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Offline 351 power

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factory loaded cases safe?
« on: July 22, 2007, 11:32:41 AM »
want to try reloading the 6mm rem. looked at some cases from win factory ammo. i fired them in my rifle and about half of them show some stretching, i think, about .25" above the rim. i have some other once fired shells from win that are older that don't have this. all fired in my rifle. the stretched area is like on .303 shells. were they overloaded? they measure 2.756 OAL[unfired] which might be short according to specs i read. will they resize? are they safe? they were 100 gr pp
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Re: factory loaded cases safe?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2007, 02:15:01 PM »
It sounds like you have a head space problem, if indeed you are stretching the case :-\  I would check head space before going any further. You can rent go and no go gages to check it with. If you have had no problems with the rifle in the past then it is probably bulging (not stretching) slightly in the area you are talking about, then it is not uncommon. Factory chambers are cut to the high side (diameter) and factory ammo is to the low side of specs. This is to make sure all factory ammo will fit in the chamber. The problem is that is makes a slight bulge in the area you are talking about. If this is the case then you do not have a stretching problem. When the case stretches, it will have a slightly different color, it will have kind of a narrow bright ring. If it is indeed stretching then the cases are unsafe to reload. If it is a slight bulge it is normal and they are safe to reload. If the cases were over loaded it will not cause the case to stretch in the area you are talking about, if the head space is proper. They will stretch in the head and make primers loose and/or have blown primers, flattened primers is another sign, but that can be misleading. Loose primers and blown primers are a sure sign of way too much pressure. If you really want to check close. Measure the head right above the rim slot (below where you are talking) before shooting and after shooting. There should be very little difference. If there is in the neighborhood of .0003" or more then you are stretching the head and probably have an over pressure situation...no good! Good luck to you ;D
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Re: factory loaded cases safe?
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2007, 08:11:06 PM »
Brass also flows forward as it is used. In my experience softer brass flows more and the neck gets thick as that happens. I have found that older Winchester Super-X brass sometimes did not stretch as much as federal, maybe it was harder? After using those a few times they started cracking, these were only shot and reloaded once. I found this only after trimming and seeing how thick the necks were becoming with each use, thick necks can cause more problems and may need to be turned down, when they get to this point I just throw them away beacuse the case walls get thinner at the same time. I read either here in a posting or in one of Rifles magazines about a way to check inside the case to see if the stretching caused any thinning spots to form. It seemed pretty simple and was checking for rings forming. They were talking about cases breaking off at the base. I like to use Remington brass and Federal brass, I try to keep all of them the same load age for uniformity and check for neck wall thickness as I trim them. The ones that do develope thick neck walls tend to get lighter quicker when I check their weights. It sounded like you had cases of different age. It may be worth it to buy a bag of 100 or so and start with brass the same age and headstamp. I have wondered if there is an advantage to nickel plated brass if it holds up better or not. Maybe someone can answer that for us. Hope this helps, Geo.

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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2007, 03:20:26 AM »
Generally speaking, plated brass is more brittle due to the plating process. The failures usually demonstrate themselves as cracks in the case neck.
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Re: factory loaded cases safe?
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2007, 03:48:22 AM »
Is this stretching or expanding to fit a slightly oversize chamber ?

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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2007, 07:34:32 AM »
I'm guessing the brass is just sizing itself to your chamber. Don't worry about it.  If your want to be real anal, cut a case lengthwise. If there isn't a distinct groove running around the case -on the inside- where you have noted the stretch marks, then it's a nothing.

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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2007, 02:53:34 PM »
  A way to check for the internal ring they are talking about is with a paper clip. straighten the clip and grind /file a sharp point on one end. Bend this end 90 % to form a long L with the short end small enough to fit down the case neck. Insert this "probe" into the case and slowly drag it along the inside of the case. If you feel a "bump" it means the "ring is forming ,and the case is in danger of splitting in that area.  All the new brass seems to be softer now. I have the same problem with 22-250 brass that I bought new some months ago. I think the fact that your chamber and the diameter of the brass is slightly different is the cause. After the clip test ,and finding no "incipient separation" from once fired cases, I'd reload them. You CAN measure the diameter of the old cases in this area and compare it to the NEW cases. Tolerances don't ALWAYS stay the same.
  THEN TOO, YOU could send this brass to me as I have 2 6mm's to feed!

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Re: factory loaded cases safe?
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2007, 05:37:37 AM »
Thanks jhalcott, you said what I was trying to say, I just couldn't remember all of the key points. Thanks again, Geo.