Author Topic: Win PowerPoint or Rem Core-lokt? (Read 4165 times)

JimG · « **on:** July 27, 2007, 12:57:04 PM »

If accuracy is exactly the same, price is the same to the penny, which would you shoot?

Remington Express Core-lokt 150gr. .308Win
Winchester Super-X PowerPoint 150gr. .308Win

These two loads are the most accurate from my Howa. Game is deer at 150 yards or less and small-medium black bear at 100 yards or so. Might some day try for something else but that what I'm using the Howa for right now. Which of the two is the most dependable/reliable on game animals?

AkRvrrat · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2007, 01:14:00 PM »

anytime one mentions this question it is always answered -either one. they both are a cup and core and both do a good job within reason. Larger game animals I would move to a better designed bullet for speed and impact ie...Noslers, Swift, Woodleigh, Barnes etc.......

ms · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2007, 01:42:03 PM »

I have killed game with both I like core-lokt better.

30-30man · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2007, 02:31:34 PM »

Winchester ammo has always came through for me. It has always been highly accurate in most of my rifles which include more than a few calibers. Winchester all the way! To be fair to the big GReen which I hate at the moment, the only bad box of shells I ever bought were Hornady. I had 10 duds out of 20 in a box of 30-30. Go Figure?

Mac11700 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2007, 02:35:17 PM »

Quote from: JimG on July 27, 2007, 12:57:04 PM

If accuracy is exactly the same, price is the same to the penny, which would you shoot?

Remington Express Core-lokt 150gr. .308Win
Winchester Super-X PowerPoint 150gr. .308Win

These two loads are the most accurate from my Howa. Game is deer at 150 yards or less and small-medium black bear at 100 yards or so. Might some day try for something else but that what I'm using the Howa for right now. Which of the two is the most dependable/reliable on game animals?

I sold my next door neighbor my restock NEF 308 Survivor..He has used the 150 gr. Winchester power points on 18 whitetail...He only lost 1 due to some one getting to it first on public land and tagging it...He sold it to his brother so he could go get a Browning A-bolt in 270 wsm...Mean while his brother has already taken 6 deer with it...all with the Winchester 150 gr.power points...all 23 deer taken at 300 yards or less...all of them dropped within a few yards of being shot...except for the one that got stolen...it was at 350 yards across a swollen creek.....My neighbor felt it let him down by it running about 50 yards...and wanted something with a little better long range capability...go figure

...Go with the Winchester...

PS...he's taken 5 deer with the short mag at about the same yardages...He's gotten a-lot of blood shot meat...and they don't drop near as well as they did before...and so he really wants my old 308 back...and his brother just laughs at him...Life's funny that way

Mac

.308 Win. · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2007, 03:37:25 PM »

My experience has been this: I have both shot deer and media with Remington Core-Lokt bullets. I'm not impressed with their performance. I shot into wet newspaper from 100 yards and the core was anything but "lokt." On no one single bullet did I find the jacket and core remained together. The deer I shot was with a .270 from a Remington 700 BDL at about 80 yards. I found small spots of bright red and frothy looking blood indicating a lung shot which is where I was aiming. I looked for four hours on hands and knees, then made making progressively wider circles when the blood ran out and still could not recover that deer and I had two people helping me to boot.
With the Winchester Power Point bullet shot into the same media, 7/10 bullets retained bullet integrity, meaning the core and jacket did not separate. I used to use a .30/30 with 150 grain Winchester hollow point bullets and God as my witness, every time I shot a deer with them, they just went down. Open them up and pour them out. I'm sold on the Winchester, hands down.

poncaguy · « **Reply #6 on:** July 27, 2007, 03:52:35 PM »

90% of the deer I shot with my 270 with the 130 grain Remingtons dropped in their tracks, but, I would use which ever one shot best in my rifle. I now use Federal Fusions or Hornady Lite Mags..........

Cheesehead · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2007, 04:10:45 PM »

I like the protected point of the corelokt in my 308 for the 150 grain. Takes a beating from my semi auto rifle and stay nearly uniform.

Cheese

flintlock · « **Reply #8 on:** July 27, 2007, 04:36:46 PM »

I have killed deer with both, I get more pass-throughs with CoreLokts...Never lost a deer with either...
Buy a box of each and kill 6-7 with each and make your own decision...

jasonprox700 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 27, 2007, 05:09:35 PM »

I had the same thing happen that .308 had with his Core-Lokts. On a couple of deer that I recovered the bullets from, the jacket and core were completely separated. Don't get me wrong, they were DEAD, and so were a lot of other critters shot with the Core-Lokts, but the whole separation thing bugged me a little. Then I started hand loading and haven't looked back.

I think for deer sized game, they are just fine. Even if a jacket separates in a deer with a .308, it will kill it just as dead and it probably will get just as much penetration. If I were to hunt something larger, like elk or moose, then I wouldn't trust them.

I can't really give my $.02 on the Winchester, because I have never used them. The Remingtons were a little cheaper and at that time I figured a bullet is a bullet.

JimG · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2007, 01:37:03 AM »

Well I guess I need to do what Flintlock said to do, see what kills game the best for me. It does seem like most however seem to prefer the Win over the Rem.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2007, 02:08:24 AM »

Which ever brand is on sale! Not a lot of difference between the two, I'd buy the most cost effective brand.

beemanbeme · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2007, 07:16:20 AM »

For no particular reason, I've never used much Winchester ammo. Maybe the reason is I've never had a Remington bullet not fetch what I sent it after. Period. I can only scratch my head at the catastrophic failures some folks have had.
I'm sure there are folks that can make the same claim for Winchester. So flip a coin and take your pick. Both companies have been making ammo for a long time so they must be doing something right.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #13 on:** July 28, 2007, 07:50:27 AM »

I'd probably pick the Rems... But, i don't consider either one a great bullet... They work quite well if you stick to softer targets, (like rib shots) but both will loose there cores on tougher targets...

I picked Rems because in the past my dad and i have shot over a hundred deer using both, and on average Rems seem to have performed a bit better on deer, but these days i don't use either one...

Here's dad with a buck he shot using Rems.. He was crowding 90 when i took this pict., and is 94 today...

DM

Cheesehead · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2007, 03:21:54 PM »

Drilllingman

Its a great thing to take your father hunting in his later years! I hope some one takes me when I am 90.

Cheese

saltydog · « **Reply #15 on:** July 31, 2007, 03:20:18 AM »

Federal Power Shock for the value - then Remington.

dpastordan · « **Reply #16 on:** August 04, 2007, 12:30:05 PM »

I have no experience with the Remington Corelokts. Friends recommend them. I have had success with Winchester Powerpoints and Federal ammo - Hi Shok and partitions. If you can pay the extra, go with the Federal premiums with the Nosler partitions if you don't reload.

Sweet 6.5 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 04, 2007, 10:32:16 PM »

Which my Dad was still around to take hunting

700xcr · « **Reply #18 on:** August 05, 2007, 02:25:36 PM »

Have used 100gr. Remington Core-Lokts in 243win. and had very good luck with them. Harvested 5 deer and one antelope with this combo. My son will be using it this year and I will be using a 270wsm with 150gr. Winchester Power-Point ammo.

1marty · « **Reply #19 on:** August 05, 2007, 04:27:02 PM »

In my 50 year old model 94 30-30 I found the Rem's less accurate than the Win-for whatever reason. In my Rem 700 7-08 both group about the same and I have taken deer with both. It comes down to which your particular firearm likes.

40inarow · « **Reply #20 on:** August 05, 2007, 06:52:54 PM »

I am going to go in a little different direction than what is normally taken on this board.

Back in the 80s, as a salesman, I used to call on the Remington Arms plant in Lonoke, Arkansas. This place is a BIG facility. Go by and look at it sometime. Remington is putting out an extremely large volume of product. Also, I have had varied experience in Marketing for a couple of Fortune 200 companies. So the point is, Remington has a lot of dollars for R&D. They also have to maximize profit. So, if you are a product manager for Remington bullets, what do you do ? Well, I would guess that the vast majority of hunting bullets are used on deer. The number used on elk or moose or bear is probably a small percentage compared to those used on deer. So the Remington bullet is probably made to get adequate performance on deer while keeping costs down. Look at the price of Remington bulk bullets, they are low compared to the competition.

I would also guess that Winchester is in the same boat as Remington. So I would say that for most deer hunting, the bullets are adequate. Adequate is the word. If you are elk hunting, you would probably be better off buying a premium bullet.

To answer your original question, in my experience, Remington and Winchester bullets on deer are the same. Whatever shoots better in your gun is the one to use.

beemanbeme · « **Reply #21 on:** August 06, 2007, 06:57:22 AM »

There is a smidgen of truth in what 40inarow has to say

but remember, if you are making 10,000 of something, you can get the per item cost down cheaper than if you're an elf under a hollow log hammering the same item out one at a time.
That said, I use NP's and Grand Slams when I elk hunt.

Savage .250 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 06, 2007, 08:57:06 AM »

Either one will do the job but being you asked, i`d go the Winchester route. If I couldn`t find any I`d go
Remington. No problem.
Never had a problem with Winchester but have with Remington, one time. Still buy their ammo.

Revolver Nuts · « **Reply #23 on:** August 07, 2007, 03:13:47 AM »

How about if we add the Winchester Ballistic Slivertip to the equation? Like the 168 grain in 308?
Thanks,
Revolver Nuts

EdinCT · « **Reply #24 on:** August 10, 2007, 04:56:47 PM »

I swore by Remington when I was young and then got a rifle that wouldn't shoot them and used power points they both work if you shoot them into the right place.
I do think that the Remington's are less of a bullet than they were 25 years ago though.

41 mag · « **Reply #25 on:** August 11, 2007, 04:47:52 AM »

Personally I have for the most part used the Remington's simply because they shoot well in my rifle, ( a Ruger Compact), and for the price. I generally hit them on sale and pick up a hundered rounds or so at a time. I have also used Winchester, Federal, and Hornady, in several configurations as well. But for as much as I shoot that darn little gun, I cannot load as cheap, as I can generally get the plain ol Remingtons, and they shoot better than anything I tried to load for this rifle anyway.

As for performance on critters, I haven't taken a white tail with it yet, but I have taken over a hundered hogs over the past few years. Here are a few that were at ranges from 5yds out to over 400, using the Remington 150gr Core-Lokt's. Yes the others have done just as good a job, but they also cost around twice as much per box as well.

A good friends very first which weighed 320#, range about 10 yds.

Nice Tusker taken by me at around 75yds, weight 245#

My biggest sow to date plastered the scale, tops out at 400#, range 285yds.

The biggest taken from our farm by my Grandson and me. Range 450+, weight - heavy no scales.

A 45 min. round trip, from barn to a gravel pit and back, on my friends place, ranges from about 4ft. to 250yds. weights , didn't have time to check them. Guessing - 1 from 15# to around 60 - 150# on the rest.

Pick which ever shoots the best, but I wouldn't knock the preformance of the Rem. I have never felt undergunned with them, and figure the way they drop these hogs a deer wouldn't be a problem. Every one that has been hit square was DRT, and the few that weren't, didn't go but a few yards, if that. It don't take much more to convince me they work. Hogs are tough critters on just about any bullet.

Mikey · « **Reply #26 on:** August 11, 2007, 01:11:26 PM »

I have found that Winchester ammo shoots best in my Winchester and Remington ammo shoots best in my Remingtons. I consider the 150 gn bullet too light for the 308 bore for my hunting preferences and prefer the 180 gn in both 308 and 30-06. I have seen the 150s come apart on shoulders but there is no stoppin' a 180...... Mikey.

Country Boy · « **Reply #27 on:** August 18, 2007, 09:42:47 AM »

Like most I've used both with equally good success on deer. My favorite is Federal 150"s it shoots good in almost every rifle I've tried it in. I don"i know what bullet they use but I suspect it is a speer mag tip. and these shells are as cheap or cheaper than Rem. or Win. at wall mart. Oh yes, they kill deer like dynamite !