Author Topic: Accurizing Ruger single Six (Read 3224 times)

smacky · « **on:** July 18, 2007, 09:45:33 AM »

I've had a single six for years and have never been happy with accuracy in either cylinder. Is there a smith that can make this thing shoot with either cylinder?

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #1 on:** July 18, 2007, 11:06:51 AM »

I taked to dave clements about accurizing a single six and he told me short of putting on a new barrel and making a new cylinder to the tune of about 800 bucks your best off living with what you got. I guess before i sank 800 bucks plus the 350 one cost to do it id consider a Freedom arms 22. He did make some noise a little while back about some accuraizing deal for them and has never followed up on it so i dont know if its still in the works or it didnt pan out.

2 dogs · « **Reply #2 on:** July 18, 2007, 11:22:52 AM »

I have one done by Alan Harton that my friends dubbed "El Nimrodito" that is really cool. E mail me at fcgarza0640@hotmail.com and I will send you some pics.

Graybeard · « **Reply #3 on:** July 18, 2007, 12:44:39 PM »

Why not just post your pics so all can see.

Racer X · « **Reply #4 on:** July 18, 2007, 02:01:46 PM »

David Clements bought a Taylor Throating reamer earlier this year. I asked him a couple of months ago if he has had a chance to test it and as of then, he had not. I don't know what he charges but it is alot cheaper than linebored cylinders and a new barrel.

I bought a 5-1/2" stainless Single Six in January. I like the way it looks but it shoots like crap. The best it will do is ~ 1-1/2" @ 15 yards with Super-X LR ammo. I still have the gun and will probably keep it, since it is a good gun to teach my young boys to shoot. But rather than dumping more money into my Single Six or spending $1600 on a FA, I bought a Ruger Slabside Competition model, which will put 10 shots under a nickel at 15 yards. It will probably do better than that for someone with better eyes.

Jerry Lester · « **Reply #5 on:** July 18, 2007, 02:50:40 PM »

Have you tried the Federal bulk pack 36g HP's? I've had several Single Sixes, and most shot very well with this ammo. None seem to like the hyper velocity stuff too good.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2007, 11:47:09 PM »

something else worth trying is a "PACO" accurazing tool. It is a die that you sit your 22 ammo in and by tapping it with a hammer it bumps up the size of the nose of a 22 shell and at the same time either makes them into a swc or a hp design. I played with one a few years ago and found that it did improve accuracy with some ammo and never made it worse and really improves the killing power of a 22. The hps have a big cavity and they seem to hit animals as hard as a 22mag. That and like what was said. Buy ever brand of ammo you can find and test as different ammo really makes the differnce in a single six. Probably more then any other 22 ive tested. Couple of my favorits are the ww xpert hps and the pmc zappers. Much to my disdane pmc 22 ammo cant be found anymore. Im down to a couple bricks of zappers and hord them like gold. They have consitantly outshot match ammo in my guns. With enough work ive found something every single six ive owned would actually shoot well. Its took trying every kind of ammo then sometimes repeating the test using all three paco punches with each type of ammo. To me i think ruger wastes alot of efford making that gun a convertable. If theyd set it up just for LR ammo and forget the mag stuff 90 percent of the shooters would be happier. Personaly i could never see a use for 22 mags. Some guys love them but if im going to pay 10 bucks a box for 50 mags id rather load 3 boxes of 32s using bullets i casted and end up at the same price for more ammo that is more effective and usuallly more accurate. I wonder how many mag cylinders are sitting in the box unsused or have one box of shells through them before there stuffed away. Ruger could make the gun better and cheaper by dumping the idea.

OLDHandgunner · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2007, 02:38:28 AM »

smacky:
I have had this problem with mine before. The easiest and least expensive way to help is, first make sure you have a good trigger pull. Put in wolff springs and hone the trigger. Then try different ammo. I know you have heard this before but every gun has is own preference to what it likes for ammo. I own dozens of 22's both rifle's & pistol's. Most will shoot one brand good. But for the finicky guns and we all have had one, you will have to buy this gun it's own personal ammo. I probably have at least 20+ brands & types of 22 ammo. High, low, standard velocity, target, match, sub-sonic. You get the picture. I keep note cards on each of my guns because I forget sometimes what gun like what. Federal Bulk ammo's, like Auto Match seem to shoot well in most guns. I've also just started using a 22 ammo gauge to measure the rim thickness. This seperates ammo from the same box into groups with the same rim thickness. This really helps getting the best accuracy from your target guns. Well I'm getting off the subject.

GOOD LUCK

2 dogs · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2007, 09:47:21 AM »

Sorry Graybeard, I would love to, but Im too ignorant. I can send them to you if you like and feel free to post away!

2 dogs · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2007, 09:49:13 AM »

Whoooweeee Lloyd, you better hope our pal Chuck dont see that post above! He may blow a gasket!!!

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #10 on:** July 20, 2007, 01:06:57 AM »

I know pal. Chuck has a love for those 22 mags. Personaly ive never seen much use for them. Im not going to spend 10 bucks a box on ammo when i can load something more effective cheaper. If a guy could get ammo at 5 bucks a box it might be worth it but to me a day with a gun at the range is at least a few hundred rounds and id go broke fast trying to feed on of those things. I know a guy could hold off buying one gun and stock up on ammo but at those prices id still have reservations about blasting 300 rounds up and dumping that unloadable brass on the ground when i could take a 32 or 38 out and do the same thing for the price of powder and primers. Its tough enough getting me to take an ar15 out and blast 500 rounds through it knowing ive got to buy bullets for it when ive got so many other guns i can shoot and have stock piles of bullets on the shelf. To me going to the range with 50 rounds for a gun is about like going without your pants. I know that they have there purpose and make good little trail guns but im just to dammed cheap to feed one.

Quote from: 2 dogs on July 19, 2007, 09:49:13 AM

Whoooweeee Lloyd, you better hope our pal Chuck dont see that post above! He may blow a gasket!!!

Steve P · « **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2007, 08:38:50 AM »

Quote from: Lloyd Smale on July 18, 2007, 11:47:09 PM

something else worth trying is a "PACO" accurazing tool. It is a die that you sit your 22 ammo in and by tapping it with a hammer it bumps up the size of the nose of a 22 shell and at the same time either makes them into a swc or a hp design.

Lloyd, I used a hollow pointer on .22 ammo, but I don't think I'll be hitting any with a hammer.

I have two single sixes and both will shoot 5 shots into inch groups at 25 yards. My 4 5/8" likes CCI Mini Mag HP and my 9" will do it with Win T22, CCI Green Tag, Several of the Eley, etc. Both guns have polished internals and trigger jobs. I used a black marker and marked my cylinder. I then shot each chamber on the cylinder for group. If one chamber was off from the rest, it gets marked and I keep it indexed and empty.

Keep trying ammo, you will find one it likes.

Steve

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #12 on:** July 23, 2007, 11:02:47 AM »

with the paco tool you actually rest the rim on a piece of soft wood. Ive done thousands of them and never had a problem. It actually bumps up the bullet size a tad too and uniforms the bullets and that is where the increase in accuracy comes in.

2 dogs · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2007, 03:32:41 PM »

Not to be a JERK but 2 inches at 25 yards would drive me nuts! You might try a little judicious firelapping.....Ive been amazed at the results....

Racer X · « **Reply #14 on:** July 24, 2007, 01:15:55 PM »

Quote from: 2 dogs on July 23, 2007, 03:32:41 PM

Not to be a JERK but 2 inches at 25 yards would drive me nuts! You might try a little judicious firelapping.....Ive been amazed at the results....

I doubt firelapping will help...the barrel is already oversized to accommodate the larger 22 WRM bullet diameter.

Old Griz · « **Reply #15 on:** July 28, 2007, 07:51:59 PM »

Quote from: Lloyd Smale on July 20, 2007, 01:06:57 AM

I know pal. Chuck has a love for those 22 mags. Personaly ive never seen much use for them. Im not going to spend 10 bucks a box on ammo when i can load something more effective cheaper. If a guy could get ammo at 5 bucks a box it might be worth it but to me a day with a gun at the range is at least a few hundred rounds and id go broke fast trying to feed on of those things. I know a guy could hold off buying one gun and stock up on ammo but at those prices id still have reservations about blasting 300 rounds up and dumping that unloadable brass on the ground when i could take a 32 or 38 out and do the same thing for the price of powder and primers.

I am sooooooo glad to hear someone else say this. I have never understood why anyone would want a .22 mag when you can shoot a .38 for the same price.

pastorp · « **Reply #16 on:** August 19, 2007, 07:19:52 PM »

Old Grizz, not everyone reloads and the 22mag gives them a little more punch. Also the 22mag amo takes up less space in a survival or wilderness setting. Believe me if you can put the bullet where it needs to go you can kill almost anything with a 22mag. JME Byron

fffffg · « **Reply #17 on:** August 21, 2007, 06:45:00 PM »

I guess ill be preaching to the choir.. I finally decided to drop the hammer on the new vaquero .45 lc 7 1/2 inch blued... I went to the first shop that i felt handled them.. trigger good, lockup good, blueing barely acceptable, but fine im just going to wear it off any way.. flutes look centerd on top strap, but strange the two bottom cylinder holes arent centered on the frame.. Maybe the frame is offset......... Give me a light please.. of course they had to look for a bore light for 10 minutes.. I was soon to find out why.. Looking down the bore of the gun i had decided to fall in love with, .......... what !!!!! i can see the cylinder face on one side of the bore?

Wha?

??,, I got ripped on this one with a cimmeron on first goaround. but older and wiser now..... Years ago i found a cast bullet with no grooves on one side, thats how much the cimmaraon p was off.. IN 1870s the machinest could make a pocket watch that was visually perfect.. With gears, screws springs and etc that was truly amazing.. A good watch had diamond endstones on the balance staff, tripple screwed down gold seats with ruby jewels on the ends of the high wear shafts.. NOw with cnc milling machines,and computers, etc etc, they cant drill a hole right.. and index a cylinder... I never had an old smith 6 gun shoot bad.. i have a model 60 2 inch that effortlessly shoots 1 1/2" at 20 yards... Whats with the poor productions any way.. Make em cheap, get em ou the door. sell volumn. the public is stupid... If the japanese were making colt .45s there wouldnt be an american manf that could make it.. I know you didnt want to hear that but look at the cars on the road now.. .there is a huge market out there that wants something made right.. ..dave

Old Griz · « **Reply #18 on:** August 22, 2007, 07:31:22 AM »

Quote from: fffffg on August 21, 2007, 06:45:00 PM

i can see the cylinder face on one side of the bore? Wha???,, I got ripped on this one with a cimmeron on first goaround.

I'm sorry. I know I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, that's why that stick me in with the spoons. I really don't follow this at all. Can someone please explain to this dense old readneck what this means?

Graybeard · « **Reply #19 on:** August 22, 2007, 09:12:05 AM »

Quote from: Old Griz on August 22, 2007, 07:31:22 AM

Quote from: fffffg on August 21, 2007, 06:45:00 PM
i can see the cylinder face on one side of the bore? Wha???,, I got ripped on this one with a cimmeron on first goaround.

I'm sorry. I know I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, that's why that stick me in with the spoons. I really don't follow this at all. Can someone please explain to this dense old readneck what this means?

I admit to having to read it a few times before I felt I understood what the heck he was saying.

Look at the front of the cylinder as the "face" he mentions. Now think of looking down the barrel with a light and instead of looking thru the chamber hole to the back of gun you're looking at a cylinder so out of position you're seeing the hole cocked to the side and part of that cylinder in view. Bottom line the chambers don't line up with barrel.

Old Griz · « **Reply #20 on:** August 22, 2007, 03:28:02 PM »

Thanks Graybeard! That I understand!