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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2007, 01:32:23 AM »
All this debate of wild Africa vs fenced Africa is silly. It's your dime and if you want to hunt the Cape region and shoot a fallow deer go and do it.
 I recently returned from the Selous Reserve in Tanzania. Wilder Africa can not be found in 2007 with the possible exception of some areas in Camerroon. Even there I returned to a tented base camp each evening. Hearing hippos in the river and lions calling each night not 200 yds from where I laid my head.Watching crocs bask in the sun on a sandbar 75 yds from the dinning pavillion.
 In Hemingway's day it would've taken a month on foot to reach this area outside of Dar es Salaam...today it's still a rough 16 drive in a 4x4 truck. I was in camp and eating fdinner 27 hours after I left my home in Pa. some may call that "tame" Africa with  modern travel brining so near today. They forget the hunting remains the same today as it was in Hemingway's life. Wild on foot thru the elephant grass above your head. wind in your face and hearing the buff herds within  30 yds but not being able to see them because of the grass. Or following tracks thru a burn only to slip on unditrubed elephants and take their pictures at 30 yds then resume tracking for several hours only to have the wind foil the hunt at the last moment.
 Yes wild Africa is available today for the price of a 5 animal PG hunt in SA you can hunt buffalo in the Selous. 

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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2007, 06:06:00 PM »
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All this debate of wild Africa vs fenced Africa is silly.

I totally agree!!!  SO WHY THE FUSS?


[/quote]Yes wild Africa is available today for the price of a 5 animal PG hunt in SA you can hunt buffalo in the Selous.
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What's sad, is when the Advertising Banners blatantly turn into the forums.

jro45 had the time of his life.  He did it his way, and yet a moderator on this forum (who happens to be a mod. on other forums, do this time and time again) rained on his proud post.  It's really a shame.

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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2007, 06:12:22 PM »
FYI -

Sorry guys.  In the above post I quoted myself.  I'm not use to this forum.
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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2007, 07:30:48 PM »
Geeze, I've read ALL of Peter Hathaway Capstick's books and now THIS!!
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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2007, 12:47:02 PM »
"All this debate of wild Africa vs fenced Africa is silly"

Yes - it is!

You can have areas - which is fenced - so large that you can`t hunt through it within a day.

In Norway - where I hunt deers and moose - we don`t have any fences - but the areas can be smaller than many areas in SA.
What is the difference when you hunt (not driving with a car)?


Capstick's, Hunter`s books and whatever:  Africa is not what is was at that time!

If you hunt in Zim without the fences: will it be a "wild" hunt compared to SA?

Also there - you will stay in a good and comfortable camp - and don`t miss anything.

 

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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2007, 04:34:16 AM »
JJHack,  I have stated that Africa is made of many different countries and I don't think these guys are miss
 informed. I beleave that you have over stated this fact.

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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2007, 09:59:50 AM »
I really don't know if your telling me something or asking a question of me?  Maybe you could ask me a question or tell me something in a different way so I know what you want?

What I stated prior to this is a fact for you and anyone else interested, some of the game you killed does not live the place you killed it as placed there by God. If that's OK with you then be happy about it. Most folks want to hunt game where is is natural not where it's stocked. Your mileage may very.

The issue of hunting Ibex or Big horn sheep and cape buffalo or water Buffalo in Texas has zero interest to me, and to be quite honest to the great majority of hunters. It's not any different then hunting Gemsbok in the Eastern cape 800 miles from the desert habitat they live natural. No more then  hunting Moose, elk or bison on game farm in Florida would be a legitimate hunt for wild game.

Remember I did not bring this out to you, I simply asked where you were hunting for the animals you killed. Then with the answer this process unfolded throughout the thread. I don't give a rip where people want to hunt, I do think that the outfitter should be honest with them and explain they are not hunting wild natural game. If the hunter is OK with that concept then go for it. It's not hurting my feelings! Why would it?

As far as South Africa only being one of many countries on the African continent ..............well gee wiz! I lived there for a very long time and went to school there, I moved back to the USA  in 1993/94 right before Mandela took over. I own a business there too! I think I have that part of the geography figured out! I have hunted in almost every country from Tanzania south to the cape. So I do understand the area quite well!
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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2007, 02:01:37 PM »
"The issue of hunting Ibex or Big horn sheep and cape buffalo or water Buffalo in Texas has zero interest to me, and to be quite honest to the great majority of hunters. It's not any different then hunting Gemsbok in the Eastern cape 800 miles from the desert habitat they live natural"

Weellll!

I think it is a little difference here!
Cape Buffalo/Oryx in Texas vs. EC in South Africa - is "two different worlds".
Of course - we can debate what species which belong to where - but ........








 

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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2007, 03:21:10 PM »
Sverre how is this topic so complicated?

Gemsbok don't live natural in the EC

nor do the other species live Natural in Texas, or Florida it's what we call in English an "analogy"

If your content with hunting stocked game that's great, but why try to sell the idea to those who don't buy it?

The only reason for this debate between these few people is that they are trying to sell this idea to themsleves and convince themselves that the hunting of non-native species is really Okay as long as it was on the continent of Africa. After all they are from the African continent so it must be natual..........right?

WRONG

They are not natural from the area they were killed, Not any more then shooting a whitetail deer, Nyala, waterbuffalo, tar, pronghorn antelope, Big horn sheep, or Leopard would be in Sweden!

I think hunting game farm stocked animals is fine. I have absolutely no problem with this. I've done it on two occasions with kids. However everybody knew this going into to place.

The problem I have is with the way RSA runs this safari business. They know how uneducated the average American hunter is regarding natural wild game, and they don't tell them what they are hunting has been planted or stocked after being farm raised or trapped and relocated in these consessions. Then these hunters come here and are so embarrassed about what they bought into they actually try to argue the point. Just as is seen right here on this very site!

You're reading about these folks claiming this is not the case, these are natural. There is a whole lot of misinformed folks thinking that because an animal is born someplace that makes it indigenous. Just because it is born there does not make it indigenous and natural.

RSA is simply banking on the fact that Americans don't know what's going on and when they tell the story of the hunt that everyone they tell is also so badly misinformed they also assume that all African game lives all across Africa. Nothing could be further from the truth! African game is just as exclusive to parts of the African continent as big game is exclusive to specific areas of North America.

Changes are in the works, and will take place in our lifetime. There will be a point at which RSA will only allow the hunting of wild natural indigenous species. The plans and new regulations are in the works as I type this. RSA is finally doing the right thing and correcting for the horrible put and take hunting that has been so cheap and degrading to the Safari industry there.

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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2007, 12:21:50 AM »
JJHack, I was aware of this fact that the game was imported into the area. I didn't care they came from Africa and I was hunting in Africa the country. I was witness to Wildabeast being unloaded. So what?

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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2007, 01:32:30 AM »

The only reason for this debate between these few people is that they are trying to sell this idea to themsleves and convince themselves that the hunting of non-native species is really Okay as long as it was on the continent of Africa. After all they are from the African continent so it must be natual..........right?


JJ there really was no debate on the issue at all. A member posted about his recent trip and his enjoyment on it. You quickly posted how he was not really doing the true "Africa experience" as if you took some joy in p!ss!ing on his parade....such behavior from a moderator is to me much worse than shooting a gemsbuck in the EC. Is this and another thread you posted recently your idea of drawing clients to your hunting operation?...pretty sad tactics

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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2007, 03:18:11 AM »
I was only the sixth post in the thread and simply asked if he was sure he was that far south where he hunted.  Others began chiming in with questions and I followed along.

gemsbok, you have been spanked several times on this site for your rude behavior and antics. If you don't enjoy the site move to one of the many others that offer something you do like. I've not typed anything on this site in all the time I've been here that you have not attacked and contradicted. Your soul interest in this site is to disrupt it and argue with me. As you can see I don't care what you try here because I'm much bigger then that. It is however quite an annoyance to the others visiting here.

So for the benefit of the site, either shape up or leave.

I have added a massive level of information here, free of charge, very accurate, and massively helpful to countless people who have been dreaming and planning for a hunt there. This non-indigenous topic is just another example of the kinds of things American, and foreign hunters in general don't understand. I think it's now abundantly clear and something countless potential hunters will question from their outfitter to be certain they are not hunting in a "put and take" operation.

The original poster of this topic has stated now 20 or so posts later, that he saw them unloading game ( wildebeast)for the hunters to kill. This is typical of the EC hunts. Wouldn't you want to know that it was put and take hunting before you flew 1/2 way around the world to hunt there? I think everybody would want to know this. Hence the reason I asked and try to help educate the mass of people here.

I've said countlesss times now, I don't care that people want or  like this hunting, that's fine with me. I just think you should know before you arrive to find they are releasing the game from a truck for you to shoot.

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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2007, 03:30:57 AM »
I follow your thoughts JJHACK.

In Norway - we have 100 000`nds of zools - and they are all over the country. They was brought into the country for generations ago - and all of us look at this animal as a natural specie in our country.

But of course - we are wrong!










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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2007, 03:32:52 AM »
JJ would have been much more tactful if you'd had told the original poster that you were glad he enjoyed his trip. Rather than going on and on about put n take operations and foreign clients whom are dummies for choosing how they wish to spend their cash.

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« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2007, 03:09:42 PM »
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In Norway - we have 100 000`nds of zools - and they are all over the country.
Pardon my ignorance, but what are zools?

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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2007, 08:00:58 PM »
Mustela vison (North American specie)

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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2007, 09:49:58 AM »
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Mustela vison (North American specie)

My Latin's a little rusty.  I'm guessing that's a mink, or maybe some other weasel?

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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2007, 12:45:06 PM »
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Re: Hunting in Africa
« Reply #48 on: August 28, 2007, 05:42:38 AM »
jro45 - Sounds like you had a great experience and a killer hunt.  Good for you.


I think its a shame that someone would want to rain on your parade. 

I too have hunted the Limpopo area and some of the concessions were 50 k acrs.  I never saw a fence the whole day and I hunted/stalked hard but I guess some folks don't see that as "real hunting".

I had less than 2 weeks to hunt 8 animals and RSA was well within my budget.  No way could I have done it free range w/ my time and wallet. 





I really could care less on how I did it.  My experience was amazing and pretty soon I'll have 8 African mounts up on the wall.

I tried a search for you're Outfitter but I couldn't find them.  Do they have a website?









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