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Your national sovereignty is at stake.
« on: July 24, 2007, 09:01:28 AM »
I have watch Bush closely over the past 14-15 years, and am of the opinion that he would sell us out in a minute to foster a tighter relationship with Mexico.  It makes you wonder what his adgenda actually is.


Immigration Deception Reveals SPP Threat to America  
Family Security Matter : July 19 , 2007 -- by John Lewandoski  
    
"It is hoped that the reader is stirred enough to contact Washington legislators to demand accountable, limited government in America, and complete uncovering, inspection, and removal of the SPP."

     When the common sense approach to a public issue is conspicuously avoided by Washington power brokers, it's a good time to suspect ulterior motives. Such is the case with our Mexican border and why it "can't" be secured. Bottom line: border control is not designed to remedy the security problem. Rather, the border is designed to be eliminated.
 
  
Unnoticed by much of mainstream America, there is an unholy cabal that's slithering past them. Among the geo-economic power elite in Washington, with our President at the core, is an effort that if not averted will, by 2010 or thereabouts, lead America into a hardened amalgam of tri-national partnership, and eventually into international organization. The result of this could, and more likely will, be the abolishment of our Constitution and national sovereignty; i.e., America in name, but a "nation-less" country. It appears that Mr. Bush doesn't want a common border between Mexico and the U.S., and thus is doing his best to win and maintain favor with the Mexican government and its people, who have everything to gain by border dissolution.
 
  
A recent and firm clue that the President is willing to go to extreme ends to maintain this Mexican favor is the Ramos/Compean border agent case that has slapped two U.S. Border Agents with federal penitentiary terms of over a decade each, all as a result of a flagrant miscarriage of justice perpetrated against them by the Bush Administration. Just ask any of the 70 congressmen who signed legislation in January 2007, introduced by Congressman Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.), calling for a reversal of the outrageous convictions, and that the two agents be freed from jail immediately. As of July 2007, no public action whatsoever has been taken by the President to comply. Worse, facilitating the convictions were the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security, the total machinations of which produced the sham case and trial resulting in the sentences. [For much more detail, do a "Ramos Compean" Google-search or see -- article "Invasion USA Ignacio Ramos reported in 'emaciated' condition."
 
  
What is it that makes this President defy common-sense conduct...

 
  
* by not wanting border security tightly (and easily) implemented, especially in a post- 9/11 environment?
 
  
* by pandering to corrupt, ill-run Mexican administrations when he should be protecting America from such things?
 
  
* by going to inexplicable lengths to use his power to facilitate incrimination of U.S. Government Border Agents in favor of Mexican appeasement?
 
  
Answer: largely, it's the Security Prosperity Partnership (SPP). You may have heard the term SPP, but my guess is that unless you frequent credible alternative news sources, this may be your first exposure.
 
  
Back on March 23, 2005, in Waco, Texas, President Bush, then-President Vicente Fox of Mexico and Paul Martin, then-Prime Minister of Canada, met at a summit meeting to enter into an agreement between the three countries that is designed, trilaterally, to bring "security, partnership, and prosperity" to these three North American land masses. Critics, however, believe that the agreement will do nothing more than join these lands commonly together, erase northern and southern U.S. borders and form a North American continental perimeter instead. They further believe that the idea is to proceed rapidly forward as the next step in the process of NAFTA and CAFTA, both of which propel these three countries toward the North American Union (NAU) and some say ultimately to integration with the overarching New World Order or One World Government.
 
  
This isn't an Orwellian novel. It appears the idea here, via the SPP, is to make this transition gradually, incrementally and generally unnoticed, for were it to be revealed as it should be, I'd suspect there'd be civil uprisings nationwide. When it does come under scrutiny, the SPP firmly denies its aims are ultimately toward the NAU, but the framework and underlining implications of the SPP scream otherwise.
 
  
Nonetheless, the SPP has a dedicated following and support, as revealed in Marcela Sanchez's recent Washington Post column, all of which indicates SPP is doing a fine job of convincing some of its "public-spirited" intents. In short, the SPP is so well crafted it appears to promote altruistic "progressive" outcomes no one in his right mind would refute - that is, if one believes the hype. Columnist Sanchez points out, after all, SPP goals such as "...leaders (President Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and Mexican President Felipe Calderon) are expected to announce an integrated strategy to combat pandemics..." ; and "...trilateral regulatory cooperation framework, meant to enhance competitiveness, while maintaining high standards of health and safety". She also states the SPP makes "...no mention of erasing borders and establishing a separate legal system, (or) adopting a single currency..." Well, of course it doesn't, even though those tenets are clearly inferred. Has Ms. Sanchez reviewed the European Union's (EU) structure lately? The parallel between it and what's brewing here in Washington is strikingly similar.
 
  
Why is the Washington Post promoting SPP support while other qualified journalists counter the Post's position diametrically, stating that through cunning and design, the SPP is actually an evolving press conference which has already produced signed documents that constitute an agreement (although the SPP indicates no "agreement", per se, was ever signed. The SPP is carefully not a law or treaty, because those actions must involve Congressional approval and ratification. So, it appears that our president knowingly side-stepped constitutional protocol by operating a deception to avoid exposure to the other arms of government and, of course, to the American people...at least at this stage of the game.
 
  
A good "home" for this new agreement between the three countries then was found in the U.S. Dept. of Commerce. From there, the White House manages many working groups, and according to distinguished historian/writer, Dr. Jerome Corsi, the groups are within the Department of Commerce (DOC); exactly what the relationship is to the DOC, however, is unknown to the general public. The DOC highly refutes direct DOC oversight, stating SPP is a "...White House-led initiative...". But it is interesting that the "big three" directly responsible for SPP development under the President are Carlos Gutierrez, Secretary of Commerce, Condolzeza Rice, Secretary of State, and Michael Chertoff, Secretary of Homeland Security.
 
  
Something of a counter-constitutional stench is wafting out of Washington if we start connecting dots the mainline media are ignoring by ignorance, bias, or neglect. Even the SPP's own website provides their organizational framework of the SPP. Included are the Departments of Energy, Transportation, Health & Human Services and more-- all cabinet level reporting groups that report to aforementioned Gutierrez, Rice, and Chertoff. And paralleling the US team, assisting in this overall developmental effort, are the parallel governmental bureaucracies of Mexico and Canada.
 
  
So what we have metastasizing in Washington, unbeknownst to the general public, are policy making groups, appointed officials, committees, advisory boards and essentially trilateral, parliamentary councils all hard at work in restructuring (destroying, actually) our U.S. constitutional way of American life to create a new world order, pure and simple. Too bold a statement? Although the SPP denies any infringement on our Constitution, the ultimate and inevitable outcome of any combined, tri-lateral/national construct, by definition, can mean nothing less than a re-written tri-national document.
 
  
These working groups compose a "shadow government", or a parallel of our Founding Father's constitutional bureaucracy that includes bureaucracies of the other two North American countries in the process. The eventual result of this new, comparable, trilateral bureaucracy is the fear, and some say certainty, that our U.S. laws and regulations will be rewritten to harmonize with those of Mexico and Canada -- and all this, now, being accomplished in the Executive arm of U.S. Government, all without congressional oversight or review!
 
  
Our continually eroding Constitution, in Article 1, Section 1, declares that all legislative powers shall be vested in the Congress of the U.S. But Congress has abdicated its responsibility by allowing the Executive branch, by means of the SPP, to steal law-making authority to which it's not entitled. Just recently, as the Senate's immigration bill bit the dust, inserted in that bill -- by parties unknown -- was an after-the-fact endorsement of the SPP scheme.
 
  
The credible journalist/editor, Cliff Kincaid, of www.aim.org states, "... The White House was most likely behind this stealth attempt to get Congress to approve SPP, which forms the basis of the North American Union (NAU)." (aim.org report, July 9, 2007). This ram-through legislation is precisely what seasoned constitutional journalists all along have predicted would precipitate SPP congressional approval. Although the SPP maneuver was included in the now dead immigration bill, don't remotely assume it, too, is dead; it's only in a coma, certain to be revived for another stealth presentation snow-job by the same "parties unknown" who placed it there this time around.
 
  
Thus is the general overview of the SPP currently buzzing in our Department of Commerce. It is hoped that the reader is stirred enough to contact Washington legislators to demand accountable, limited government in America, and complete uncovering, inspection, and removal of the SPP.
 
  
Your national sovereignty is at stake.

 
  

 
  
 
 
  
        
  
 
 
  

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Re: Your national sovereignty is at stake.
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2007, 01:50:08 PM »
I personally think that Bush sold us out long ago. I have never liked his immigration program and I don't like his way of turning a deaf ear to the citizens of this country when they express what they want.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2007, 01:16:03 AM »
Told ya and this is for real...have you seen the most recent executive order?  People talk and whine about how the Dems are commies, but what they don't get or research is who the neocons running the GOP really are. They are Trotskyites,,,do the research.

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." --Marcus Tullius Cicero 42B.C.

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We certainly have a nation full of tratiors......

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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2007, 05:08:12 AM »
Thank heaven we've got you guys watching and apprising us of all the conspiracy plots that are about to take us down.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2007, 03:57:25 PM »
TM-7, Like Magooch, I'm thankful too.

And, seeing how Cicero, Trotsky, Corsi, NAFTA,NAU,CAFTA, NeoCons,CODEX, etnic cleansing, and yada-yada-yada-yada-yada "ad nauseum" (your words) can be so precisely combined and relevantly interwoven into clear, cogent logic is an added bonus.

So enlightening!  Thanks again!

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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2007, 04:23:36 PM »
magooch thinks that the Dems and their attack on Constitution, is JUST A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION on what it means. Or at least that what he has said on another thread. HE LIKES GEORGE and thinks we should give him the benefit of the doubt. GEORGE IS SMART.
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2007, 02:57:36 AM »
What, you guys can't take a compliment?  I said it was good that you fellas were on watch.  I certainly don't have the time--well, I do--but I don't have the desire to spend my time keeping track of all the boogie men who are working their evil deeds.

There is one thing though that has me confused; is Dubya stupid, or is he a duplicitous genius, capable of orchestrating all of these clandestine plots.

As for the Dumbycrats and their view of the Constitution, what are we to do about that except to hope that they don't gain enough power to subvert it any further than they have?  They probably think that my stubborn adherence to the original Constitution is dangerous and anti-social. 
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Re: Your national sovereignty is at stake.
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2007, 04:36:25 AM »
Gee whiz, TM-7.  You get complimented twice and you unloose another powerful barrage of mega-logic.  :'( :'( :'(

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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2007, 03:27:50 PM »
Methinks that tm7 needs a new tin foil hat, this ones leaking. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2007, 03:24:19 AM »
Speak english tm7, we might understand you better. POWDERMAN.  :D :D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2007, 09:58:32 AM »
bush for sure would sell hunter out. That's what I think is kinda funny about people that are far left or right on the political spectrum, they some how feel that the party or candidate has the same views they do. The simple fact is that politicians don't really care one way or the other all they care about is getting votes. This country has long been sold out to companies like Dupont, Halliburton, and Dubai. To think that a politician cares about you keeping your guns, or jobs is laughable.
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2007, 04:23:20 AM »
TM7, I accept the idea that Dubya doesn't have the same view of immigration as I do, but I don't believe his interest is in selling out the country--no more than Ronald Reagan did.  I didn't like anything about amnesty then and I don't like it now.

I try to keep in mind that just about everything in print, on the radio, TV, or what-have-you isn't necessarily what it seems--especially when it's filtered through some journalist.  In my own experience, I've yet to see a story in the paper that truly represents what happened (having been an eye-wittness) and this is on subjects that are in no way controversial, or political.  The media is full of opinon pieces and I think that all too often the news is just that--opinion.  So, I'm not going to get my shorts in a bunch over some jounalist's, or hack's opinions.  Anyway, I'm very pleased that there are those who scan what's out there and let the rest of us know what might be brewing.

 Don't think that I'm not sincere, TM7, when I say to you that I thank you for the service you render, but at the same time, I try to stay objective and skeptical.  If at times I am somewhat critical of your conclusions--that's just me and I don't mean to be mean-spirited.  Keep up the good work.
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2007, 01:34:34 PM »
Marxist theory at work.....

Study Marx and you'll get the idea.......
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2007, 12:35:34 PM »
Are we victims of our own ignorance because we have no fear?

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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2007, 03:24:01 AM »
And this guy, a bit of a firebrand, maintains ethinic cleansing is now happening full scale in the USA.  Beware of manditory diversity training at school and work from the politiburo.

Ethnic cleansing American style de facto....

http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty278.htm

This guy seems a bit off his rocker.  From skimming this article he seems to assert that because there are a alot of "foreigners" visible when he goes down the street (read as: non-whites.  I seriously doubt he got out and spoke to any number of them to see if they had immigrated legally or even spoke with an accent) that ethnic cleansing is taking place.

Ethnic cleansing has nothing to do with loosing majority status.  It is the systematic extermination (through killing) of a race for who they are.  That is not what's going on here, and calling what IS happening "ethnic cleansing" is as bad as calling a Ruger Mini-14 an "assault rifle".  It's a made up and scary sounding term meant to scare the populace at large.  Journalistic sensationalism at it's best. 

Personally, I think something should be down about all the illegal immigration, but I also think it should be easier for one to immigrate here (legally) if one so desires.  Require that they pass an English language test and send their children to schools where english is taught (not so much to eliminate any foreign cultural influence, but moreso to better facilitate intra-country communication).  Then they register for SSN#'s and work legally like everyone else.  Raise minimum wage to $7, maybe $8.  That'll go a lot farther than amnesty programs or fences.

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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2007, 04:06:59 AM »
.  Raise minimum wage to $7, maybe $8.  That'll go a lot farther than amnesty programs or fences.

MG, would you care to expound on this a little.  If raising the minimum wage would solve the illegal immigration problem, I would be all for it, but wouldn't that just create even more incentive for those who reside in low wage countries to try to come here?  I think the minimum wage in my state is in the $7.00 range and that sure hasn't slowed the number of illegals coming here.  Of course, I can't prove they're illegal, but if it looks like a duck (wetback) and quacks (speaks) like a duck.... 
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2007, 04:24:40 AM »
MG, would you care to expound on this a little.  If raising the minimum wage would solve the illegal immigration problem, I would be all for it, but wouldn't that just create even more incentive for those who reside in low wage countries to try to come here?  I think the minimum wage in my state is in the $7.00 range and that sure hasn't slowed the number of illegals coming here.

Raising minimum wage isn't a solution to illegal immigration.   It's PART of an overall solution.  I think we should crack down on illegals.  Ship them back when we catch them.  Heavy fines (maybe jail time) for anyone who hires an illegal immigrant.  At the same time though, I think that we should make it possible for many of these people to come over LEGALLY if they so desire.  Reduce the paperwork and effort and such.  Raising the minimum wage just helps make it fair for them and existing citizens to make a living once they're here (I know of very few places where you can even afford rent, food, water, and electricity on minimum wage - to me that means it should be raised). 

Of course, I can't prove they're illegal, but if it looks like a duck (wetback) and quacks (speaks) like a duck.... 

I've got a friend who is of mexican descent, works construction, and speaks fluent Spanish when around his family.  Bet you'd think he's illegal too, but you'd be wrong.  His parents immigrated legally, he was born here, and speaks English with a regular southern accent.  You can't go by the "looks like duck" philosophy and call it anything but racism.  That's not a jab at you personally, but it's a fine line to walk between slipping from being against illegal immigrants to being against Mexicans (or those of Mexican heritage) in general.

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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2007, 06:12:02 AM »
Numbers is the major issue with the illegals.  We don not have the LEOs, detention centers, or courts to handle the vast number currently here.  Short of a miracle, one that would cause them to go home on their own, riding America of illegal aliens will be a long time process.

I did read in the local "news rag" this morning that some action is being started to locate those involved in SSN fraud, and that employers will be fined if they knowingly hire an illegal, or anyone that is using a phony SSN.  This puts a lot of responsibility on employers, and places them in a position of enforcing something that is almost imposable for them to detect.

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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2007, 04:52:59 AM »
I see it as a plain and simple invasion.  The way to stop an invasion is to shoot the invaders at the border and put a bounty on those who have made it further in.  Is that PC enough for everyone?
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2007, 08:51:03 AM »
Are we victims of our own ignorance because we have no fear?

Well, frankly speaking, in many ways. YES!
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