag or 348 weatherby mag something like these do a great job on even big bear.





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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2007, 11:19:10 AM »
Drilling Man I went back about 12 pages on your past posts and it's obvious you have shot some big game in your life.
Looks like we both like the 30-06 with 200 grain Noslers Partitions.

Heres' my question: When your breaking bear down with the shoulder shots are you following up with a second shot, all of the time, some of the time, or none of the time?

What is the lightest caliber/bullet you use for these shots. How did you originally start using this shot and why? Was it the practice in the circles you traveled with?

And you are saying BOTH shoulders must be hit correct?



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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2007, 02:27:50 PM »
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Heres' my question: When your breaking bear down with the shoulder shots are you following up with a second shot, all of the time, some of the time, or none of the time?

What is the lightest caliber/bullet you use for these shots. How did you originally start using this shot and why? Was it the practice in the circles you traveled with?

And you are saying BOTH shoulders must be hit correct?

  I was about 20 yrs old when i shot my first bear...  I shot a few in the heard/lungs and "never" did i have a bear die within a few feet...  (I've never hunted or shot a bear from a tree stand) Then i moved to Alaska, and continued hunting blk. bears, and also started hunting brown/grizzly bears...  I've shot a few bears, and to this day, i've NOT had one heart/lung shot bear die within a few feet of being shot, and everyone i've seen shot there has run at least a little ways too....

  Because many times in Ak. your hunting in brush, i started breaking them down so i didn't loose sight of them, even for a second!  Any bear that goes out of sight even for  moment becomes a huge problem, and i'm the guy that has to go in first....  I'd just rather beable to see them at all times after the shot...

  Breaking both shoulders does kill them fairly fast and it also damages there spinal cord, but yes, if needed i will shoot them again...  The same goes for any animial i shoot that's moving away.... I'll keep shooting any wounded animial untill they are anchored!

  Lightest cal/ bullet i'd use is 7mm using a 175NP  In a 7 Rem. Mag. it will flatten any bear, big or small...  A 30-06 with 200 NP's will do the same, but keep in mind i consider 100 yards a long shot on a big bear, and i like 50 yrds better...  I don't like long shots on blk. bears either...

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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2007, 04:32:17 PM »
I'm with you in shooting any animal that's moving away. I also keep shooting. But the bear season in Minnesota is September 1st and the foliage is extremely thick. We can rarely get a second shot.

One of the few times I got  a second shot off I was actually filming it. I shot the bear moving away from me in the shoulder and he continued to run on 3 legs. I angled the 2nd shot into the heart/lung area and he dropped almost like he was stone dead which actually leads to subject slightly off topic but I think you will all find very interesting. I'll finish my post with it.

Anyway I'm sure you've done an autopsy of sorts with your bear and the key word you said is spinal cord. If this drawing is accurate (although the shoulder blades look a little small to me) it indeed explains the spinal cord shock esp if one hits  above the mid line in the shoulder blade.



It also shows why my buddy who shot low in the shoulder (the red dot) lost two bear. He did not shock the spinal cord and he was unable to get a second shot off.

I guess my intent with this post since some of us are going bear hunting soon was a little refresher in bullet placement.   I agree with cabin4 though about heart/lung shots being definite killing shots. I'm going to stick with them most of the time.

Getting back to the animals dropping like a sack of potatoes from other than spinal cord or brain shots. The British did a study where they actually lung shot animals with firearms. They noticed some animals dropped instantly like turning a light switch off and others did not.

They did autopsies and found the animals that dropped instantly had ruptured blood vessels in the brain. They determined the heart muscle was kind of like in the power stroke of a piston but just a hair before it. The shot to the animal if it was exactly just as the heart was starting to contract caused a power surge in the blood pressure and ruptured the blood vessels in the brain knocking the animal out. The animal bled out due to the lung shot and died before coming to. I can't explain why not just any shot hitting them at the right moment wouldn't also knock them out, apparently it was only animals shot in the lungs close to the heart.

I had a similar thing happen one time with my truck at an intersection. Another guy and I both started to turn at the same time. I floored it and actually popped out a frost plug which allowed the engine to power surge even more. I had tires squealing like crazy.

Anyway it does explain why I have shot some deer and had them collapse and others have ran 100 yards with almost the same shot. Leastwise better than some of my buddies claiming my problem was I had the wrong caliber and how such and such caliber made them, "Drop in their tracks."   

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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2007, 05:55:37 PM »
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  Lightest cal/ bullet i'd use is 7mm using a 175NP  In a 7 Rem. Mag. it will flatten any bear, big or small...  A 30-06 with 200 NP's will do the same, but keep in mind i consider 100 yards a long shot on a big bear, and i like 50 yrds better...  I don't like long shots on blk. bears either...

  I just want to add, when i made the above statement i was referring to "brown" bears, not blks...  You sure don't need a 7 mag. to bust up a blk. bear!

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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2007, 03:55:10 AM »
I lived in Pennsylvania for 9 years and although I never guided for bear there, 600lbs is not uncommon at all. I have seen bear there while fishing and hunting deer that easily went over 500.In fact, the state biologists have a collor on a bear in PA that they claim went in excess of 1300 lbs. I know some will find this hard to beleive, but PA likly has some of the best black bear habitat/food source in the world. Its only problem is too many people & not enough vast wildnerness. Not to mention a few other issues that keep the bear population down and hunting them hard.  In Maine, the average bear is about 130 to 150lbs. I have seen ones taken in the 400 to 500 lb range on occasion. 250 to 325 is considered big.

My point to all this, depending on where you hunt black bear, there size can vary greatly. Caliber selection for black bear should be very dependent on location/situation.
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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2007, 04:01:24 AM »
I'll be bear hunting in a couple weeks and from what I've seen and read I'm going to place my crosshairs half way between the red and green dots and hopefully the 220gr pro-hunter out of a 30-06 will do the job.  I'll post the results, if I'm fortunate enough to get a shot on a good bear.

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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2007, 06:34:23 PM »
I have shot many bears in the head with everything from a 222 to a 7mm mag. I have never had a bullet bounce off, what a load of crap spread by a bunch of old wives around the kitchen stove.

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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2007, 07:55:49 PM »
With a Black Bear the heart/Lung shot is OK.  But if you happen to be hunting Grizzlies or Brownies, it's a whole nuther ball game.  I like to brake both shoulders with the first shot.  This means I'm not shooting a .243, .270, or anything less that a .338 Win Mag.

The reason I want to brake him down, it's simple.  So he can't come and eat me, or get away.
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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2007, 09:50:14 AM »
As you look through the binoculars at the bear of a life time with your guide at your side, he says to you--- "be patient, wait for the perfect shot". That moment finally arrives and you shoot for the head or shoulder!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

It likely will be the last time you ever hunt with that guide.

I simply don't get this thread. Put the bullet in the boiler room and be done with it. If you believe your gun is capable of putting one in the boiler room via the shoulder, then why risk it? Just go for the sure route and aim for the boiler room directly. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Whats the purpose of a head shot? Why risk taking off half the bears face as he runs off into the woods?

As general all around shot placement advise, this thread belongs in the trash can. If you are an extremely experienced marksman with your gun and what to go out on a limb, simply for the sake of taking additional risk, this is advise one should keep to ones self. Bragging about taking risky shots on game as a the rule, is just bad hunting.

There is no better advise then a well placed bullet from a capable round in the boiler room. The bear will die immediatly or quickly and leave a good blood trail if he moves off.

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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2007, 05:09:45 PM »
I have shot many bears in the head with everything from a 222 to a 7mm mag. I have never had a bullet bounce off, what a load of crap spread by a bunch of old wives around the kitchen stove.



I wonder if the shooter was level on the ground with the bear and the bear was looking slightly up. I don't know...I think the jury is still out on the bullet possibly being able to deflect without penetration.

Here's a lengthy article I purchased for $2.95 from the Great Falls Tribune archives. Not conclusive about a bullet glancing off but some evidence.

November 23, 2002
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Hunter dropped charging grizzly with shot from hip
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Bear recovering evidence points to self-defense
 
By MICHAEL BABCOCK Tribune Outdoor Editor

The grizzly sow shot in the head in a dramatic encounter with a hunter earlier this week was on the move with her three cubs Friday, heading deeper into the Rocky Mountain backcountry west of Dupuyer, possibly toward her den.

Bear managers are elated.

Her improvement "is exactly what we were hoping for," Fish, Wildlife & Parks grizzly bear biologist Mike Madel said. "She can travel and care for her cubs, so their survival looks very good."

Friday, the gripping story of the incident emerged.

Apparently, Missoula hunter Rodney Roberts had crawled through heavy brush to within 10 to 15 yards of the four bears before realizing they were not deer or elk.

As he fell backward in the face of the charging mother bear, he fired from the hip, dropping the bear a mere 10 to 15 feet away.

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service agent Kim Speckman continues to investigate the shooting under the Endangered Species Act, but said Friday that the evidence seems to point to self-defense.

"The scene supported what he told me," Speckman said. "And he was very remorseful and extremely cooperative.

"It is not a done deal yet: If the sow ends up dead, there will be a necropsy. What I could see in the field is consistent with what he told me," she said.

The bear was shot shortly after 1 p.m. on the Greg Duncan ranch about 10 miles west of Dupuyer. Roberts and Dick Swingley of Great Falls were hunting on the TRM Ranch, also known as the Boone and Crockett Club ranch, but apparently had strayed on to the other ranch.

According to reports from investigators, bear biologists and hunters, this is what happened:

About 1 p.m., Roberts and Swingley spotted a group of elk. They didn't have elk tags, but Roberts wanted to get another look at them. The men separated and moved along a timbered hillside about 75 yards apart.

Roberts followed the contour of a ridge through the thick brush and timber. He approached a rise, and through the brush he saw something brown that he thought were deer or elk, and he began to sneak up on them.

He crawled forward until he got very close, then stood partially up. It was then he realized that, in fact, he was nearing four grizzlies.

The wind was blowing hard from the bears to the hunter, so they couldn't smell him. But when he stood up, the sow stood up and faced him - they were 30 to 45 feet apart.

He turned and ran the bear ran after him.

Realizing that running was the wrong thing to do, Roberts turned to face the bear, and as he backed up, he tripped. As he fell, he fired from his hip, hitting her in the face. The bear, now 10 to 15 feet away, went down.

He saw the three cubs running toward him and the sow, but thought they were the sow's cub and another sow and cub.

He ejected the spent round from his .270-caliber rifle, and eventually made his way out of the brush and into a clearing, where he fell down, expecting to see the bears charging his way.

Swingley heard the shot, but didn't know about the bears until Roberts alerted him on a handheld radio.

They went back to the Boone and Crockett Ranch, but no one was there. Eventually they used a cell phone to contact Fish, Wildlife & Parks game wardens, who called Madel and Speckman.

The USFWS is investigating the incident because grizzly bears are protected under the Endangered Species Act. There is an exemption for shooting a bear in self-defense.

A conviction for unlawfully shooting a grizzly carries a maximum $10,000 fine and six months in jail.

Roberts was not carrying bear spray, although it probably would not have helped since he was facing into the strong wind.

"He didn't yell or anything," Speckman said. "All in all, it was not a good situation.

"I, too, have been charged by bears," the investigator said. "There are those who may have not reacted like he did. But nobody can armchair quarterback what somebody would do if they were within 10 to 15 feet of a sow with three cubs running toward them."

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A female grizzly that was shot in the head Tuesday moves with her three cubs Friday through underbrush west of Dupuyer toward her traditional denning site in the Birch Creek drainage on the Rocky Mountain Front. PHOTO BY MIKE MADEL, GRIZZLY BEAR MANAGEMENT BIOLOGIST, MONTANA FWP
 
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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2007, 09:28:00 AM »
Well I just lived through those two shots plus one. I was blacktail deer hunting and had an chance at a nice Black Bear which ended up at plus 460lbs live wt and 6'7" nose to tail. Anyway my first shot which was at 70yds and broadside. It was a shoulder hit that broke the shoulder and actually went though into the chest cavity then hit the heart. The bear turned charged us (covered about 35 yards before stopping in a blackberry/ brush patch that was  between us. Almost an hour later I lured the bear out and my second shot was right at the green dot (Also Broadside). Took out both lungs. I shot a third time through the brisket as he had fallen down and rolled to his back after the second hit. I was shooting a .270 using Nosler Accubonds. The bullet's performed flawlessly however The lesson I learned is: Bears are tough, don't make the mistake of hitting a big black bear in the shoulder. Even though in this case I hit the heart also the bear lasted almost another hour (would have been longer if I hadn't hit him again) and also that I need to start packing my .300 Win. Mag when I go blacktail hunting :) Just in case!      
 
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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2007, 11:58:23 AM »
Sounds like that 1st bullet deflected downwards into the heart? Yikes could you see it still standing in the brush all that time and how did you coax it out? 

I shot a 300 pound black bear broadside (behind the shoulder on the green dot) at 35 yards and the bullet deflected off a rib and angled up into the top of the neck. Found bone and bullet shrapnel on opposite chest wall and it was killed it alright but I started reloading my own after that.

I was using a factory (Federal) loaded round, specifically, a Nosler 180 grain Partition.

I'm a believer bullets can do strange things at times.

Very nice bear though. You doing any taxidermy work on it? If not did you save the skull and claws. I've never done a skull yet, but I have done bear claw necklaces. Got a post somewhere under 'bear hunting' entitled "How to make a bear claw necklace (cheap)".
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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2007, 06:58:34 PM »
Yeah, that first shot deflected down from the point of entry. I didn't recover it and it never made it into the off side bone. I couldn't believe he ran after taking that hit. After the initial charge I never saw the bear again until the time of the second shot. The only way I could tell where he was is because the brush patch that he was in had a small tree that was slightly taller than everything else around it. He was up against this tree and I could see it shaking every once and while. After waiting him out I began throwing sticks towards him. He actually started moving and was going after the sound of the sticks hitting the brush. Everytime I threw a stick he went right for it. As I did this my son and I continued backing up towards an old road. Finally we got close enough that I threw the last stick along the side the road and he came out towards the sound. When he hit the old road and crossed I hit him the second time.

As far as taxidermy goes this is my first bear so I'm getting it all done. Full Rug with open mouth and claws, etc. The Skull will be cleaned and mounted. Right now the Taxi shop green scored him high enough for Boone & Crockett recognition at 20". He'll probably end up just shy though because the skull will shrink over the 60 day drying period. He will qualify for entry in the Oregon Big Game books no matter what. It was the most exciting hunt I have ever had in 18 years and my 10yr old son was right by my side the whole time.







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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2007, 05:21:39 PM »
That's going to be quite the memory for your son. Bear rugs are huge...hope you have a full wall big enough to handle it because that big boy is going to need it. Wow what a really nice 1st black bear.

Crock pot the meat for stew, it gets real tender. I just throw chunks in big as my fist.

I walked in on a bear in the bait station once and let him have a 200 grain Nosler Partition. He flopped around on the ground and took off like a rabbit that had been hit on the nose with a stick. No way I could get a second shot off. Scared me being that close to the action. (Took one lung out and found him 75 yards away)

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« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2007, 12:40:56 PM »
Shoulder shots on Black Bear are very effective if you are using a large caliber rifle capable of penetrating both shoulders, and you are shooting from the proper angle. I don't know about old wives gossiping about bear hunting but I bounced a .308 round off a large bears skull from less than 20 feet. The bear did not go down. His head spun around from the impact, he did a 180 and took off like a streak. No blood, no bear just bear hair left behind. Never tried a head shot again. One last note. Big Black Bear are nothing like average 130# to 150# bear. The 500# and bigger bear are more like a grizzley to take down and keep down. One man's opinion.
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Re: Where to place a bullet in a bear
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2007, 03:58:47 PM »
The lesson I learned is: Bears are tough, don't make the mistake of hitting a big black bear in the shoulder.       
 

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« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2008, 01:05:10 PM »
I think that the idea of shoulder shots to put the bear down comes from Brown Bear guides who don't want to track a wounded bear in "swimming thick" brush. Big Black Bear boars are not like 150 pound bear. Breaking both shoulders with your first shot is wise with big bear in thick cover. You have to have the right caliber to do this though. Different individual bears have different personalities and some big bears are big because they have an exceptional will to survive. These bears live for years with broadheads embedded in their bodies. Some have massive wounds that heal during hibernation and are not apparent until the butcher tells the hunter what he found when butchering the animal years after the injury. Small bears are not hard to kill, but you look at 400 - 500 pound plus Black Bear and some of them have massive bone and muscle structure and well over 100 pounds of fat. Some of these bears can run a hundred yards or so before they collapse. Thick fur soaking up blood like a sponge, fat sealing the entry wound and an animal that can sprint at 30 MPH with little or no blood trail makes perfect sense of breaking the shoulders. Where I hunt the foliage is green and thick. The bear is visible only in the 20' circle of my bait clearing. I once lost a 500 pound class bear after putting him down with my .270. I flattened him. I held my crosshairs on him for several minutes and sat back down when I believed he was finished. That is when he jumped up, made a bee line toward me, took a right angle turn and ran from the clearing. He made a half circle around me in thick cover woofing at me then left. 3 Of us spent 3 hours in the middle of the night and longer than that the next morning tracking him about 150 yards before the spars sign faded completely.
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