Author Topic: 35whelen no fire isssue (Read 7714 times)

BANG_OW · « **Reply #30 on:** August 09, 2007, 12:51:42 PM »

Great choice! You won't regret it.

poncaguy · « **Reply #31 on:** August 09, 2007, 04:41:16 PM »

poncaguy · « **Reply #32 on:** August 09, 2007, 04:42:53 PM »

When I added the smiley, wiped out my message....I bought my Handi 35 Whelen new a couple of years age, never has failed to fire, and I use Remington ammo.......

quickdtoo · « **Reply #33 on:** August 09, 2007, 05:27:02 PM »

Matt Parliament had problems with his with factory ammo, but is shooting handloads just fine, so not all of the 22" Whelens are bad.

Larry, uncheck the "Spell check as I type" under the post window, the spell check is responsible for several odd software behaviors, like disappearing text!!

Tim

Scibaer · « **Reply #34 on:** August 10, 2007, 02:33:08 AM »

Tim, i understand that basically send them my gun. if they cant fix my 35whelen barrel, then they offer me a new barrel of my choosing.
so i shouldget my reciever,stock,foreend and a new barrel in return, correct ?
and another question.. how do i identify the different loads for the 45-70.. ie. trapdoor or whatever ?
and why dont they teach this stuff in highschool, lol

glenn

Scibaer · « **Reply #35 on:** August 10, 2007, 02:38:30 AM »

Quote from: BANG_OW on August 09, 2007, 12:51:42 PM

Great choice! You won't regret it.

.....thanks, this chambering has been calling me for some time, not sure why.. i really should have gotten this when i picked up the 35whelen .. i had both guns in my hand, lookin them over and struggling to decide. $:-\$ .. now i'll get a second chance at it
glenn

quickdtoo · « **Reply #36 on:** August 10, 2007, 05:13:18 AM »

Quote from: Scibaer on August 10, 2007, 02:33:08 AM

Tim, i understand that basically send them my gun. if they cant fix my 35whelen barrel, then they offer me a new barrel of my choosing.
so i shouldget my reciever,stock,foreend and a new barrel in return, correct ?
and another question.. how do i identify the different loads for the 45-70.. ie. trapdoor or whatever ?
and why dont they teach this stuff in highschool, lol
glenn

Yup, that's the way it should work, they don't replace frames/stocks unless they're defective or they damage them, if they know up front that you're open to a new barrel in 45-70 or a working 35 Whelen barrel, it should all go as planned. Worse case scenario is they return the Whelen barrel still not working. $:-\$

Reloading manuals list the 3 different load levels separately with a description of the rifles they're intended for. All factory ammo, except those marked for modern rifles only, are made for trapdoor rifles so someone doesn't put a smokeless round in an old rifle intended for blackpowder loads.

Tim

quickdtoo · « **Reply #37 on:** August 10, 2007, 06:13:52 AM »

Just in case you get the reloading bug, here's a good read on reloading for the 45-70...

Tim

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/tech_notes/archive_tech_notes.htm/49

Scibaer · « **Reply #38 on:** August 10, 2007, 06:51:22 AM »

Tim, i dont have any plans to get into reloading at this time.. i need more room ( i.e. another garage ) now. i see factory ammo in 300 and 325 gr. in hollowpoint and plastic tip, so i'm covered there for this hunting season..
worse case scenario, my butt.. they or the gun store will make it right i'm sure.
i sent off the gun this afternoon, after a call to the service dept, with a nice short letter letting them know what the problem was and what i'd like to see happen
yeah, if they send me back a working .35whelen, that'd be ok too.. i dont see how that'd happen though
so now its just a waiting game.. its time to get into the squirrel woods anyhow..
glenn

quickdtoo · « **Reply #39 on:** August 10, 2007, 07:06:40 AM »

Sounds like you're on your way to getting it resolved, please let us know how it goes.

thx,

Tim

Fred M · « **Reply #40 on:** August 10, 2007, 07:38:19 AM »

Well Scibaer brother in the east. Good luck with the 35Whelen, one caliber I had never any use for. Never could understand why H&R brought one out of the wood
works. The design of the case is a very poor one and fraught with problems. But
good fire formed cases will solve most of the case problems.

Contrary to general believe the 35 Whelen is a wild cat and as such it should be
a hand-loading caliber, specially in a Handi rifle.

Scibaer · « **Reply #41 on:** August 10, 2007, 10:42:49 AM »

Fred, i have indeed traveled to the east. It sounds as maybe you've traveled also ? i guess the design does have problems, i'm not ot worried about the wildcat status of the round, i like it's performance on deer and hogs. but the thing didnt fire, so its off to NEF. I dont really expect them to "fix" it, so my guess is i'll get getting a new 45-70 , which is the caliber i wanted in the first place. if they do fix it ( i'm just not sure they would go about that anyhow ) then i'm still happy, because i did ( do ) liked how it managed game.
glenn

Scibaer · « **Reply #42 on:** August 10, 2007, 10:49:08 AM »

Tim,
i will indeed

.. and if they contact me, i'll be sure to let everyone know what they say.
by the time its back to me, anxiously awaiting, it will like buying a brand new gun !
glenn....

now wheres that squirrel call ?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #43 on:** August 10, 2007, 10:54:05 AM »

There's nothing like a new toy to look forward to!!!

Tim

Foggy · « **Reply #44 on:** August 11, 2007, 09:30:13 AM »

Hi,
If you reload the cases of the rounds that did fire are a match for your chamber. I fire the one that did not fire in my Remington classic then reload. all the rounds I've fired In my Remington when reloaded have worked 100% in my RMEF. you might try that
Later
Foggy

Scibaer · « **Reply #45 on:** August 11, 2007, 09:48:38 AM »

Foggy,
thanks for the idea and advice, my 35whelen is already on its way to NEF. i have a box or two of ammo for it that i'll hang on to until this gets resolved. then that will go too.
in any event, i dont have any room or money to set up to reload, sure wish i did though. i loved the whelen, but i need a reliable gun, that i can get off the shelf ammo for. the whelen wasnt doing that im sorry to say. if NEF fixes it, then im happy too, but we'll cross that creek when the path takes us there an di'll keep your advice in mind
Glenn

Foggy · « **Reply #46 on:** August 11, 2007, 09:54:44 AM »

Glenn
Think 280rem another fav of mine you'll love it
Foggy

Scibaer · « **Reply #47 on:** August 11, 2007, 10:10:03 AM »

Foggy,
i have an itch for the 45-70..when i sent in the whelen, i wrote to them and said that i'd like to have the 22inch 45-70 barrel fitted to my receiver..
hopefully they'll comply with out any gruff...
Glenn

Foggy · « **Reply #48 on:** August 11, 2007, 10:19:57 AM »

Glenn
I got 2 of those too a Marlin 1895 ans a Buffalo Classic. You should love it .
Foggy

bajabill · « **Reply #49 on:** August 22, 2007, 06:57:40 AM »

Scibaer

WRONG

Never send your gun in for just one barrel

While it is there getting the 45-70 with free fitting and free return shipping, have them add a 30-06 for the ride home.

Scibaer · « **Reply #50 on:** August 22, 2007, 03:37:32 PM »

Bill, i wish i could afford to do just that...but $:-\$ i cant this time around..its been a while now and they have not contacted me ( i dunno if they do or dont as part of thier SOP in these matters) but i think i'll give 'em a call and ask a few polite questions

if i actually get to talk to someone, and get to pick, i'll be happier then i am now ( no deer rifle)
glenn

Scibaer · « **Reply #51 on:** August 23, 2007, 04:38:59 AM »

see the 'buffalo classic questions' thread glenn

Scibaer · « **Reply #52 on:** August 27, 2007, 10:20:47 AM »

Well the questions about the BC's may be a moot point for me. After sending my in 35Whelen, it took NEF 8 ( eight ) days to get it back to me fixed. yep, 8 days
i asked, fi they could not fix it to return me a 45-70 barrel, but they fixed the 35 whelen.. i picked it up today, not a scratch or nick on it ... new as new. they said, that they replaced the hammer spring, and trigger ( connector ?) .. im not sure how that will fix the chamber/shoulder problem ( if thats what it was, it did fire 6 out of 10 shots ) . but we shall see.
an interesting note, NEF says they do not replace a defective barrel with another one if they can fix the existing barrels issues..
so after all that, i still have my .35 whelen and thats ok too. as long as it shoots, lol ...
range report to follow... glenn

quickdtoo · « **Reply #53 on:** August 27, 2007, 10:35:49 AM »

Quote from: Scibaer on August 27, 2007, 10:20:47 AM

an interesting note, NEF says they do not replace a defective barrel with another one if they can fix the existing barrels issues..

No surprise there, the big question is, did they really fix the problem, or waste your time and theirs?

Hope it works for ya.

Tim

Fred M · « **Reply #54 on:** August 27, 2007, 12:22:06 PM »

Scibaer.
Good to hear you got your 35Whelen back. A weak hammer spring will not put fire in the hole. The trigger connector could give trigger/transfer bar problems and could cause miss fires.

If you get to know all the parts in the action and how they interact, you will
be able to do some tuning yourself.

Good luck my brother in the east with your fixed rifle. You be able to make them hogs sick in a big hurry.

Scibaer · « **Reply #55 on:** August 27, 2007, 04:46:20 PM »

Tim,
your right that is the question. i remounted the scope and bore sighted it, will shoot it this week sometime and get it zeroed. i'll know in a then if they fixed the issue or not. after reading Fred M's post, i can see where that could have been the problem, cuz sometimes it fired , but... we'll see, lol ..

Fred,
Brother, i probabaly will never fiddle with how the action works, i just want it to work, you know ? lol.. i was sure , after reading many post here ,that it was the case shoulder issue, i didnt think about a weak hammer or transfer bar causing misfires, but then again im not a gunsmith.. NEF claims to have replaced those parts and so we will see. if not im back to square one..
i'll be out at the range, my neigbhor and hunting buddy has a brother in law that has a range, so i'll be there sometime this week, and see how it goes. i'll report the outcome .

Glenn

quickdtoo · « **Reply #56 on:** August 27, 2007, 04:49:34 PM »

Did they note that they test fired it?

Tim

Scibaer · « **Reply #57 on:** August 27, 2007, 05:10:31 PM »

Tim,
yep the paper says "tests fired".. tests ? ..maybe just a typo but i checked the bore and its dirty and it sure wasnt that way when i sent it in, like i said, im picky...
just as a side note, removed the barrel to bore sight it in the jig i made, and pulled the hammer, squeezed the trigger and rode the hammer with my thumb, cafefully to check how far the firing pin travels, and it sure comes out a long ways.. alot further then my other NEF's do ( i checked my 20gauge and .243 ) should the 35whelen protrude out further ? or is this part of thier fix ? with out a guage to measure it.. i'd say 1/8, maybe , maybe.. eyeballing it at 11pm
glenn

quickdtoo · « **Reply #58 on:** August 27, 2007, 05:23:52 PM »

It may be a fix for too much headspace!! If you chamber a round, then press it into the chamber with some finger pressure, is the rim recessed into the chamber, or flush with the barrel face?

Tim

Scibaer · « **Reply #59 on:** August 27, 2007, 05:55:50 PM »

I chambered a round, and pushed it into the chamber fairly hard, and its sits flush with barrel face, i can just catch the seam between the chamber and the shell with a fingernail but they appear to be flush.. ok i pushed it in hard, and looked at it with my magnifying glass, the shell it recessed in the chamber by the mirco smallest amount, i cant catch the edge of the barrel with a sheet of printer paper, but its there..
glenn