I purchased two NIB about three years after they came out. Paid $375 for one, $400 for the other. I think it was because unless you handload, its a worthless caliber IMHO. If you handload however its one of the best cartridges ever designed. To make a long story short, one shot around an inch bone stock with ss 196 surplus ball, the other around 2.5 inches with the same ammo. Handloads as you guessed improved things, albeit slightly. Kept the shooter, sold the other to my buddy who kept the action, sold the stock and barrel on E bay. FWIW, H4895 over a 150gr. sptizer yeilded mid 2900s and shot great!