Author Topic: 308 reduced load vs 243 (Read 8291 times)

Davemuzz · « **Reply #60 on:** October 07, 2007, 01:40:03 AM »

Oh....this is one of my "Archery Buddies"

Notice the double arrow holders!!!

beemanbeme · « **Reply #61 on:** October 07, 2007, 03:13:28 AM »

Let's see, anybody that uses a rifle stouter than a popgun that baby sister can shoot flinches, right? That old chestnut needs to be put to rest; it has been perpetuated by generations of shooters that are afraid to shoot anything bigger than a .22LR.
I think we've got a bunch of golfers in here that learnt their shooting skills, if that's what they are, in a video parlour and they get their information in cyberspace.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #62 on:** October 07, 2007, 03:28:30 AM »

beemanbeme....LOL....ROFLMAF......your killin me man!!!

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #63 on:** October 07, 2007, 06:38:46 AM »

Quote from: banen on October 05, 2007, 04:10:30 PM

Coyote Hunter,
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Do you happen to have that same data for the 270 easily available? That would be another interesting one. I am told it has quite a bit more recoil, but again feels about the same to me.

No, but you can get it the same way I do - download "Point Blank" from www.huntingnut.com (its free), load it, then go to the "Misc. Functions" tab and select "Recoil Calculator".

All you need is bullet weight, velocity and rifle/scope weight.

Point Blank is a great little ballistic calculator and the only one I use any more. I'd like to use the RCBS calculator but in the past it wouldn't run on my system (64-bit XP before, now Vista).

Brithunter · « **Reply #64 on:** October 07, 2007, 08:27:22 AM »

Davemuzz,

Nice photos ..................................... very nice

Oh I noticed, yep I did really noticed.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #65 on:** October 07, 2007, 03:16:03 PM »

Davemuzz, way to get off topic. I'm not saying I mind one bit.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #66 on:** October 08, 2007, 06:25:44 AM »

Well...I knew you guys would appreciate good equipment! And nuthin beats a nice set of double arrow holders! Those are the nicest set of double arrow holders I've seen in quite some time.

Dave

Now....what was the subject???

dw06 · « **Reply #67 on:** October 08, 2007, 02:23:24 PM »

And that is some good equipment!!Me not being recoil shy,but at my age I know the double recoil from those would more than likely hurt me,but hey I'd chance it!

Davemuzz · « **Reply #68 on:** October 08, 2007, 03:14:03 PM »

Quote from: dw06 on October 08, 2007, 02:23:24 PM

And that is some good equipment!!Me not being recoil shy,but at my age I know the double recoil from those would more than likely hurt me,but hey I'd chance it!

It's like complaining about all the taxes that the lotto winners have to pay when they hit for millions. Hey.....I'll take on that burden and pay those taxes....no problem!!! Just like you say dw06...sometimes you just gotta take a risk!!!...and that would be a risk worth takeing!!! (I wonder if there is some kind of insurance for that....you know....."bodily damage" or sumpin?)

Dave

dw06 · « **Reply #69 on:** October 10, 2007, 04:47:56 AM »

Me too Dave,I'd be glad to pay the taxes.That equipment would be worth it even uninsured!

Back on topic,myself I lean toward reduced loads in 308,however would look at the 260 also,how bout reduced loads in the 260?I can't comment there as I've never shot a 260,yet.
But really the choice depends allot on her,the shooter.More info like has she shot rifles before or is she first time shooter?The 243 works no doubt,I used a 6mm and a 243 for about 6 years.She should have final say as only she knows the amount of recoil she can stand.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #70 on:** October 11, 2007, 08:06:19 AM »

I'll tell you a load that works great, has similar ballistics to the 308 and is a very mild recoiling gun....that would be the 6.5x55 Swede. If you load a 140 grain bullet and compare it to the 308 150 grain, the difference is not significant...if memory serves.

Dave

Bingo · « **Reply #71 on:** October 13, 2007, 05:00:56 AM »

I just shot my Rem. Mod. 600 in .308 for the first time yesterday. The range was 100 yrds. Once sighted in, I didn't want to take a forth shot at the bulls-eye for fear the bullet would pass through the empty space in the clover leaf made by the first three shots.
I had used Rem reduced recoil loads 125 grain core lock. I never thought I could get that kind of accuracy out of a hand load let alone a factory round. Granted, I must have one heck of a gun! I never shot that good in my life! Nun the less, the recoil was light, the rounds were accurate and no one can argue about the .308 being powerful enough for whitetail.
I used to shoot a 30.06 and used nothing but 130 grain Sierra boat tails in it. I never had to track a deer with that gun. I hit them from 15 feet to 300 yrd. and all went down quick.
I also went to the gunsmith last night to discuss the final details on my Jap type 38 re-barreled in .260 Rem. This deer season is going to be a real conundrum. My old .270 has always been my money gun but the way that .308 shoots and the new 260, I have no idea which one will get the nod.

Bingo · « **Reply #72 on:** October 13, 2007, 05:14:39 AM »

Can anyone get me her phone number and the number for a good divorce lawyer?

John020769 · « **Reply #73 on:** November 01, 2007, 06:35:08 AM »

Quote from: Davemuzz on October 07, 2007, 01:40:03 AM

Oh....this is one of my "Archery Buddies" Notice the double arrow holders!!!

Now that is a Hunting Buddy sorry , I have not seen a double barrel slingshot in long time like that

Davemuzz · « **Reply #74 on:** November 01, 2007, 06:40:47 AM »

John,

You know you just want her for those double arrow holders!

Dave

Davemuzz · « **Reply #75 on:** November 01, 2007, 06:44:57 AM »

Quote from: Bingo on October 13, 2007, 05:00:56 AM

I just shot my Rem. Mod. 600 in .308 for the first time yesterday. The range was 100 yrds. Once sighted in, I didn't want to take a forth shot at the bulls-eye for fear the bullet would pass through the empty space in the clover leaf made by the first three shots.

Bingo,

That 4th shot probably would have been an 8 or 9" flyer anyway. Look, I'll make your life easy and take the miserable Rem. .308 off your hands. I'll give you $100 under market 'cause you know that 4th shot was gonna fly.

Hey....just tryin to help ya out here. See the stress that I just lifted from your shoulders?

Dave

John020769 · « **Reply #76 on:** November 01, 2007, 07:12:18 AM »

Oh I love that arrow holder but could not afford 1 off work for heart trouble right now and only 38 but in need of 1 real bad .............

Jim n Iowa · « **Reply #77 on:** November 02, 2007, 01:46:00 PM »

I aggree with the 6.5 as a great low recoil rifle. I shoot a 243 and a 85gr bullet is ok for a Antelope at 200, I would not be that confident on "lung shot" at half that distance for Deer. A 243 is usually a 1:10 twist, and past the 85 I don't think they hold together. I realize it's the length not the weight that goes into this equation. In the 6.5 you have great choices.
Jim

Texas Hunter · « **Reply #78 on:** November 08, 2007, 02:32:52 AM »

Quote from: Jim n Iowa on November 02, 2007, 01:46:00 PM

I aggree with the 6.5 as a great low recoil rifle. I shoot a 243 and a 85gr bullet is ok for a Antelope at 200, I would not be that confident on "lung shot" at half that distance for Deer. A 243 is usually a 1:10 twist, and past the 85 I don't think they hold together. I realize it's the length not the weight that goes into this equation. In the 6.5 you have great choices.
Jim

Coming in late to the party but you are very wrong about the 1:10 twist not doing well with above 85 grain weight bullets.
My lowly little Remington 600 in 243 also has a similiar twist and it can print a three shot group at 100 yards using el cheapo Federal Power Shocks into an area that can be covered with a dime when i am calm and so is the wind.

Oh and Bingo,I too have a Rem 600 in 308 that shoots just like yours.
In fact all three of my 600's shoot very like that.
Must be the reason that those $99.00 rifles built yesterday now start at $400.00 for a well used and in rough condition example of one today

no guns here · « **Reply #79 on:** November 13, 2007, 04:56:10 AM »

I personally never saw a reason for the .308 to even exist. I always thought it was just a weak .30-'06. But I just bought a Tikka T3 Lite .308 and can't wait to get a scope on it. The .308 is nearly universal here in Europe for everything from roe deer to hogs to red deer, mufflon and chamois. I also have a 6mm Remington in the Ruger 77 Heavy Barrel that is a sweet shooting gun. I begged a buddy to sell it to me after he smoked a couple of deer with it one year in 'Bama. That is the one my wife shoots at deer. Way less kick that the '06 and less than my .308 too. It's the same relation to the .243 that the '06 is to the .308. Same bullet, just faster. If I moved up north where the deer are big I probably wouldn't choose that as my primary. In fact I have many rifles now that are better "all-around" choices that I probably won't hunt deer with it again. But then, the original question wasn't about an "all-around" rifle. For a young girl (and I have three teenagers) a heavy barreled .243 (or in my case 6mm) would be (and is) just fine. They will be hunting in controlled conditions with easy shots at feeding deer. All we have to do is wait for a good shot and make a gentle squeeze. That little 6mm pill will have them on the ground with 50 yards... Would my .308 (with any loading) kill them any faster with a heart/lung shot? Probably not. On other shots, yep, it'll have a better chance of dropping them quickly and humanely. When the kids graduate to hunting more on their own, they get to choose what they want to use. I'll advise them but they have to make that choice on their own. For my kids, I'll try to get them to stay with a mid-range round starting with a 6.5x55 and moving up to a '06 level. No need for more... I've shot deer with .223, 30-30, 6mm, '06, 44 mag, 45-70, .45 cal and 50 cal muzzleloaders and 12 and 20 gauge slugs. Not as many as some but enough to know that middle calibers at about 2400 to 3000 fps just do the job without too much fuss and muss. The bigger bullets and slugs do it just as well, they just hurt more on the shooting end too. No sense hurting the kids or wounding deer with iffy shots for little bullets.

ngh

Bingo · « **Reply #80 on:** November 18, 2007, 04:48:02 AM »

I have all of the above and wouldn't hesitate to use any of them for deer. I have a .243 a 308 and a 260 Rem. as well as a .270.

If you are looking for a new gun, I'ld go 260 for a hand load, 308 for factory ammo ( reduced recoil shoots just fine out of my 308. 3 shots one big hole at 100 yrds) Or which ever one you can get a good deal on if you are getting a used gun.
Other than that, the only other suggestion I would make is GET A GOOD SCOPE!
Post back and let us know what you get.

Oh, I almost forgot! If it is for a lady, consider a Rem. mod. 7. They are built for shorter people like me.

saltydog · « **Reply #81 on:** November 23, 2007, 04:57:33 AM »

For your stated purpose a 243 WIN would be great - it is an efficient and deadly killer. Those who are not stuck in the Zumbo era realize there are modern bullets designed to handle velocity and penetrate mid size game animals. The 243 has significantly less recoil than a 308 and is more common to find a wide selection of ammunition than the excellent 260 REM. The 308 while an outstanding cartridge would be a handloading situation or limited specialized low recoil ammo use.

jamie · « **Reply #82 on:** November 25, 2007, 05:17:05 AM »

Quote from: beemanbeme on October 07, 2007, 03:13:28 AM

I think we've got a bunch of golfers in here that learnt their shooting skills, if that's what they are, in a video parlour and they get their information in cyberspace.

Gotta agree with you on this part. Growing up hunting eastern whitetails taught me alot, including the fact that a .243 will definitely do the job at 300 yards. Yep you have to pick your shot placement but you should be doing that with everything you shoot and it is a lot easier to do it with a less recoiling gun.

Also as Bingo states, if she has short arm length look into a youth model.

Skeezix · « **Reply #83 on:** December 06, 2007, 10:13:14 AM »

Davemuzz: You made my afternoon.

I think I'll take up bowhunting again.........

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #84 on:** December 06, 2007, 11:58:29 AM »

The previous pics should go in the Big Bore catigory, not the Medium bore.