Author Topic: EBay to quit gun parts (Read 4143 times)

PartsMan · « **Reply #30 on:** July 31, 2007, 04:42:56 AM »

I also sent a message to customer support and told them that I would be closing my account.
My account by itself will not affect them but more of us send messages it may help.

bluebayou · « **Reply #31 on:** July 31, 2007, 06:18:44 AM »

"they" aren't taking away our "rights to sell crap on ebay". Ebay is a private company that can do what they want. If they choose not to sell firearms related items because their ownership is a bunch of scaredy cats then that is their "right". Ebay has the freedom to do what they want and they are doing something that we don't agree with.

That being said, I am now an ex-ebayer. I won't spend anymore money there or with PayPal. What a ridiculous kneejerk decision to make.

You choose where to spend your money. If you don't want to buy or sell on Ebay then don't. If you don't like the cheap, Chinese stuff at Wal-Mart then don't shop there. There is no conspiracy, it is all about the dollar. But "they" need to learn that "our" money adds up too.

jwv · « **Reply #32 on:** July 31, 2007, 06:33:41 AM »

Like most when I read that ebay was going to stop the selling of gun parts and other supplies I to felt that we have just lost some more of our rights. It was bad enough after 911 that the Kmart board executives issued a statement that they would stop ammunition sales and now this ebay thing just makes me want to puke.When the Multi Billion dollar corporations do this and make no mistake there will be a little campaign from that piece a crap ebay group that they are protecting Americans and the sad part is that people will believe that BS. Just look at Walmart they are slowly stopping sales of firearms, just look at the trend, they are being a little more slick about it.
I believe Charlie said it the best, I will be closing my ebay account and paypal to and yes they will hear how I feel about there decision from there group who hates our way of life and would like nothing better then to take our rights away.It is MY MONEY and I sure as heck ain't giving it to a bunch of sorry jerks who hate our guts. In the words of Judge Roy Bean piss on'em.
On a lighter note I do want to say a BIG THANK YOU to mister Graybeard aka Bill for this forum and the wealth of great information that it gives us eveyday. I have never used the NEF classified ads, its sure nice of Bill to let us use it.I would not have a problem with a fee. I mean come on people we gave it to ebay didn't we? If you think GBO makes big bucks off those few ads it has you must live in another world. The cost to keep up a web site this size takes a heck of alot more then most people realize. Thanks for letting me let off some steam I 'm saving the rest for ebay

Jack

stever · « **Reply #33 on:** July 31, 2007, 06:42:40 AM »

Good luck to anyone that writes epay. They are a nameless, faceless company that doesn't care what you think or do. They'll make a ton of gold without you, just the same. At one point, their processing centre was in Germany but that was a couple of years ago.

My story: I sold gun books on ebay up until two years ago. One day, for no reason, my account was suspended. They said that I would receive full privileges back when I removed some offending material from my site. They quoted me a line or two from their "No firearms to be sold." rule. So? I wasn't selling them, parts or pieces. The offending material, as near as I could tell, were my books. The subjects? Lee Enfields, reloading and history. Despite all my attempts to contact them, no human ever answered me. That was, until I got fed up and sent them emails through their report a suspicious/unlawful/illegal activity section. I wrote nonsensical 200 to 400 word stories. I'd send two or more a week. After approximately six months, my account was deleted. Good riddance.

Can you say Fahrenheit 451? 1984? Big Brother is watching?

The truly sad part is that most hunters, shooters and others will continue to use their system and pay their fees despite knowledge of their company policies.

ncsurveyor · « **Reply #34 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:36:06 AM »

not as painful as you might think............

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As you requested, we have begun the process to close your account.

We value your membership in the eBay community, and we wish we could convince you to stay. A customer support representative may contact you to see if there?s anything we can do to address your concerns.

Your account is now blocked from bidding or listing on eBay. However, you can still access your account information to determine your final bill, if applicable.

If you have had recent listing or bidding activity, we require a waiting period of 180 days. By allowing 180 days to pass we are helping to ensure that all of your transactions have been completed. Once the 180 days waiting period is over, we will automatically close your account.

At that time you will receive a final account closure notice from eBay. Please note that if you have an unpaid balance on your account, eBay will continue to use your contact information for collection efforts until your balance is fully paid.

Once your account has been permanently closed, your contact information, transaction history and feedback profile will be concealed and no longer available on the site.

If you do not wish to permanently close your account, please contact us immediately.

We hope that you have enjoyed your time with eBay.
Regards,
eBay Customer Support

I feel better.

stever · « **Reply #35 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:56:13 AM »

I'm glad you had no problems. I was not allowed to close my account quickly - despite owing no money or having any coming in - because I did not resolve the complaint. I do not know where they got the idea that they could demand that I change my site but it happened nonetheless.

www.paypalsucks.com has horror stories of people losing large amounts of cash to PayPal (same company as epay)

I think the most scary thing that I read was that when you sign up to use PayPal, you give these crooks authorization to take money from your bank account or credit card with no notice or permission. You consent to this when you click on the acceptance part of the agreement. 99.9% of the people scroll down to the bottom of the agreement page and click on the "I accept" button without giving it another thought.

Tennessee.Traveler · « **Reply #36 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:42:48 AM »

When you cancel your Ebay account, do it by mail, registered w/return receipt. Send a copy of the Ebay letter to your bank, along with your instructions to STOP honoring the withdrawal request from Ebay. Send it Special delivery, return receipt. Drop by the branch where you go most often and make a request to the mgr is a business-like way. Note! That is the 1st and only time I used the word request. You are the bank’s customer; Ebay is not the bank's customer. They will honor your request today, no 180 day crap if or whatever! EBay has standard legal recourse for any issue they have over your account.

Since they bank offshore, aside from avoiding paying tax on our money, I wonder if they are secretly funding terrorism?

Last, if you plan to contact EBay Stores with your complaint, do it while you are still a member. They can’t be contacted thru EBay if you are not a member.

Tennessee.Traveler

quickdtoo · « **Reply #37 on:** July 31, 2007, 09:51:44 AM »

TT, you're giving some inaccurate recommendations, there's no need to use registered mail, certified mail will provide record of delivery, signature and return receipt for a bunch less money, and there is no Special Delivery service any more, hasn't been for a long time, expeditied service is Express Mail which does provide record of delivery and a return receipt and overnight delivery, but will cost a bunch more.

Tim

Tennessee.Traveler · « **Reply #38 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:01:17 AM »

Quick!
I stand corrected on all counts. This isn't the first time I've spent more money than necessary to get my point across!
T.T.

Tack Driver · « **Reply #39 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:04:17 AM »

<---------Closed E-bay account. No big talk needed. They loose a few hundred thousand of us "rednecks from the hills with too many guns" they will get the message.

I do not see a reason to boycott paypal yet. Is there one?

cowboyup453 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:17:05 AM »

Quote from: Tack Driver on July 31, 2007, 10:04:17 AM

I do not see a reason to boycott paypal yet. Is there one?

Paypal and Ebay are the same company.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #41 on:** July 31, 2007, 10:48:16 AM »

This was posted down in the 2nd Amendment forum..

http://www.petitiononline.com/ebay0001/petition.html

Graybeard · « **Reply #42 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:14:57 AM »

I never used ebay to begin with so feel no loss. But they are not taking anyone's RIGHTS away. You have NO RIGHTS to do anything on their site same as you have no RIGHTS to do so here. You are provided a priviledge by site owners it's not a right. The sites are privately owned and may do as they see fit.

The management of ebay is and always has been rabidly antigun and have made no secret of it. Their pay check will not be affected in any way by the obvious loss of income to ebay as an entity so really could care less what you do or say in the matter. What you tell them in closing your account is merely for your personal satisfaction as they don't even care and likely will never read beyond the "I want my account closed" part of it.

I do concur with the actions of those who close their accounts. Like I said I never opened one to begin with as I never felt any need for them. So get it off your chest to them but don't expect them to care or be swayed by it. As a percentage of ebay revenue what will be lost to them as a result of this is not even 1/10th of one percent, likely not even one hundredth of one percent of their income stream and that to anyone really is of no consequence whatsoever.

The antis are out there and they are OUT TO GET US make no mistake about that. That's why I do not provide them the priviledge of posting their side here at this site. This is a pro gun, pro hunting, pro fishing, pro trapping site and those opposed to those views are no more welcome here than we are at their site and they've now made it abundantly clear to all where they stand on the matter as if they had not already done so.

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On a lighter note I do want to say a BIG THANK YOU to mister Graybeard aka Bill for this forum and the wealth of great information that it gives us eveyday. I have never used the NEF classified ads, its sure nice of Bill to let us use it.I would not have a problem with a fee. I mean come on people we gave it to ebay didn't we? If you think GBO makes big bucks off those few ads it has you must live in another world. The cost to keep up a web site this size takes a heck of alot more then most people realize. Thanks for letting me let off some steam I 'm saving the rest for ebay

You are of course welcome JWV. We have no plans at this time to charge fees for use of the Classifieds. It has been considered but we just haven't decided to implement any fee arrangements. There will likely be some new options given to folks after we get the new servers up and running as we'll have the software and server capacity to do so. Some of those will be fee services which you can use or not as you chose. We will offer value for the fee for sure or we'll not offer it to you. THen each member can choose to add those new services or not.

You are of course welcome to make a donation to the site for our server fund if you wish or to not do so also. The link is at the bottom of each page. It's a strictly voluntary option for those who would like to help us pay for the servers we've bought. I borrowed the money to buy them as I did not have that much cash laying around. So far we've gotten a few hundred of the several thosands of dollars the change over is costing in donations and those are most appreciated. As soon as we ship the servers to our host company and have them hooked into their network we'll need to pay them something in the neighborhood of $1200 to $1500, I'm not sure the final bill on that. The donations made so far plus last month and this month's Google income will be adequate to pay that I think so I'll not have to borrow more to pay for that.

You are very correct the ads on the site are not making us big bucks but do cover expenses each year and give us a little bit extra, not a lot but a little. If Matt's share were prorated out for the time he spends working on the site he might get a quarter an hour. I doubt my share would be more than a dime an hour for the time I spend here.

stever · « **Reply #43 on:** July 31, 2007, 11:18:03 AM »

I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ here but epay's dismal record and treatment of hunters and shooters has been going on for a number of years. That's why you read recommendations on every website to stop using PayPal and epay. The trouble is, epay knows that most people won't stop or simply don't care. After a week, it blows over.

Sign the petition. I genuinely hope it helps. My personal belief is that they'll be laughing should they see it. They know people complain and then cave in. Sorry to sound so down about this but lots of people have been complaining for years. It has to be shouted out regularly so that more people will notice.

As a group, we've had trouble with epay for a long time. We've been abused and seen services curtailed. It does get to you after a while. I'll shut up now.

pills · « **Reply #44 on:** July 31, 2007, 03:17:48 PM »

Maybe Graybeard should open an auction site. Graybay or something...

billy_56081 · « **Reply #45 on:** July 31, 2007, 03:23:31 PM »

Another way to contact Matt Halprin is to type his name into whitepages.com There is a listing there for him as vice president EBAY. Call the number the press 0, type in his last name 4257746 then the # key and you can leave him a voice mail. He Is out of the office until Aug 6. I will put the number up here if Graybeard says it's ok. It is a buisiness number for EBAY, not a personal number.

Graybeard · « **Reply #46 on:** July 31, 2007, 04:34:40 PM »

Quote from: pills on July 31, 2007, 03:17:48 PM

Maybe Graybeard should open an auction site. Graybay or something...

We had one. No body used it so we shut it down. If folks would use it we'd have no problem putting it back up I'm sure after we move to the new servers WHEn the danged replacement for the one damaged in shipment gets here.

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I will put the number up here if Graybeard says it's ok. It is a buisiness number for EBAY, not a personal number.

Don't see why I should care one way or the other. It's a waste of your time as he really could care less but have at it if it makes you feel better about it.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #47 on:** July 31, 2007, 04:41:15 PM »

The number is 408 376 7400. He is out of the office until Aug. 6th. But I'm sure he will enjoy his voice mail being very full. Hey I always feel better when I complain.

goodwrench6710 · « **Reply #48 on:** July 31, 2007, 04:44:09 PM »

I believe it's all politically biased! I don't like ebay due to bad experiences. You can't tell Walmart what to sell, the same goes for ebay. I don't think it's gonna make the world a better place by taking the stuff off ebay.

6Shooter · « **Reply #49 on:** August 01, 2007, 09:44:56 AM »

I cancelled my Ebay account.
If they don't want to let folks sell these perfectly legal items, I have no use for 'em.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #50 on:** August 01, 2007, 10:00:28 AM »

It's a liability issue pure and simple. You can bet if a gun part is bot thru Ebay that a crazy uses in a frenzy spree, Ebay will be drawn into the battle because of their "deep pockets". I would bet their was a meeting with Ebay and their insurance company about this very issue and about the premium savings that would be had, plus the potential litigation fees if they were drawn into a lawsuit. They ran the numbers on what they make selling gun parts and it came down to a business decision. Nothing more.

Just think about it for a minuet. Remove the emotion from the equation for just a second and think about it. If you sell wigets for a living. Say you make $1,000 a year selling wigets. your insurance cost to sell wigets is $200. Now, your insurance company has said they are going to raise your preimum to $600. You legal department has been telling you that one lawsuit will result in legal cost of $1,500, and wiget lawsuits are becoming more and more prevelant in today's society.

So, your profit margins are getting cut and you may lose money from 1 lawsuit. What if you get hit with 2 or even 3? And the business model shows that wiget sales are going to remain the same. Suddenly, wiget sales don't look as good as they use to.

MHO

Dave.

pills · « **Reply #51 on:** August 01, 2007, 10:04:18 AM »

So if someone buys a used car on ebay and gets drunk and kills someone with it Ebay will have a liability issue?

Bull. Ebay is not selling anything. They even say it themselves. They are just a venue to put buyer and seller together. If you ever have a problem with a seller you will find this out real quick.

smithbm · « **Reply #52 on:** August 02, 2007, 02:14:08 AM »

I would say that Ebay has just accepted partial responsibility for what happened at VT. This announcement could be seen as some kind of admission of guilt which could be used as ammunition for a frivolous wrongful death lawsuit. It's obvious that they didn't think this through very carefully.

rex6666 · « **Reply #53 on:** August 02, 2007, 05:51:56 AM »

i think we are maybe taking this too hard. if a bus. does not want to do bus. with you,
you go down the road to another one, standing at his door and barking will do no good
their will be another source. i the DFW area wally world has stopped selling guns and ammo
but Cabelas opened a new store.
I have been told that Gunbroker is owned by e-bay, i don't know that is just what i hear.
WE ARE LETTING THESE LIBERAL BUTTS RENT TOO MUCH TIME IN OUR HEADS.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #54 on:** August 02, 2007, 09:43:58 AM »

Quote from: rex6666 on August 02, 2007, 05:51:56 AM

WE ARE LETTING THESE LIBERAL BUTTS RENT TOO MUCH TIME IN OUR HEADS.

Applause....Applause...Applause!!!!

There will be other on line venue's that will get more use for gun part sales. Sleaze-Bay was not the only store out there....it just happen to be the one where I could sell my junk at a very high price!

Dave.

hellacatcher · « **Reply #55 on:** August 02, 2007, 12:34:20 PM »

Who really cares.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #56 on:** August 02, 2007, 12:58:48 PM »

WHO CARES?

For one I do. I have bought some hard to find other places items on EBAY. And have gotten some very good deals. It is sad that EBAY is mixing their cooporate heads personal political veiws with business. I hope they feel this in their checkbooks, not only from limiting their products they sell, but also from pro gun people not using their service for anything else.

So anyone got any odds on if Matt will call me back?

roostertails · « **Reply #57 on:** August 02, 2007, 02:18:57 PM »

Ebang has the right to do what ever they want to do, just as anyone of us has the right not to support ebang.
Most people sell on ebang because of the high volume of buyer traffic. when ebang ends all gun related item sales it will force the sellers to go to other gun auction sites which will in turn force the buyers to go to the other gun auction sites if they want to purchase a gun related item.
A big problem with some of the more popular gun auction sites is that there is a bunch of dealers that list their whole inventory at high prices just hoping to catch an unsuspecting buyer. With all these dealers listing there whole inventory on the auction sites it is a royal pain in the A$$ to sift through all the inventory items to find what you are looking for that is listed as a true auction. Allot of the gun auction sites do not charge a listing fee so that allows the dealers to list their whole inventory for free.
I for one would like to see a new gun auction site that would have a similar auction pricing structure as ebang, and maybe a 15 minute rule that would stop all sniping on auctions. In my opinion now would be the time to introduce such a site. At this time all the gun related item sales will be looking for somewhere to go, if they do not like what is already available because of the aforementioned reasons they would be more likely to try something new.

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #58 on:** August 02, 2007, 02:25:38 PM »

I think Dale started this whole thing with the "I Hate E-bay" thread

dw06 · « **Reply #59 on:** August 02, 2007, 02:49:28 PM »

Quote from: peanut on August 02, 2007, 02:25:38 PM

I think Dale started this whole thing with the "I Hate E-bay" thread

Yeah Dale,where you at?I don't believe ebutt is taking away our rights as they own it and call the shots.And since I still have my rights I intend to use them and go elsewhere!