Author Topic: Terrorism by ILLEGAL ALIENS? (Read 3895 times)

Dee · « **on:** August 11, 2007, 04:41:32 AM »

A Peruvian (named Carranza) national in the U.S. ILLEGALLY, turned himself in for the New Jersey execution style robbery of 4 college students.
This man has also been accused of RAPING a 5 year old girl, and then threatening her and her parents, AND has been charged with ASSAULT involving a bar fight.
It is reported that the INS "KNEW" about his "OTHER PROBLEMS" prior to the killings.
It would seem to me, that we, the American populace, are dealing and suffering from, FAR MORE (like on a daily basis) TERRORISM FROM ILLEGALS, on American soil, than with Middle Eastern ones here.

They are RAPING and KILLING our men, women, and children, on a DAILEY BASIS, and this is evident by our current prison populations.

They at the same time are, RAPING AND PILLIAGING our health care, and social services systems, to the point that hospitals are closing, and or, raising their rates to us that are insured and working as to make them unaffordable, or budget wrecking for the AMERICAN family.

They are RAPING AND PILLIAGING our transportation system by causing our auto insurance to SKYROCKET in price, due to the fact that many do not insure their vehicles causing "US" to suffer the brunt.

Where the hell is our government concerning all this?

Why are we protecting everybody's borders (Korea, Iraq, Saudi Arabia ect.) but our own? Why has the government sent our troops to protect everyone else (Korea, Iraq, Saudi Arabia ect.) and left us to defend ourselves and our families, while at the same time TYING OUR HANDS in an effort to stop us from doing so?

Come to think of it, why has this same government tied our troops hands?

But then again, maybe they (the ILLEGAL ALIENS) are just wanting a better life in the U.S. and I am just a bitter old man.

$:-\$

>:(real

What do you think?

Almtnman · « **Reply #1 on:** August 11, 2007, 04:54:22 AM »

I think that when Bush and the democrats that wants to grant amnesty to all these illegals that have just walked in here, that our government has failed us very badly. We don't know how many of the illegals that has came here were criminals back in the country they came from and that's a problem with allowing them to stay.

Not a week goes by here in my state that the local police, Sheriff's deputies or State Troopers stops an 18 wheeler with a load of dope headed to parts unknown. I'm not talking about a pocketful of dope, but into the tons and worth millions. Don't know how many are getting through without being stopped as our border is wide open.

I don't think you're a bitter old man, but one that wants to secure our country like we have for many other countries. I feel the same as you.

rockbilly · « **Reply #2 on:** August 11, 2007, 07:41:31 AM »

I don't know why the Whitehouse doesn't recognize the fact that the threat from the illegals is real and present. It is evidenced by the vast number of illegals currently housed in our prisons, and they represent only a few of the thousands of criminals walking our streets. Members of the MS-13 gang, and the Mexican Mafia have been involved in major crime and terrorist activities in California for many years, today they have spread across the country and can be found in almost every major city.

"We The People" know the system is badly broken, why can't we convince the Whitehoue? We can pray for reform, and hope things change, but in the mean time I advise every red blooded American to keep their powder dry.

oldandslow · « **Reply #3 on:** August 11, 2007, 10:49:15 AM »

Nope, I don't think your a bitter old man. I think you are fed up with this mess just as I am. The fact that we can't seem to do one damn thing about it is enough to make a person a little bitter.

magooch · « **Reply #4 on:** August 12, 2007, 04:52:13 AM »

It would be easy if all Americans felt the same way we do, but they don't. We're too homogenized and getting more so every day.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 12, 2007, 05:37:11 AM »

The allies of these criminal aliens, espouse how much good they do and how they keep the price of goods down here. Is there a source or website that keeps statistics on illegal aliens cost to America, I'm talking average annual murders, cost of thefts and roberiries, rapes, uninisured motor vehicle accidents, and unpaid medical bills. I would like to have a souce with this information to be able to quote on the local paper when they have thier "day without immigrents" march again.

And ya know what Dee, this is an issue where you are allowed to be bitter. Wrong is wrong. No matter how they try to paint it these people are invading our country. They come here steal from our citacens and send it back to the country they came from.

Don Fischer · « **Reply #6 on:** August 12, 2007, 06:35:58 AM »

I think the fix is simple really. But it will never happen in this country. Throw every politician out of office. Every incumbent you leave in office helps corrupt the new blood coming in. But to many people are willing to sit around and say this guy or that guy is good! That's wrong, they are all part of the problem. the illegals aren't the problem, never have been. The problem is a government that won't do anything about it. they are a smoke screen for government! And don't blame the Democrats, the Republicans, the liberals or the conservatives. They are all one and the same; part of a huge problem that will destroy us as a nation.

alsaqr · « **Reply #7 on:** August 12, 2007, 07:57:34 AM »

"But to many people are willing to sit around and say this guy or that guy is good! That's wrong, they are all part of the problem."

Show me how those Republican senators who bucked George Bush and the Democrats are a part of the illegal immigration problem. Without those Republicans telling Bush to shove it, we would have blanket amnesty for illegal aliens.

nomosendero · « **Reply #8 on:** August 12, 2007, 08:43:57 AM »

Quote from: alsaqr on August 12, 2007, 07:57:34 AM

"But to many people are willing to sit around and say this guy or that guy is good! That's wrong, they are all part of the problem."

Show me how those Republican senators who bucked George Bush and the Democrats are a part of the illegal immigration problem. Without those Republicans telling Bush to shove it, we would have blanket amnesty for illegal aliens.

Good point Sir. ALL of the Socialist Demoncraps need to go & most of the Republicans.

Almtnman · « **Reply #9 on:** August 12, 2007, 09:54:01 AM »

There's a new fax to send your congressmen at: http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet
telling them to get tough on border security.

If any of you haven't signed up with http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet you need to do that and get your message out.

Dee · « **Reply #10 on:** August 13, 2007, 03:54:24 AM »

Quote from: alsaqr on August 12, 2007, 07:57:34 AM

"But to many people are willing to sit around and say this guy or that guy is good! That's wrong, they are all part of the problem."

Show me how those Republican senators who bucked George Bush and the Democrats are a part of the illegal immigration problem. Without those Republicans telling Bush to shove it, we would have blanket amnesty for illegal aliens.

Try and get those republicans your defending to vote in TERM LIMITS for EVERYONE IN D.C. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I'm just saying those same republicans senators WOULD NOT have stood up had they not had voter pressure on them hot and heavy.

alsaqr · « **Reply #11 on:** August 13, 2007, 04:23:35 AM »

"I'm just saying those same republicans senators WOULD NOT have stood up had they not had voter pressure on them hot and heavy."

Some of them, like Coburn and Inhofe of OK, would have stood up any way. Others required a lot of pressure. Some of them still wussed out and played Wya's silly game in spite of the pressure.

Dee · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2007, 04:41:27 AM »

I will have to stand "corrected" as to the Oklahoma senators. I believe you are correct. They might also be found "guilty" if it became necessary to also CHARGE HELL WITH A BUCKET OF WATER.

MGMorden · « **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2007, 05:50:45 AM »

With all due respect, I can understand your anger, but the fact that this guy was an illegal alien is kinda moot. He's obviously psychotic, and born here, there, or anywhere he's gonna be a problem. Deal with this crime individually, and deal with the far lesser and less heinous crime of illegal immigration separately. Looking to link the two is like saying that because somebody who was caught speeding last week and now this week raped and killed a minor and then robbed and killed 4 college students, then all those nasty speeders need to be dealt with before they strike again. Both are crimes, but they are of VASTLY different significance and ought not be linked.

Remember guys, correlation does NOT equate to causation

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powderman · « **Reply #14 on:** August 13, 2007, 06:15:55 AM »

MCMORDEN. Can't agree with ya. Had he not made the decision to laugh at us and break our laws he would not have been here to kill innocents. Last month a man was killed in Nashville, he was a master at building, repairing, and playing mandolins. He too was killed by an illegal. The scum had been here 11 years, told to leave 11 times, arrested and deported 3X. Still he came back, he was driving drunk AGAIN. Locally, a 4 year old boy was murdered. Mother an illegal, been here 11 years, a federal judge ordered her deported in 1996, 11 years ago. Another welfare case, she admitted she rarely watched her son, just turned him loose to roam the neighborhood every day. The boy went to different homes for food, etc. The father is another model citizen. Also illegal, is in jail for dui, no license, no tags on car, no insurance. Fact is, her son would probably be alive if she hadn't decided to laugh at our laws and stayed home. She still didn't speak English after mooching off the govt for 11 years. These people shame the millions of Americans who immigrated here legally, followed the rules, and obey our laws. They should be called what they are, illegals, felons, criminals, invaders, and treated accordingly. I'm sick of these people disrespecting America and laughing at our laws. POWDERMAN.

MGMorden · « **Reply #15 on:** August 13, 2007, 06:37:57 AM »

Powder - Believe me I'm not saying that we don't need to deal with illegal immigration. It's just to me, I see the problems with illegal immigration being things like failure to pay income tax, failure for children to enroll in school, failure (or lack of requirement) to comply with minimum wage laws, failure to ensure correct census data, etc. Those who are here illegally should be shipped back to their place of origin (I'm not about to limit that to Mexico as many seem to do), or made to properly and legally immigrate. To me, it's a record keeping problem.

I've always had the opinion that anyone who WANTS to come to America should be able to. I might not earn any fans by saying it, but I honestly wouldn't be opposed to a clerk at the border who registered them upon entry (and that's how it was long ago - most of our ancestors who came in more than 150 years ago certainly didn't have to put much effort into paperwork - many couldn't read at all). Fill out this form, let me get you into the computer, and then you can be on your merry way. I'm just not a very hateful person and it doesn't' benefit us as a nation to a) succumb to any form of prejudice, or b) cutoff the influx of new cultures and people that has ALWAYS been the lifeblood of our country.

Posting something like this to me says "See what those illegal aliens are doing?", and I don't see a link. 100 (or even 50 in some places) you could have chosen being black as being the scapegoat. Further back it could have been if you were indian. Or further back if you were poor. Or hebrew. The group getting blamed changes as you change location and time, but it's always the same pattern. It's just a scapegoat and a stereotype. People are responsible for their own actions, and this guy is a crazy lunatic that should either be executed himself or locked away for life. Doesn't matter if he's a legal immigrant, an illegal immigrant, born here, rich, poor, black, white, or purple. That's all beside the point. Let his actions speak for themselves and then judge and punish this man according to his crimes, and let others be judged for theirs, and only theirs.

Dee · « **Reply #16 on:** August 13, 2007, 10:56:18 AM »

The point that YOU seem to be missing MGMorden is, that WE are having to deal with someone else's problem. If Mr. Carranza had been DEPORTED and our borders were under control, the three college students would at this writing, be DOING something other than waiting to be buried by their families. That sir is most assuredly a FACT!
I spent 13 years working mex gangs, and most were either here illegally, or were brought here as infants by their illegal parents.
I am sure you analogy of the situation would be a real comfort to the families of the victims. This did not have to happen, and as far as your problem with our attitude about the mex illegals, go back and read my original post. I believe I stated the puke is from Peru. Illegal is as it implies. Illegal! If in you idealistic state think that these folks have ANY respect for our laws, then ponder in your idealistic way, why they broke our law in the way in which they came here, but once here, did nothing to rectify their status with us. Their crooks, my friend. Go to L.A. and try to walk down some parts of town that are controlled by ILLEGAL ALIEN gang members. It doesn't have to be that way. If they were GONE, you could take your walk.
The truth of the matter is we have enough outlaws of our own, without having to import any. And we have ENOUGH AMERICANS on social services without supporting ILLEGAL ALIENS whom PAY NO TAXES, AND CONTRIBUTED "NOTHING WORTH WHILE TO OUR SOCIETY". It's not anger. IT'S COMMON SENSE!

Almtnman · « **Reply #17 on:** August 13, 2007, 11:37:25 AM »

Quote from: MGMorden on August 13, 2007, 06:37:57 AM

Posting something like this to me says "See what those illegal aliens are doing?", and I don't see a link.

The link is: "ILLEGAL"!

We have legal immigration that abides by our immigration laws and we have illegal immigration that abides by nothing.

Then back up there somewhere in one of the posts, somebody said that immigrants back at the turn of the century didn't have to do anything but sign a piece of paper to come here, something like that. The problem I see with that is back at the turn of the century we didn't have the technology that we do today to check and see what's showing up on our land. And yet we have people sneaking in here every day and night not signing a thing and we don't know who they are, what they are, what diseases they bring along with them, or for some, why they are here.

What we need is to get our government off it's lazy butt and enforce our immigration laws and quit listening to Mexico every time one of our Border Patrol agents, Sheriffs Deputies or any other law enforcement officer has to pop a cap on a dope dealer hauling his dope in or someone that is threatening their life. That's a big problem and it needs to be stopped. How; start voting those jokers out of office that are not doing what we sent them there to do.

Maybe what we really need is to just set up a DMZ on the border like it was in Korea when I was there and anybody stepping out there on it gets shot on sight.

powderman · « **Reply #18 on:** August 13, 2007, 11:51:17 AM »

ALMTNMAN. I would not disagree with a dmz at all. I'm fed up with these people and fed up with PC terms like undocumented anything. What part of the word ILLEGAL is so hard for some people to understand??? Call em what they are, illegals, criminals, felons invaders. POWDERMAN.

Heavy C · « **Reply #19 on:** August 13, 2007, 06:14:00 PM »

Quote from: Dee on August 13, 2007, 10:56:18 AM

The point that YOU seem to be missing MGMorden is, that WE are having to deal with someone else's problem. If Mr. Carranza had been DEPORTED and our borders were under control, the three college students would at this writing, be DOING something other than waiting to be buried by their families. That sir is most assuredly a FACT!
I spent 13 years working mex gangs, and most were either here illegally, or were brought here as infants by their illegal parents.
I am sure you analogy of the situation would be a real comfort to the families of the victims. This did not have to happen, and as far as your problem with our attitude about the mex illegals, go back and read my original post. I believe I stated the puke is from Peru. Illegal is as it implies. Illegal! If in you idealistic state think that these folks have ANY respect for our laws, then ponder in your idealistic way, why they broke our law in the way in which they came here, but once here, did nothing to rectify their status with us. Their crooks, my friend. Go to L.A. and try to walk down some parts of town that are controlled by ILLEGAL ALIEN gang members. It doesn't have to be that way. If they were GONE, you could take your walk.
The truth of the matter is we have enough outlaws of our own, without having to import any. And we have ENOUGH AMERICANS on social services without supporting ILLEGAL ALIENS whom PAY NO TAXES, AND CONTRIBUTED "NOTHING WORTH WHILE TO OUR SOCIETY". It's not anger. IT'S COMMON SENSE!

It's frustration. I'm wondering why there isn't the same level of "common sense" being spouted about skin heads, asian gangs, black gangs, etc. We have a serious issue with illegals of that there is no doubt, but we have our fair share of homegrown terrorists in this country. 60 Minutes ran a story last night on the prevalance of "stop snitching" amongst the black community. It highlighted how many witnesses there were to homicides and various other crimes, but in order to protect their street credibility will not cooperate with police.

BTW, TM7 also makes a great point. If so many communities have a "don't ask don't tell" policy; then those same communities are breaking the law by creating a safe haven for illegals. Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.

powderman · « **Reply #20 on:** August 14, 2007, 04:45:55 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on August 13, 2007, 12:44:50 PM

If the perp wasn't suppose to be here, and the law enforced to ensure he wouldn't be here; then ergo, he wouldn't have been able to commit the murders here because he wouldn't have been here. Same with any other so-called terrorist working their craft here as well. I suppose the case could be argued that those deliberately ignoring and deliberately not enforcing law are aiding and abetting illegal's crime from the Constitution on down. They would be like security guards that unlocked the door to the bank so the robbers could have easy access.

...TM7

tm7. Somehow I was sure you would blame president Bush, guess it's all his fault the punk is a punk. POWDERMAN.

gypsyman · « **Reply #21 on:** August 15, 2007, 02:29:37 AM »

This shouldn't be a political issue. There are few, and I mean few, politicians that get this issue right. And it's costing this country severally, both in money, and blood. This is a right or wrong issue. Not a Democrat or Republican issue. Or shouldn't be. Too many do gooders don't want to step on anybody's toes, hurt their feelings, lose money contributions, or lose vote's. And it's costing the average person way more than we realize. I have a feeling, it's going to get worse, before it get better. gypsyman

rockbilly · « **Reply #22 on:** August 15, 2007, 05:51:47 AM »

Calling an illegal alien a undocumented immigrant is like calling a house burglar an uninvited house guest.

The immigration problem is more serious than many think. How secure is your job, can an illegal be hired to replace you at a lower wage than you make? This is happening all over America. In Waynesboro, VA for example, a employee of one of our major manufacturers of electrical components terminated several employees, replacing them with illegals. One employee, a long time friend had over 18 years with the company, she was about 14-16 months short of retirement when terminated. She was replaced by two workers, who's combined salary was less than her's, she lost all benefits she had worked for over the years. This may be a rare case, but for those without a high school education it is very serious. These are the folks most often put out of work by an illegal. Rather than taking this as a signal they need to improve their marketability, they stay home and draw welfare, after all it is better pay than the illegal is making. Situations such as this gets in our pockets as a result of higher taxes.

Dee. I have walked the streets of L.A., there are some scary places there, I felt more in risk of being harmed than I did while walking the trails in Viet Nam. The sad truth of the matter, it is not just L.A., the Mexican or immigrant gangs can be found in most of our major cities.

Funny, but an American is willing to put up with all kinds of higher taxes, increased crime, degraded social services, and higher hospital bills, just to have Josa do the yard once a week for minimum wage. They don't realize what the hidden cost actually is.

Dee · « **Reply #23 on:** August 15, 2007, 05:39:56 PM »

Quote from: Heavy C on August 13, 2007, 06:14:00 PM

Quote from: Dee on August 13, 2007, 10:56:18 AM
The point that YOU seem to be missing MGMorden is, that WE are having to deal with someone else's problem. If Mr. Carranza had been DEPORTED and our borders were under control, the three college students would at this writing, be DOING something other than waiting to be buried by their families. That sir is most assuredly a FACT!
I spent 13 years working mex gangs, and most were either here illegally, or were brought here as infants by their illegal parents.
I am sure you analogy of the situation would be a real comfort to the families of the victims. This did not have to happen, and as far as your problem with our attitude about the mex illegals, go back and read my original post. I believe I stated the puke is from Peru. Illegal is as it implies. Illegal! If in you idealistic state think that these folks have ANY respect for our laws, then ponder in your idealistic way, why they broke our law in the way in which they came here, but once here, did nothing to rectify their status with us. Their crooks, my friend. Go to L.A. and try to walk down some parts of town that are controlled by ILLEGAL ALIEN gang members. It doesn't have to be that way. If they were GONE, you could take your walk.
The truth of the matter is we have enough outlaws of our own, without having to import any. And we have ENOUGH AMERICANS on social services without supporting ILLEGAL ALIENS whom PAY NO TAXES, AND CONTRIBUTED "NOTHING WORTH WHILE TO OUR SOCIETY". It's not anger. IT'S COMMON SENSE!

It's frustration. I'm wondering why there isn't the same level of "common sense" being spouted about skin heads, asian gangs, black gangs, etc. We have a serious issue with illegals of that there is no doubt, but we have our fair share of homegrown terrorists in this country. 60 Minutes ran a story last night on the prevalance of "stop snitching" amongst the black community. It highlighted how many witnesses there were to homicides and various other crimes, but in order to protect their street credibility will not cooperate with police.

BTW, TM7 also makes a great point. If so many communities have a "don't ask don't tell" policy; then those same communities are breaking the law by creating a safe haven for illegals. Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.

Heavy C if you will look in the post you quoted of mine you will see that I stated we have enough outlaws of our own with out importing any from outside. You are preaching to the choir, if that is what was meant.

Heavy C · « **Reply #24 on:** August 15, 2007, 06:12:16 PM »

Yes I saw that, but it seems nothing gets everyone worked up as much as an illegal alien.

In a way I was preaching to the choir. My biggest source of frustration is with society and these municipalities that try to be politically correct to the detriment of society as a whole. We turn a blind eye thinking the problem will go away and it turns around and smacks us in the face. Virginia Tech is another example where they were trying to protect the privacy of someone with mental issues and we lost a lot of young promising lives as a result.

As I said before, sometimes we are our own worst enemy.

Dee · « **Reply #25 on:** August 16, 2007, 01:50:53 AM »

Ok Heavy C, I see what you mean, but we cannot do anything about the mental health of the country as a whole. There are several hundred million Americans aren't there? The Virginia Tech massacre could have been stopped possibly by ARMED CITICIZENS. We as a country have become more and more DEPENDENT ON BIG BROTHER GOVERNMENT, to do every thing from feed us to protecting us. I see the Virginia Tech incident more as a 2nd Amendment issue than anything else.
There are many lemmings in this country no doubt, and many whom support an out of control government on foreign policy but, let us face facts. Although we cannot monitor the ENTIRE population of this country, we CAN eliminate the ILLEGAL ALIEN situation by moving them out of the mix. This will not cure all our problems but, it would eliminate ONE major problem.
If the government made it ILLEGAL to HIRE, HOUSE, AND RENDER SOCIAL SERVICES, to them, many would simply go home on their own. By allowing them to come into this country illegally, we are simply ADDING TO, our problems in society, health care, transportation woes, job market problems, social services overload, and not to mention the new strains of HEPITITUS, and TUBERCULOSIS, that they are bringing with them. Just these two diseases alone are on a sharp rise, and it has been directly traced back to south america.

rockbilly · « **Reply #26 on:** August 16, 2007, 03:26:28 PM »

Some interesting facts here..........

Newark execution murders update: The MS-13 connection

By Michelle Malkin * August 13, 2007 03:23 PM

On Friday <http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293124,00.html> , former
prosecutor Remi Spencer and I discussed the arrest of illegal alien
Jose Carranza in the brutal murders of three young Newark students and the
attemped murder of a fourth. I reported on the discovery of a
fingerprint found on a liquor bottle in the schoolyard where the
murders took place...and questioned how Carranza could have been fingerprinted
and NOT been known to immigration authorities. As I reported in
Invasionin 2002, there are several criminal alien databases that are neglected,
outdated, unused, and not shared between agencies.

There is also renewed outrage over the multiple times illegal alien
Carranza was released on bail for multiple heinous crimes, including an
alleged four years of sexual abuse of a girl beginning at age 5.

Hey, if you've been reading my reporting, you know this is standard
operating procedure.
<http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin103002.asp>

In the latest developments, the NYPost
<http://www.nypost.com/seven/08132007/news/nationalnews/school_shooting_
fugitives_have_gang_ties__locals_nationalnews_jeane_macintosh_and_dan_ma
ngan.htm> reports on the suspects' illegal alien gang ties:

As Newark cops yesterday continued hunting for three people
suspected in a grisly schoolyard massacre there, residents said several
of the men were part of a notorious street gang.

It also emerged that one of the fugitives, Rodolfo Godinez,
obtained a green card in 2001 and was allowed to stay in the United
States despite later robbery and assault arrests, immigration
authorities said yesterday.

Godinez pleaded guilty to lesser charges.

His fellow fugitives include his 16-year-old brother and another
youth, both of whom attended Mount Vernon School, the scene of the Aug.
4 triple slaying. Recently, Godinez's brother and another youth already nabbed in
the murders "started bragging on how they were part of this gang,
MS-13," said a classmate of the duo. Also known as Mara Salvatrucha, the
ruthless MS-13 gang operates in the United States and Central America.

As I've reported over the last several years, MS-13 has thoroughly
penetrated every major metropolitan area of the country. Just doing the
gang-banging no one else will do. The Newark Star-Ledger
<http://www.nj.com/starledger/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-12/1186893631
111330.xml&coll=1> has more on the MS-13 penetration of Newark's Ivy
Hill neighborhood. And in the latest issue of City Journal
<http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_urban_terrorism.html> , John
Robb
writes on urban terrorism waged by foreign criminal enterprises.

Dan Riehl
<http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2007/08/rodolfo-
godinez.html> has more. Lawhawk
<http://lawhawk.blogspot.com/2007/08/get-this-evil-out-of-my-city.html>
has a good round-up.

This case also reminded me of my reporting during the D.C. Beltway-area
sniper murders. We still haven't learned the lessons of Lee Malvo's
fingerpint <http://www.vdare.com/malkin/malvo.htm> . Read it and weep.

Heavy C · « **Reply #27 on:** August 16, 2007, 05:28:25 PM »

Well Dee, I'm certainly not looking to cure America's mental health issues. My point in bringing up VT is that it could have been prevented all together if society wasn't being so "sensitive" to people with mental health issues or even illegal aliens. Yes, VT was also a 2nd amendment issue.

Rockbilly, your post just continues to lend credibility to what I've been saying. Sometimes we are our own worst enemy. Just as with these murders committed by illegal aliens and the VT shooter there were plenty of opportunities to have taken action that would have prevented the whole mess.

Dee · « **Reply #28 on:** August 17, 2007, 05:02:09 PM »

The issue of this entire thread Heavy C is the government is not willing to take these issues to task. It is not up to them to protect us, it is up to each individual.
Illegal Aliens for MANY reasons ARE an ISSUE, and one that is GROWING. One SHOULD BE sensitive to a group of foreign nationals that have NO REGARD for our immigration laws or our laws as a whole.
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS a year are spent on printing everything in English and Spanish just for the simple fact that the ILLEGAL REFUSES to adjust to our society and WE PAY FOR THE COSTS. This multi million dollar expense is just BUT ONE ISSUE, but it is an expensive one.

rockbilly · « **Reply #29 on:** August 19, 2007, 07:47:29 AM »

Until we elect a President and Congress that take their sworn obligation serious we will continue to have problems with immigration as well other problems. Too many of these clowns have their personal agenda, and take little interest in enforcing the laws as currently written.

In their oath of office, the President, and those elected to the senate and congress swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States, and the laws of the land. In my opinion, their failure to do so is grounds enough for impeachment.

To complicate the problem, the majority of the American people either don't care, or are too ignorant to do anything to help change things. I am firmly convinced, "the squeaking wheel gets the grease." When enough people start writing letters, making phone calls, and showing up at public appearances and voicing their opinions, then maybe those elected officials will start doing their jobs.

As I see it, we are at a critical time in history. We are about to go into an election that will have major impact on the future of America. Several Democrat, and many of the Republicans candidates will sell out the long time citizens, and allow us to be raped by the illegal elements they want to make citizens. They continue to insist that we change our laws to accommodate the illegals from south of the border, we have to speaker to them in their language, teach their children in their language, provide them with social services, suffer from the increased crime, and act like we like it.

If you are truly opposed to a take over by the illegals, then get off your lazy butt and do something about it.