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Back from my Black bear hunt. :) Small report.
« on: August 18, 2007, 04:08:08 PM »
Well I am back home from a successful and fun black bear hunt in Canada. We left on Monday the 13th of September and I drove 12 hours the first day and had a 5 hour drive the next day. We arrived in Cochrane Ontario Canada and pick up our licenses. We headed to the Outfitters called Zaverucha Outfitters. There we met our guide Eddie Zaverucha and got our cabin and did some paper work. The next day we met with the guide and got the agenda for the day.

I was taken in the bush about a mile out of camp on a 4 wheeler and was instructed to come back on the trail I was taken in on if I did not get a bear that night. I was thinking that is a long haul back to camp in the bush, but hay that's bear hunting. Well I got in my stand about 1:30 PM and was sitting about 40 yards from the bait site. I had my Marlin Guide gun in 45-70 with 405 gr. hard cast bullets. I watch the red squirrels jumping in and out of the 55 gallon drum and was amused at the smaller squirrels that kept trying to get up the barrel but kept falling back off. At about 3:40 PM I saw the bear come into the bait site, I hit my video recorder on and took aim at the bear, I noticed the bear had a very large white patch on it's chest when he jumped up to knock the barrel over, at that time I decided I was going to take that bear. That white patch sold me on the bear. I took my shot at which time the bear hunched up and ran into the bush to my left. I only heard it go a short distance and then it got quit.

I sat on the stand about 10 minuets and decided to get out of the stand and go over to where I had shot. I found blood with bubbles in it, so I knew I had a good lung shot on the bear, I followed the blood trail for about 25 yards and there was my bear dead. I got on the radio and called back to camp and told them I had a bear down. They told me someone was still in camp and they would come back with the four wheeler and get me and the bear. So I filled out my tag and tagged my bear. I drug the bear to a clearing and waited. I reset the bait barrel while I was waiting. When the guide got there we loaded the bear and headed back to camp. At that time I checked my shot location and I hit the bear right behind the shoulder, the bullet came out the other side of the bear and hit the leg right above the knee joint. So the shot was a double lung and took out one leg. The bear weighed 175 LB, but the sad thing was, there was not an ounce of fat on the bear. The blue berry crop was destroyed by an early frost in July and the bears up there are hungry and not building fat reserve. That bear should of weighted 250 to 275 LB. It was a large framed bear with a big head and feet. The weather was cold for this time of year, it was in the 40's at night and rainy and 50's during the day.

My buddy did not see a bear on the first night, so the next day I was going to follow the trucks out of camp and wait for my buddy in the bush while the guide took other hunter out as well, but there was a change of plains as we were told by our guide. We found out a big bear came into camp early that morning and was going through empty coolers in front of the cabins, we also found out that the bait that I took my bear on and were I had set up the bait site before I left was hit again that night. So my buddy was asked if he wanted to go into the stand I was in the night before. He said sure and at 1:30 off they went. I stayed in camp with my radio and was given guide duty, LOL. I was in the cabin putting away stuff and I hear the radio go off. My buddy asked if I was there, I asked him if he was OK because it was only 3:00 PM and he said he had shot a bear but it jumped back into the bush and he did not know if it was dead. I told him I was on the way. When I got to the bait site the bear and my buddy were there and the bear was dead. It just leaped right into the bush about 5 yards and died. We took pictures of the bear and my buddy and we loaded it up and headed back to camp. We skinned out the bear and gutted it. He did a perfect shot also, right in the shoulder and it took out both lungs and the opposite side shoulder. His bear was in the same condition as mine, very large bear but no fat, his weighed 180 LB and the hide were both in prime condition, they will make some great full body mounts.  We hung it up for about 2 hours and then loaded it up and took it to the butchers. We loaded up Thursday night and left Friday afternoon after we got out bears registered and got the paperwork for transporting the bear back to the good old US of A. We got back today Saturday after a long drive back home.

I would highly recommend Zaverucha Outfitters, they are a class act and a great guide service. http://www.blackbearhunt.ca/indexx.html

The guide was telling us the bears are starving up there, there is a major bear problem in the upper part of Ontario, one town had a report of well over 700 nuisance bear problems and had to kill 18 of them. The locals up there were telling us that bear are coming into town all the time. Many of the locals are fighting to reopen the spring bear season in Ontario, but they feel that it will take someone to get killed before the government will act on it.
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Re: Back from my Black bear hunt. :) Small report.
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2007, 05:27:07 AM »
Sounds like an awesome trip!  I am a little concerned about how you said the bears are starving.  I'll be hunting further south and hopefully they'll be fat and happy.  Do you have any pictures to post?

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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2007, 05:49:35 AM »
Sounds like ya had a good time, thanks for sharing. ;)

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Re: Back from my Black bear hunt. :) Small report.
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2007, 06:19:48 AM »
Sounds like an awesome trip!  I am a little concerned about how you said the bears are starving.  I'll be hunting further south and hopefully they'll be fat and happy.  Do you have any pictures to post?


teddy12b, maybe starving was a bit over stated. The bear are eating for substance only. The blue berry's and raspberries are for them to build up fat reserves. The other problem with bears with no fat reserve is they are hitting the bait's hard and when you see 7 to 8 bears come to one bait it is showing that the bears are trying to survive. I am just relaying information form the guide. He said he has not seen bears this time of year without a good fat layer. My buddy that went with me is my taxidermist also, he said the same thing, he has not had a bear in that did not have a bunch of fat he had to shave off this time of year. We did have one female bear shot by another group in camp that had a small amount of fat on her.

I do have some pic's but I have yet to learn to post them.  I can e-mail you some if you like.
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2007, 06:37:25 AM »
Redhawk1,
  I just sent you a personal E-mail so you could send some pictures if you'd like.

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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2007, 06:44:49 AM »
You got mail.  ;D
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2007, 06:47:10 AM »
Very nice mail if I say so myself!  Great pictures and that's a sweet Marlin you got there too!

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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2007, 07:56:33 AM »
You can add the pics if they are of the allowed file types, just hit the "additional options" to the left under the post window, hit the "browse" button and find the pics on your PC, select up to 6 pics per post by using the "more attachments" next to the browse button....or hit my email button and send the pics to me, I'll add them to your post. ;)

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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2007, 10:06:33 AM »
quickdtoo, I would be glad to take you up on your offer. I will send you the pic's.

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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2007, 10:16:56 AM »
You're welcome, they're posted! ;)

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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2007, 02:18:35 PM »
Redhawk1,

Congrats on that bear!  I'm sure you're proud as heck.  I like that white on its underside.  Any data on the wound channel or velocity of load?  That's a good quick kill. 

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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2007, 03:08:11 PM »
quickdtoo, thanks for posting the pic's.

jk3006, the damage to the bear was minimal as far as the rib cage. There was a nice 45 Cal hole in and looked like a 45 cal hole out the opposite side of the rib cage and the front leg had a through and through hole the size of a little bigger than a 45 cal hole. I am shooting a 405 gr. hard cast bullet at a little over 1800 fps.
Yes the white patch looks great and was a big plus for me taking that bear.  If you look close, the white comes way up on the front of the bear.

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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2007, 02:14:34 PM »
 i would have not shot the first bear that came into the bait pile on the first day out. 

honestly,  i dont care how bad the berry crop was this year,  that bear has never weighed 275 pounds.  and it could have feasted on berries, honey, and corn all year and wouldnt be close to 200 pounds.    we get bears like that in the towns around here now and then.  we chase them away with a broom.   i think the guys up there are blowing smoke at ya.   


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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2007, 07:05:16 AM »
everyone i  ave shown this to at work and home the first thing they say is " that is a little bear".     i just cant see going through all the trouble you did to smoke the first thing that comes into the bait the first day out.    here in wisconsin, it is illegal to shoot cubs.   canada must have different laws. 

there are days i see multiple bears, so yeah, i think i know a few things about them.   definately know that bear was last years cub.  my rott was bigger than that.  maybe a name change is in order.....how about "   lil'bear  "  ????? 
screw canada,  next time,  come to wisconsin and shoot one bigger off of my bird feeder.   

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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2007, 08:36:51 AM »
OK guys Alex paid for the trip it was his decision to make and he is satisfied with the results. That's all that matters in the end is it not? Let's get beyond the argument of whether he should or should not have shot it as it was no one's decision but his to make and he did just that he made the decision.


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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2007, 10:00:53 AM »
everyone i  ave shown this to at work and home the first thing they say is " that is a little bear".     i just cant see going through all the trouble you did to smoke the first thing that comes into the bait the first day out.    here in wisconsin, it is illegal to shoot cubs.   canada must have different laws. 

there are days i see multiple bears, so yeah, i think i know a few things about them.   definately know that bear was last years cub.  my rott was bigger than that.  maybe a name change is in order.....how about "   lil'bear  "  ????? 
screw canada,  next time,  come to wisconsin and shoot one bigger off of my bird feeder.   

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I drug the bear to a clearing and waited.

Thanks for your concern and input, it is obvious you don't know bears, it was no cub. Yes I drug the bear, 10 yards to the clearing on an old trail, not hard to do when you have a rope and put plastic under the bear.  I guess you feel better about yourself trying to make others look bad and putting down others. Real big man you are. Internet tough guy, I know your kind well. Around here we call them cowards. Alligator mouth with a humming bird butt.

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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2007, 03:04:04 AM »
 i aint saying you shouldnt have killed a bear,  just wondering why on earth after all the time and expense that you would shoot the first bear that came in.   usually the smaller bears come in,  then they get larger from there.   they have their own hierarchy.  were it me,  i would have hunted at least two days and only shot a bear the first day out if it was a bigger one.   but that is me,  and i like to HUNT, killing isnt that important to me.   

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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2007, 06:15:35 AM »
You guys have done something I didn't think was possible... You've made me feel sorry for Redhawk.  I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2007, 09:57:37 AM »
You guys have done something I didn't think was possible... You've made me feel sorry for Redhawk.  I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Well dang I'd not go THAT far but you're correct folks are attempting to rain on Alex's parade for no good reason. As I said it was his money spent and his decision to make. What you would have done is of absolutely no importance in his decision to pull the trigger. We all have to decide for ourselves what is to us a trophy when we go hunting. Size or rack size or whatever is not the ONLY measure of a trophy. Unique markings or characteristics of a rack or hide can make or break it as a trophy to many if not most of us. He clearly stated that white patch was a clincher for him it made it unusual and unique and the trophy he wanted to bring home. That's really all that matters it was the bear he chose to bring home.

When we go on a hunt far from home and spend the bucks we all hope to return home with a trophy that satisfies us whether it satisfies anyone else matters not. Some times we manage to accomplish the goal and some times we come home empty handed. Whether to pull the trigger first day of the hunt or wait is a tough decision to make for most I think as it means the hunt is over for better or worse. It does mean we come home with an animal at least but will it be THE ONE that was the best we could have taken? Most times you'll never know if you pull the trigger and end the hunt but if you don't and wait and the clock ticks down that last day and you bring home your tag rather than a critter you can bet you'll likely be wishing you'd have pulled the trigger. Maybe not I brought one home from Colorado and don't regret it one bit as the only shot offer didn't meet my personal goal for the hunt and no other was presented for the duration of the hunt for several reasons way beyond my control. If I'd pulled the trigger on that one tho I'd be even more unhappy today but that's me and it was my decision and I made it.

This was Alex's decision he made it and he's happy so if you're not why feel the need to tell him about it?


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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2007, 10:13:13 AM »
I don't know about you guys, but I have experienced exactly what Graybeard is talking about.  I planned a deer hunt in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan a year in advance and on the opening day I saw a (barely 3pt) buck and a doe come in just as I was about to get out of my stand.  I let him walk thinking "hey, it's only the first day".  I spent the rest of that week thinking I was the worlds biggest dumby because I didn't see another deer that week.  All I could think about was coulda, woulda, shoulda.  I had planned on getting one at some point and possibly getting to do some fishing or hiking and waterfall viewing.  Instead I spent a week freezing my rear off in a tree wishing I'd pulled the trigger.  That also would have been my first deer which just rubbed salt into an open wound.  Going home empty handed isn't fun and without the meat it doesn't help justify the expense of the trip.

I think that bear definitely has some unique markings and I wish I could see it with my own eyes.  Pictures hardly ever do anything justice and I'm not going to try to rain on another guys parade.  Congrats on your hunt.  I'll be back from mine next Saturday night and I'll let everyone know how goes.  Hopefully everyone will be in a friendly mood.

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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2007, 10:35:47 AM »
Hey redhawk , nice bear ! around Va. it would be a good bear to get ! i don't feel sorry for you , you had a successful hunt ! trip of a life time for many !
i however do feel sorry for myroman3 , it is a selfish thing to not be able to enjoy another hunters accomplishments !
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2007, 01:11:21 PM »
Hey redhawk , nice bear ! around Va. it would be a good bear to get ! i don't feel sorry for you , you had a successful hunt ! trip of a life time for many !
i however do feel sorry for myroman3 , it is a selfish thing to not be able to enjoy another hunters accomplishments !

Yes Graybeard made some valid points, I went to Maine last year and passed on 3 bears waiting for a big one, I came home empty handed but I still had a great hunt. Could I have waited for a bigger bear this time, sure I could of, but when this bear stepped out and I seen it's white patch I decided right then I was taking the bear. This was not a trip of a life time for me, I have hunted bear quit a few times and I will be going back. I am not in a rush to shoot a big bear, I already have a 400 pounder in a rug. Also I have nothing to prove by shooting a bigger bear. My trophy is what ever I take.

My hunt was more of a very good friend and I getting away and having a great hunt together. myronman3 and dukkillr  and there buddy are just jerks looking to do what anti's do every day. "Put down hunters" 

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{three years as a airborne ranger mean nothing.}  Sorry to hear you are a Vet, I am a Vet myself, 10 years of service. Your words and actions speak volumes about you.
My taxidermist had to laugh when I told him you said my bear was a cub, he said I guess he does not know anything about bears. So I guess the joke is on you MR Airborne Range Bear expert.

To the guys that are truly hunters,  I thank you for the congrats.

teddy12b, good luck on your hunt and have a blast.
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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2007, 04:00:21 PM »
myronman3 and dukkillr  and there buddy are just jerks looking to do what anti's do every day. "Put down hunters" 

What did I do?  Am I a jerk because I felt sorry for you when people were making fun of your smallish bear that you obviously had a great deal of pride in?  I never said anything that could even be construed as negative up until I was called a "jerk". 

As it turns out I actually agree with you, it's your money you can shoot the first, biggest, smallest, or any other bear that strikes your fancy... My first elk was a smallish 5pt and I was pumped... when I go this year I won't shoot an immature bull or cow though, because with experience, my goals have changed... Everyone gets to set their own goals...

If you guys ever decide to quit posturing about who's bigger and tougher and settle your problems face to face I'll rent an octagon and take the bets.  Or as they say in Tombstone, you could have a spelling contest!  ;)

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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2007, 02:27:59 AM »
dukkillr, I am going on past posts from you to me. Also I don't need anyone to feel sorry for me. Your comment "I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry." was more of a joke.  That is how I took it. If I was wrong then I apologize.

But as I stated before, I hunt for myself and the fun of hunting. I never go on a hunt thinking I need to take the biggest animal in the woods in order to be considered a good hunter. I have taken lesser animals because I thought they were unique. I have a house full of trophy's, from a button buck to 10 pointers, I have a small black bear that weighed 100 pounds to a 400 pound black bear. I have never taken a black bear with a white patch until now.  I also have numerous other animals mounted that I considered unique and special to me. When people go only for the trophy and to see if they can get the biggest, they have truly lost what hunting is all about.
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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2007, 03:01:15 AM »
again,  for you thin skinned thick headed people.....

my concern is that after all that time and expense,  from what you wrote here,  is that you were being fed a bunch of hooey.  shoot all the small bears you want to,  in the end it makes no diff to me. 

and your taxidermist?  remember, you are paying him.   odds are he isnt going to say anything you dont want to hear.  tell him to be careful not to wash out any stains on the hide.   

as far as my actions speaking volumes for me,  same goes for you.   i dont see where i ever launched personal insults at you,  just highlighting what i thought might be some  bad information fed to you.    you didnt like the message,  so you call me a faggot and now you are  sorry i am a vet.    like i said, your actions speak volumes as well.     i am sorry you have such a hard time with the truth, it isnt my fault that it hurts so much. 

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Re: Back from my Black bear hunt. :) Small report.
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2007, 03:03:05 AM »
i see now that the other posts red made are gone,  yet nothing i have typed has been modified.   which means that i havent broken any of the rules here.   everyone reading this just keep in mind that alot of the responses red made have been deleted by someone so if you havent followed this thread from the beginning, it does look like i am picking on redhawk.   if everything that was originally posted were still here,  the picture would be alot clearer.

so dont be so quick to be sorry for people.

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Re: Back from my Black bear hunt. :) Small report.
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2007, 03:07:51 AM »
Didn't mean it was your lifetime hunt , but for some it would be ! glad you shared your hunt , the white patch was a nice addition to a trophy ! a 400 pounder WOW !
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Re: Back from my Black bear hunt. :) Small report.
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2007, 04:22:25 AM »
i see now that the other posts red made are gone,  yet nothing i have typed has been modified.   which means that i havent broken any of the rules here.   everyone reading this just keep in mind that alot of the responses red made have been deleted by someone so if you havent followed this thread from the beginning, it does look like i am picking on redhawk.   if everything that was originally posted were still here,  the picture would be alot clearer.

so dont be so quick to be sorry for people.

myronman3, the post that was deleted is in the trash can, NOT A LOT as you put it,  it was directed toward another member also, but his post was deleted also. So one post that was deleted does not give you the right to come here and be a big baby and try to put down my hunt. The post that was deleted was in response to you and your buddy coming here trying to take away from my hunt and personal experience. My post was after your post not before. Don't try to cover your tracks now. I do have my post that was deleted in my e-mail format along with the time a day it was posted. It was after your 2 post that I replied.

As far as my taxidermist, he happens to be a good friend and would not hold back telling me how he feels. I get crap from him all the time. From the small button buck I have killed and had mounted to just having fun. We don't have a problem talking to each other and giving constructive criticism without trying to be an ass about it like you have.
As far as getting bad advice from our guide and outfitter, I guess 24 years of guiding and being an outfitter takes away from his knowledge. Also, I was there and seen what he was talking about. Were you their? So what make you the bear expert that can tell the weight of a bear from a picture. Send me your address and I will send you a copy of the bears age when I get the information back from the Canadian ministry in about 6 months. Then we will see how a 3 to 4 year old be can be called a cub.

You say you did not ever launched personal insults at me, I disagree. You were trying to belittle me with your comments and attitude. If you feel insulted, you should.
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Re: Back from my Black bear hunt. :) Small report.
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2007, 04:26:20 AM »
Didn't mean it was your lifetime hunt , but for some it would be ! glad you shared your hunt , the white patch was a nice addition to a trophy ! a 400 pounder WOW !

SHOOTALL, you are right, to some it would be a hunt of a life time and I am sure they would be just as proud of that bear as I am.
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Re: Back from my Black bear hunt. :) Small report.
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2007, 04:37:50 AM »
ABSOLUTELY NO MORE personal jabs and put downs are going to be tolerated on this thead. Damn it all of you KNOW it's against the rules here and I'm sick and tired of it. If you have nothing else but such to say take it elsewhere.


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