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Deer hunting
« on: August 12, 2007, 02:08:23 AM »
What is a nice low recoil, effective deer hunting round?  I have been playing with a 44 mag and a 270, but the recoil really limits my range.  I could download each, but I dont want to loose the effectiveness of the round. 

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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2007, 02:21:01 AM »
You do not give any information regarding powder charge or velocity of your load.  The 270 grain launched from the muzzle at 1,000 to 1,200 is going to be effective on whitetail without the relatively heavier recoil associated with max loads. 

Otherwise, you can look along the line of a .300 Whisper or .30-30  using 125 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips, the 7X30 Waters, or 6.5 JDJ with similar weight bullets.  There are many more calibers with which deer have been taken.

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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2007, 03:59:32 AM »
I shoot a 6.5x55 in an Encore and my brother shoots a 308 in an Encore. Both are moderate recoil and are accurate out to 200 yards. If I were looking for LOW recoil I would get the 30-30 and down load it. The 30-30 in a single shot can use all pointed 308 component bullets and there are so many options, more than any other caliber. I believe a 30 caliber bullet is a great choice for deer hunting. The 270 in a factory round would be a handful in the recoil department and would not be the best to down load with its larger case capacity.

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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2007, 05:05:32 AM »
Quote from: Cheesehead on August 12, 2007, 03:59:32 AM
The 270 in a factory round would be a handful in the recoil department and would not be the best to down load with its larger case capacity.

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My point exactly.  Ive loaded some 270 down to some extent, but I still would like some distance shooting open.  150 yards would be my max. 

With a large case, and a little powder, the pressure will go up, and lethality (sp) will taper off. 

What is the lowest that anyone has loaded a 270 with heavy enough bullet (110/130/140/ect) to cleanly take a whitetiled deer? 

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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2007, 05:20:11 AM »
Quote from: MS Hitman on August 12, 2007, 02:21:01 AM
The 270 grain launched from the muzzle at 1,000 to 1,200 is going to be effective on whitetail without the relatively heavier recoil associated with max loads. 


How far out would this be effective?

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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2007, 06:24:58 AM »
According to John Linebaugh, Elmer Keith's load with a 240 grain hard cast bullet will penetrate 7.5" of pine at 600 yards.  Your load should go through a whitetail at any practical range you will shoot one. 

If you are looking for a 150 yard range, you would be best served by going with a cartridge with a trajectory flatter than the .44 magnum.
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2007, 08:53:28 AM »
MS, I'm not going to argue with John as I have never tried the stunt, but I have fired a factory-level .44 Special jacketed 250-grain load at a 6" pine tree at 100 yards and it did not exit the tree (those Sierra bullets do not expand at this velocity).  I figure the .44SPL was going about what Elmer's bullet was.  A ballistics chart shows a velocity of 743 fps at 500 yards for a 265-grain bullet launched at 1200 fps.  A 240-grain bullet would likely be between 625 to 675 fps at 600 yards.  Comments?

OTOH, the 270-grain load at ca. 1100 fps will not kill the shooter and will do a credible job on about any reasonable game.  I have shot several deer with a 300-grain .45LC load at 1080 fps with good results.  Gauging that load by its effect on the 200 meter rams on the silhouette range - no well-hit deer will have a chance.  I would expect the .429/270/1100 load to be identical in field performance.

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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2007, 09:47:00 AM »
6.8 Remington, very mild recoil and should take deer out to 200 yards............
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2007, 10:46:30 AM »
my choices for deer hunting are the 30-30AI and 35rem in the contender. in the encore, anything on the .308 case will be fine with me.(.243, .260, 7-08, or .308).
for a straightwall case....i sure like the 357maximum.  8) after trying one of these in a factory 14" barrel, i sold my 14" 44mag  :o. i have now sold my factory max n ordered a ss custom max from MGM's barrel sale.
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2007, 12:07:16 PM »
LS, no need to argue the point.  I doubt John would tell it had he not done it.  Based on Elmer's writings, I also doubt the factory 44 Special loads equal what he was doing.  The old round nose factory loads have softer bullets than what he was casting, and I believe he was tipping the powder can a bit harder than factory at that time.

Regardless, my point is that one does not have to firewall a .44 Mag to kill whitetail deer with it.  Especially, if the shooter is sensitive to recoil.
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2007, 02:52:40 PM »
Have to agree with KYODE, the 357 max is a forgotten beast.   Makes an awesome deer round, as long as you keep your range reasonable.   ;D
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2007, 03:52:26 PM »
For deer in the Contender, I prefer the 7-30. It is pretty good out to 150 yds. and the recoil is mild. There are other cartridges that have similar characteristics; this is just my opinion.

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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2007, 03:28:09 AM »
I prefer the 7x30 Waters also.
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2007, 04:49:29 AM »
Quote from: kb on August 12, 2007, 05:05:32 AM
Quote from: Cheesehead on August 12, 2007, 03:59:32 AM
The 270 in a factory round would be a handful in the recoil department and would not be the best to down load with its larger case capacity.

Cheese

My point exactly.  Ive loaded some 270 down to some extent, but I still would like some distance shooting open.  150 yards would be my max. 

With a large case, and a little powder, the pressure will go up, and lethality (sp) will taper off. 

What is the lowest that anyone has loaded a 270 with heavy enough bullet (110/130/140/ect) to cleanly take a whitetiled deer? 

kb

kb,
As Kyode mentioned the 308 Win family, of which the 243,  260 and 7-08 are personal preferences will easily down a deer @ 150 yards and quite a bit further.
Another option if you already have a 270 Win barrel and it is hunting accurate for you is to brake it.  I would say you would be required to  wear hearing protection when you hunt, but it will take the teeth out of a  270 win barrel in short order.  The Holland Quick Discharge is awesome for this type of reduction.  I use a 7mm rem Mag Imp and the 7mm Dakota in specialty handguns and both have brakes that are easy to shoot.  My 13 year old shoots my 7 Dakota (200 grain bullet @ 2706 fps) with no problems and it has a rifle scope mounted on it to boot.  Brakes, if you are willing to use them can allow you to shoot big cartridges with enjoyment-but by all means wear the hearing protection.
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2007, 05:53:33 PM »
It's already been mentioned more than a couple of times for a reason.  My vote is for the 7-30 Waters.
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2007, 07:04:37 AM »
7x30 Waters hands down--if you reload good luck
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2007, 08:16:54 AM »
I vote for the 7-30 waters its hard to beat in a Contender.
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2007, 03:30:40 PM »
Deer are not a tough animal and will go down from a well placed shot from small caliber guns.  I'm using the 25-06 and expect it to function well when called upon to put down any deer on the planet.
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2007, 12:06:45 PM »
I took my 270 out a few days ago, and let a few rip.  Ugh.  Im really not liking this thing.  This was with some rifle loads.  Now I have some brass to load down.  Using 130g soft point, what is the lowest velocity that I could go, and still remain effective on deer out to 100+ yards? 

This will be out of a 15 inch scoped encore.

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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2007, 01:04:49 PM »
  If you have 4759 powder, start at 20 grains and work up to 24 grains with the 130 grain bullet. That will give you about 1700 fps to about 2000 fps. Watch for pressure signs as you work up.
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2007, 01:20:15 PM »
http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/cgi-bin/jbmtraj.cgi
  this shows the velocity and energy you can expect from the above loads. I don't know if these figures will be to your liking but shoot the loads at the ranges you expect to the deer to be. Make YOUR decision from actual firing, not guess work!
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