Author Topic: What is your HOME defense weapon? (Read 37577 times)

epanzella · « **Reply #240 on:** January 21, 2009, 07:13:16 AM »

Quote from: Cheesehead on July 29, 2007, 06:40:57 PM

In these days of career criminals, home invasions and murder, you would think they would make the mistake of choosing the wrong home to attack, a well armed home and home owner. I just never here such stories.

Cheese

The media won't let you hear those stories. Join the NRA and every month you can read a dozen exerpts from newspapers around the country depicting John Q Public defeating armed home intruders. Just a short time ago an 11 year old girl shot & killed two armed intruders with a shotgun. They didn't know daddy took her skeet shooting.
You would think that would be plastered all over the evening news, wooncha.
Ed Panzella

jamaldog87 · « **Reply #241 on:** January 21, 2009, 07:21:07 AM »

dbriannelson has made some good points.
(he first thing is too examine yourownself, very carefully, extremely honestly, do the best you can at an honest evaluation of your mental/physical/interpersonal/emotional self.
If you have even the slightest clue that defending yourself too the end results of an up close and personal situation will result in personal mental trauma that you cannot handle---then don't make the attempt and don't own a gun---of any kind.
This experience will never leave you and will never go away--it will always be there. The cost of legal defense is not cheap. There are good ways too keep burglars from finding easy entry that will not result in confrontation and they should be investigated and used.
Burglary is an experience that will leave you haunted and feeling molested also.
IF--a big IF--you do all of the above and find yourself willing and able
Then arm yourownself and shoot the bastard.
Blessings)

i just want to add my 2 cents. there was a story on the new not too long ago about someone and there dog. there was someone trying to get into this man home, well he had a dog and the dog attack this robber and the cops got him. well the guy had a full auto AK-47 with him and some tool for B@E and he got put in jail. well the man with his dog got sue and he won but he lost his dog. they say he used his dog as a "dangers weapon" to attack the person so it a dangers dog and was put down. It's does not matter what you do, there going to be problems. I was jumped by 3 guys for my cash nd i took out 2(hand to hand) and the cops acted like i did a crime, but i am still here. would i want have problems from the cops, no , but money can be replaced, your life can't.

as it says in the good book " a man that is well armed, his family is truly safe"

AtlLaw · « **Reply #242 on:** January 21, 2009, 07:56:47 AM »

Quote from: epanzella on January 21, 2009, 07:13:16 AM

Just a short time ago an 11 year old girl shot & killed two armed intruders with a shotgun. ...You would think that would be plastered all over the evening news, wooncha.

Hey Ed, if you're talking about that story that makes the rounds of the internet every once in a while, it's an urban legand. http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp I've seen a lot of variations of it, including yours, but I would like it to be true for once!

SharonAnne · « **Reply #243 on:** January 21, 2009, 11:58:17 AM »

jimster, 2 things; 1. what area of Michigan? 2. I cannot read your yellow print

jimster · « **Reply #244 on:** January 21, 2009, 12:43:11 PM »

SararonAnne....I could not read the yellow either...what was I thinking?

"if you shoot and kill somebody in your house and its justified, be ready to spend at least $100,000 per bullet in court costs."

I'm from South of Grand Rapids area...SW Michigan. Kent County Prosecutor William Forsyth is the guy here that has been good to the people who have been in involved in self defense situations if it was clear they were in the right. He also did crack down on a person who shot his weapon with no clear target and who's life was not in danger, so it sounds like he is following the laws and is fair enough.

Jim

Mohawk · « **Reply #245 on:** January 21, 2009, 08:07:19 PM »

A tuxedo colored bunny rabbit. Anything that startles her at night she thumps her back feet(a rabbit's natural reaction to danger, cottontails do it too) which is very loud. Imagine slamming a tennis racquet as hard as you can, landing it flush against the ground. I guess she's a night watchman rabbit. And Lord help any burglar if he gets between her and a carrot or stalk of celery, or worse yet, tries to pick her up(rabbits don't like that). He can sit in a jail cell, or ER, and remember the days when he still had nerves in his hands and distinguishable fingerprints, because a rabbit's hind legs and nails are nothing but pure weapons. She a good girl. Great alarm system. Just don't leave your socks laying around. She steals them and I don't know what she does with them.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #246 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:05:54 AM »

williamlayton · « **Reply #247 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:31:56 AM »

Thumper the unfriendly rabbit. Bet Disney won't pick up that story.
It was good and I enjoyed.
Use what you got.
Blessings

williamlayton · « **Reply #248 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:50:37 AM »

I have made some very important decisions. This is me, I do not and cannot reccommend the same for anyone else.
I have been burgled. It left a taste in my mouth and feelings in my heart.
I was just minutes away from walking in on it.
Much more important--I was expecting too find my son at home when I got there. We were going to somewhere together and he was about 12/13 at the time.
I had called ahead and left a message on the recorder that I was running lat but would be there in just a few minutes and it must have freighted the burglar off.
I still think of the possibilities if it had been my wife, daughter, or son that walked in on him that afternoon.
I hate a thief. I may be the only one left too tell the story.
Blessings

Mohawk · « **Reply #249 on:** January 22, 2009, 06:23:08 AM »

Quote from: williamlayton on January 22, 2009, 01:31:56 AM

Thumper the unfriendly rabbit. Bet Disney won't pick up that story.
It was good and I enjoyed.
Use what you got.
Blessings

Um.....yes, she is like this,seriously!, humor was kept to a minimum.

What a pet! I named her "Chalupa" since I saw her ad at a Taco Bell drive thru. And yes, Mr. Layton makes a good point. A burglar is a piece of trash, in short. It would be better for Chalupa to steal his socks then come across me in defense of myself or a loved one. Nobody ever wants to open up with the firearm and "walk it in", but facing a grand jury is still less detrimental than going to a loved one's funeral.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #250 on:** January 22, 2009, 07:48:23 AM »

William, that is a dangerous thing to have on record. You are NOT entitled to kill anyone. You may shoot to stop their behavior. It must be irrelevant if they die. Shooting many times to stop the perpetrator is a good way to make them stop. Please, shoot to stop. And be know to say that you shoot to stop. Your statement could get you prison time. A prosecutor could take that statement as say "see, he was just waiting for the chance to kill someone, anyone"

Mohawk · « **Reply #251 on:** January 22, 2009, 08:30:49 AM »

Sharon, I don't think that Mr. Layton meant that as you described.

epanzella · « **Reply #252 on:** January 22, 2009, 10:12:58 AM »

Quote from: Mohawk on January 22, 2009, 08:30:49 AM

Sharon, I don't think that Mr. Layton meant that as you described.

I think Sharon is pointing out that it doesn't matter what he meant, what matters is the way a dipstick DA would spin it to make a name for himself. If you say in front of witnesses, "man, I cudda killed my wife last nite the way she burned my steak" Everybody knows you didn't mean that literally but your wife better not turn up dead or you've got problems.
Ed Panzella

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #253 on:** January 22, 2009, 11:26:27 AM »

A cop friend told me, if I did shoot someone in the house to continue to yell Stop! Don't resist! even while shooting.
Then when he/ she (don't want to be sexist

Altlaw would have pointed it out

) hits the floor go get towels and put them on him, get the first aid kit and open it, wait till you know they are gone. Then call 911. If they ask why the delay between the shots and the call (neighbors will probably call) you can say you were trying to save them with 1st aid. Wear rubber gloves, Don't want any nasty bugs from them.
But not that I have said that... I guess it's out for me to use. Gosh darn computer records and DA's with ambitions.

Graybeard · « **Reply #254 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:53:14 PM »

Personally I think it is foolish to predict what you will do when the time comes should it ever come your way. For one thing going on record that you will do this or that is not smart if you find yourself in court and the prosecutor digs up your brag of what you'd do. But more importantly I don't think any of us who have not yet been in such a situation actually know how we'll react. I sure don't.

I hope I'll make the right decision based on the particular set of circumstances I face if that time should ever come. I will be prepared with self defense guns readily available but hope I never have to find out what I'll do in that time of crisis life or death situation.

williamlayton · « **Reply #255 on:** January 22, 2009, 05:25:19 PM »

I think Sharonanne and GB are correct.
I modified the post too more accurately define my intentions.
Gonna be hard too do with the 870 12Ga. though.
Blessings

Skunk · « **Reply #256 on:** January 22, 2009, 05:44:01 PM »

Quote from: williamlayton on January 22, 2009, 05:25:19 PM

Gonna be hard too do with the 870 12Ga. though.

I don't know William. For close quarters combat like inside a house, a 12GA. pump might just be the perfect weapon.

teddy12b · « **Reply #257 on:** January 23, 2009, 02:13:09 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard on January 22, 2009, 01:53:14 PM

I will be prepared with self defense guns readily available but hope I never have to find out what I'll do in that time of crisis life or death situation.

That's the biggest reason I have a shotgun under my bed. To hear a pistol go "click-click" is one thing. Hearing a shotgun go "kathunk-kathunk" is whole different sound that will carry better throughout the house. I don't think burglars are hard workers and when they hear that sound they're going to it won't be worth the efforts.

Syncerus · « **Reply #258 on:** January 23, 2009, 02:41:14 AM »

Back to the original question:

I keep my 10 ga BPS turkey gun under the bed loaded with 00 buck. I've tested the ammo and it has comparatively low penetration. I believe that it's more powerful and much safer than any handgun.

I also have a yappy dog who sleeps outside my bedroom door. He's the alarm clock.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #259 on:** January 23, 2009, 02:53:03 AM »

It is said that it takes on average 45 seconds from the time the bad guy bust thru. the front door ( or other entry door ) until they reach most master bed rooms . You will in some cases wake up to the crash , figure out what is going down , go into gear , build up rage , retrive your weapon and face the bad guy . That is if you are asleep in the master bed room , worst case .

jro45 · « **Reply #260 on:** January 23, 2009, 03:29:32 AM »

My home defence weapon is two have several guns spread around my house fully loaded.
10mm, 357, 9mm are a few.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #261 on:** January 23, 2009, 09:13:31 AM »

I did not misunderstand william. I was taking a prosecutors outlook at the statement. I know he meant well but it is not what we mean but what we say. Say it the right way often enough and God forbid that the evil should arise, you will still say and do the right thing.

I have been in defensive situations twice. Once physical; once with a firearm. No shots were fired. In each case when it was over I was shaking like a leaf in the wind. I was dizzy and could not speak coherently. That is no time to be trying to explain what happened.

Another time I was involved in a traffic stop of a violent drunk driver. This man was huge and resisting arrest. The small police officer drew her pistol and put the barrel on the bridge of his nose. I was 45 degrees behind the perpetrator. I was sure she was going to shoot and I would have brains, scalp, skull and blood all over me. I rapidly ducked for cover. After he was subdued, the officer came over to talk to me and I could hardly talk. The adrenalin buzz was almost debilitating. I had to wait a couple of minutes to calm down enough to speak coherently. Such a huge reaction and I didn't shoot anyone.

I have no doubt that, God forbid it should happen, I will be a mess and need time to compose myself. As I said in another thread, tell the officer you will be glad to talk to them after you talk to your lawyer. This most importantly will give you time to compose yourself.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #262 on:** January 23, 2009, 09:29:15 AM »

I too had to defend myself twice, once to stop a strongarm carjacking, and the other to stop a drunk with a broken bottle from getting my wallet. Long story short, I did not have to fire any shots, I nor my family were not harmed, and the offenders got away.

Everything happened very fast, with no time really to think, but rather react to my practice drills. Both instances were over in a matter of seconds, but the adrenaline rush along with the relief that it was over left me lightheaded, rubber legged, wanting to puke. the first time happened at midnight. I stayed awake all night with anxiety. The second time happened at 430 in the afternoon. I didnt get to sleep until about 3 am that night.

Any event which you must defend yourself will impact your emotions and thinking ability for a while. If you trained/practiced in your techniques hopefully they will come into play and to your advantage.

I hope I never have to defend while at home but hopefully practice will take over should the time come.

Syncerus · « **Reply #263 on:** January 23, 2009, 09:44:32 AM »

It's worth repeating that one should seek legal counsel before saying anything to anyone. My CHL teacher emphasized the key nature of this point. You will be exceedingly upset and are likely to phrase things poorly in the confusion that follows a defensive shooting. All it takes is an anti-carry DA with a bit of ambition and your life can be ruined. As they say in the ring, "protect yourself at all times."

Don't expect the system to be either sane or fair.

epanzella · « **Reply #264 on:** January 23, 2009, 01:32:02 PM »

Don't rely on people investigating an incident to come up with a reasonable conclusion. Many years ago my son had an accidental discharge in the house while trying to clear a defective factory round that had jammed in his Glock while at the range. While working on the gun he had it pointed down at a 45 degree angle into the vacant lot next door. Upon discharge the round went thru the sheetrock, insulation, plywood and siding. The 9mm slug deflected almost parrallel with the ground while going thru the plywood which allowed it to traverse the vacant lot and hit a house on the other side. When I called the neighbor to tell him what had happened (he was home but didn't know) and to tell him I would repair his siding he thanked me. His wife, however, called the police. In the subsequent interview the investigating officer (who was the police armorer in that town) was told by my son that he had the gun pointed down in a safe direction when it went off. The officer the went to the entrance hole in the wall and stuck a pen into it, pointing the pen right at the neighbors house. I thought that was odd but said nothing. An hour later we get a call that my son was being charged with reckless endangerment because the gun was NOT pointed in a safe direction but was pointed directly at the neighbors house! At this point I totally freaked out and insisted that they revisit the scene for a more accurate investigation. The same officer arrived but this time with his sargeant and we proceeded to my sons room. Without saying a word, I took a 36 inch cleaning rod and put it into the entrance hole and out the exit hole, clearly showing that the bullet was on a steep down angle when it went thru the wall. The sargeant looked out the window at the rod, gave a less than complimentary look at the investigating officer, and said the charge will be dropped. Sorry for the long post but I just want to impress upon people don't ever leave your fate in the hands of someone else and walk away, even if they SEEM like they know what they're doing.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #265 on:** January 26, 2009, 04:07:53 AM »

Quote from: SharonAnne on June 05, 2008, 04:49:56 AM

44,I have not. Each of my shotguns, an 870 and an 1100, are 2 3/4".

Maybe if enough of us ask Winchester, Remington or Federal for 20 pellet 2 3/4" #1B we can get one of them to make a run. The Federal was supposedly the best round since it had a plastic shot cup and granular filler. Winchester has granular filler but no shot cup. I believe Remington is the same.

I could not find ANY buckshot for civilians from Federal. Police only. Remington has one load, product code - 12B1. It is 2 3/4" 16 pellets of #1Buckshot. Winchester has 2 loads, one each 2 3/4" and 3". XB121 for the 2 3/4" 16 pellet load and XB1231 for the 3" 24 pellet load of #1Buck.

Pickins are gittin slim

SharonAnne and others looking for #1 buck. I went to the SHOT show and saw two new(to me) loads with #1 buck in it. They are made by Centurion. http://www.dkgtrading.com/centurion/cenbuck.html

The first is a buck and ball load (single 69 cal ball behind six #1 buck) at 1300 fps. the second is a short 2" round with twelve #1 buck at about 1250 fps. Anyone seen or used these rounds?

SharonAnne · « **Reply #266 on:** January 26, 2009, 05:25:19 AM »

I have not used them. I would be very careful about trusting them to save my life. A 2" shell may not cycle properly through a pump and may not cycle the action on a gas operated shotgun. I would have to put 100 rds through each type of gun before I would trust the load for personal defense.

I will, for now, just stick with the Remington and Winchester 2 3/4" 16 pellet #1 buck loads.

hunt-m-up · « **Reply #267 on:** January 26, 2009, 07:19:46 AM »

Back to the original ?
#1 My wife--God help anyone who tries to rouse her at 2 AM and catches that verbal flamethrower
#2 Beretta 390 with 3" C-plated 5's
#3 Hi-Point 995 with holo sight--sure I'll take some crap for this one

This discussion has caused me to rethink my reaction should this ever happen in my home. I always thought it should be like hunting any dangerous game...pull the trigger until it stopped moving. I guess that can be a problem in court.

jamaldog87 · « **Reply #268 on:** January 26, 2009, 07:53:22 AM »

Quote from: hunt-m-up on January 26, 2009, 07:19:46 AM

Back to the original ?
#1 My wife--God help anyone who tries to rouse her at 2 AM and catches that verbal flamethrower
#2 Beretta 390 with 3" C-plated 5's
#3 Hi-Point 995 with holo sight--sure I'll take some crap for this one

This discussion has caused me to rethink my reaction should this ever happen in my home. I always thought it should be like hunting any dangerous game...pull the trigger until it stopped moving. I guess that can be a problem in court.

i was going to get a gun for HOME defense but because i live in housing and so i can't(i could anyways but i am not). So, i keep some bear spray with a mini mag light mounted on it and also a baton by my bed. I have many weapons in my room( from airguns to zip knifes) cause i collect weapons so all if have to do is take my pick. i did keep a my 12GA noble hunting shotgun with rubbed buck shot for the first round and steel buck in the mag were we used to live.

coop4u2c · « **Reply #269 on:** April 07, 2009, 10:40:16 AM »

Springfield XD-45 5" Bi-Tone w/Insight M6X laser/light combo loaded w/ Hornady 200gr XTP +P!!!