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   This first paragraph is an update on 4/3/08. (And now another on 9/28/08.  This post is very long and worth reading, I believe, but please read my 9/28 post before spending your time reading the whole thing.)  As you'll read below I stated that magnetic north had moved 10 degrees west last fall.  I checked a couple of days ago and found that declination is now only 8 deg, from the historic 22.5 for this area, so it has moved another 4 degrees in a few months.  I also stated that the sun rises and sets much farther to the north than it ever did before in the 18 years we have lived here.  When visiting with an 80 year old friend last week I mentioned this to him and he said, while setting in his living room chair looking out a west facing window.  "Yes, for the 36 years I've lived here the sun always set right over there in the middle of Smith creek canyon, but the last two years it sets a half mile up the mountain to the north."  We were looking across a wide river canyon at the mountain range, about 6 miles away.  I told this to reinforce the fact that there was a DRAMATIC change in two years.  For more information as to why we are getting dramatic climate change, magnetic change, and earth tilt, do a search on HAARP, the government project which I believe to be primarily if not totally responsible.  With the search you can read what a lot of other people say.  As you read pay attention to the purpose of this monster.  Climate and magnetic change, MIND CONTROL plus a LOT more.  Understand that the  grid was installed several years ago, and immediately arctic ice began to melt fast, then they installed double the outstations two years ago, and the earth tilt happened when the outstations were completed.  Precisely.           It ain't OK with me!



   Everyone is aware of the extreme weather changes, especially in the last year, but most are in the dark as to the earth changes which are the main causes.  Perhaps you've noticed the sun traveling farther north in the sky during summer, as I have, gradually for several years, and dramatically last summer?  This is because the earth axis has tilted in the last 2 years from 23.5 degrees to 49.5 degrees, with a major portion of that tilt occurring in December of 2006!  At the time of this severe change the GPS system was knocked out for a while, but was soon corrected.  The point here being.  The earth is in a very unstable mode and the same can happen again, so don't rely entirely on a GPS.  Obtain a good lensatic compass with declination adjustment.  The two I've owned and recommend, for simplicity, accuracy, compactness, and ruggedness are the Silva Ranger and Brunton which looks and works almost identical.  Both are liquid filled.   (I purchased my Brunton recently from  www.Baileysonline.com,     a logger supply.)
  Expect dramatic sesmic activity in the near future.   World wide, but especially along our west coast.  It is already happening, is increasing rapidly, and predictions call for far worse soon!
   With the above earth tilt  is a change in the magnetic field of the earth, which is the motivating subject of this post.  Specifically, on how to set a compass to get yourself squared up with the map you are using.  Here in northern Idaho when I put up the buildings in 1990 I squared them with the earth using a lensatic compass with declination adjusted at 22 1/2 degrees, which is the declination given on maps for this area.  With that setting, the buildings are off around 10 degrees now!  That's enough to throw one completely off coarse and render a map near worthless for long treks in the woods.

  The easiest way to find true east/ west is to mark the tip of the shadow from some tall object such as a light pole, on the ground, wait till the sun moves the shadow, mark again, then set your compass to those two marks.  To get two marks which are exactly east/west, the marks must be made precisely the same amount of time each side of true noon, or 1 oclock if daylight saving time.  A mark at 11 and again at 1 will give an adequately long mark to set your compass accurately, but two hours each way is even better.  To set the compass, adjust the dial so the east/west marks are aligned with the sights, sight down your marks, with the compass rested on a solid nonmagnetic surface, then turn the declination arrow until the compass needle is perfectly centered in it.  Forget what declination named on the map is.  Your compass will now align the map properly with the world.  If and when the earth turns a bit more, set your compass this way again.

  When you purchase one of the above compasses, you'll get good instructions on its use, but here is the handiest hunter tidbit I know of where roads are winding as in mountain and hill country, which isn't mentioned in anything I've read about compass navigation. --  When you leave your vehicle, take a reading of the road where it is setting.  Write it down if you will be changing the compass setting for other reasons, such as a reverse asmus, which is all that's needed to bring you back to the road (somewhere on it) for most day trecks. (This will be in the compass instructions.) When you arrive back on the road, probably somewhere out of sight from your ride, and you don't know which way you are from it, simply align your map with the world, using the compass set along one straight edge of the map.  Now, set the compass to the reading you took at your vehicle, then, while keeping the needle inside the declination arrow brackets, run one edge of the compass along the roads on the map till you find a spot where the compass aligns perfectly.  Your rig is right there.  Take a reading of the road where you are standing and find your location on the map just as you did for your rig.  This is the most simple and accurate way I know of to find your way back for most hunting excursions.  I often never take the compass out of my pocket till I get back to the road, then go through the steps to save walking in the wrong direction to fine my vehicle.  I've walked 2 or 3 miles in the wrong direction several times in my life, then had to back track.  It's hateful when one has already spent his energy hunting and climbing mountains! 

  As for the cataclysmic weather changes  which we are now and certainly will be enduring for the forseeable future, my advise is, that, if you haven't read it already, you read the post I made on Nov 1 2006.  The post is named "Getting out of trouble in the woods."  It delves quite deeply into the spiritual aspect of 'doing hard time', to use a prison phrase.  What I wrote back then is becoming more valid and important for all to understand as these rough times ahead unfold.  Understand as you read it, that I feel I am on a mission, to spread what I have learned through the hammering I've taken the last 7 years.  I'd crawl for miles on my hands and knees, in the mud, dirt, rain or snow, to save any one of you if you were lost, and I'm sharing this information with the same love for my fellow man.  May God help you understand all I'm telling you and far more. 
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Re: Extreme weather/earth tilt/ magnetic field change
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2007, 03:06:33 PM »
 Thank you, Veral. Larry....aka Woodbutcher

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Re: Extreme weather/earth tilt/ magnetic field change
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2007, 05:32:26 PM »
  I set up a pole today to find out exactly how much magnetic north had moved here in the northern tip of Idaho.  Declination here is now 15 deg East instead of 22.5 as it has been historically and is given on all area maps.  A 7 1/2 deg change, which I suppose will be the amount of change across the US.  But remember the poles are moving daily, and have been for at least a couple years, so check for yourself before you go on a long trek, especially after some time has elapsed after this writing. So setting your compass by the sun is the most reliable way I know of.
   Having lived in the mountains for the last 30 years, so  I've sorta forgotten that most of the flat land USA is laid out with straight N/S. E/W roads.  These were laid out accurately by surveyors and work very well to set your compass declination.  You'll know if the roads are straight with the world if they are parallel with the map edges.  Also, a GPS can be used if it is slid along a plank so it travels in a dead straight line.  Move one end of the plank as needed till the GPS compass dial reads exactly North, then set your compass declination by aligning with the plank edge you slid along.  The GPS I have is a recent manufacture Garmin, which has a compass dial, so I'm supposing that all brands have the same.  Understand that GPS's cannot be used as a compass,  and  have to be moving to point direction, but the normal sideways swaying of walking will make the pointer oscillate no matter how carefully one tries to keep a straight line, and there will be no point of reference without a guide to slide along.  I'm suggesting the GPS because it is so quick, though it will not be as accurate for this purpose as by using the shadow tracks of the sun as outlined above.

  I talked to quite a few locals about the tipped earth, moving poles, and met with a lot of static.  It is hard to believe, and people don't WANT to believe.  But my experience is first hand, and I wouldn't not have written about it without personal proof.  I noticed it first when I saw the sun at its summer solstice being farther north each of the last two years, with a dramatic change last year.  I have sat in front of my shop and drank my morning coffee at sunup every morning for years, when it isn't too cold.  The amazing thing is that I had to move my chair about 6 feet farther south to get shade from a large fir tree 100 feet  to the east!  Then, I found declination of my new compass was way off.  Both problems were explained and solved as outlined above.  But one can only use the summer (or winter) solstice as proof of earth tilt  if they know what it's maximum northern movement has been historically, and if the difference is noticed for the few days when it is at it's equinox.  Keep in mind that earth tilt and magnetic north change are two entirely different critters.  Earth tilt of the degree we are in right now causes dramatic weather changes with dramatically colder winters, hotter summers and too many hotter than normal growing season days for what various crops/local plants are acclimated to. 

  For personal proof,  when the sun isn't at one of the equinox's, take a look at the night sky and you'll see that the north star and big dipper are far higher in the sky than you have ever seen them before last summer, and the moon far lower.  Here in Idaho, the north star is so high it is a bit difficult to tell which way is north, and the big dipper, when in it's sothernmost postion, is straight overhead!!  It is also clearly visable when in it's northernmost position, or below the north star, though before the earth tilt only a small part of the dipper was visable at this position.   So, If the age old quick method of watching star movement to find direction is used it will not work as well in north country if a close to vertical star is used, as is mandatory in thick woods.  This because the north star doesn't move and those close to it rotate slowly.  If you aren't aware of this direction finding trick, here is how it's done.  Lay on your back so you can align a star with a twig or dead snag high up as you can locate.  The star will gradually move west.  If a star, or the moon are viewed through a scope, with the gun solidly rested, the movement will be dramitically rapid, and you'll know direction within a couple seconds.  If a low western star is selected it will drop down rapidly, an eastern star will rise straight up, a southern will travel straight west.  But now a northern star close to the north star, which can be near vertical when viewed in the north country of the US, will hardly move and one below the north star will travel east rather than west.  These are stars which were not visible before the earth shift.  Understand that the night sky is reverse of the day sky, in other words, the sun is farther north than historically, the stars and moon farther south.
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Keep us posted Veral. This has happened in the past, and history has a way of repeating itself.
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you recon that the ice cap could be melting because it is tilted more to the sun???  But then I'm just a dumb ole country boy.
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While I'm not necessarily sure I buy into HAARP being the culprit I will say that the sun was setting last summer in a vastly different place than all the other summers since I've lived here and we moved here in the summer of '94. It also was rising quite differently as well.

Since I've not been sitting out on the front porch much morning or evening so far this year so I've not really paid that much attention to the sun's rising or setting but will more so as the weather continues to warm.


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  I have a 'thing' about people who hand out scare information and have no answer or idea as to what anyone can do about the problem.  So, when I started this post I only named the problem which I saw, which related to hunters, and gave my solution.  Now, I'm going to spill a few more beans on why the above earth changes have happened and tell you the only solution that I know of.  The whole thing is a small part of a huge master plan to take over the world with a one world government, which is the beast system named in the Bible, book of Revelation, with our time frame being the last, which is covered in pretty strong detail in chapters 16, 17, and I believe 18.  In other words, the war is spiritual, with Satan and his minions against Christ and his people.  Since the predictions were made 2000 years ago and are almost fulfilled now in exact detail, it seems wise for us to give the matter our undivided attention.   The only solution we have as individuals is to choose the side we want, and the winner will be Christ, so it makes sense to choose that side.
  All who love freedom hate what is being done, when they learn, and many will fight the bad guys without first choosing Christ as their guide.  Whatever anyone does to fight the beast will fail if they are given to ungodliness or evil, because being given to what we know is wrong against our fellow man and God is being spiritually under the control of Satan.  When we consciously choose to side with God and ask His wisdom, it is promised that He will give it.  Many who do will still go to prison, as my wife and I already have, and many will die for the cause, but if so, it won't matter to anyone who has the spirit of Christ in them.  The important thing is, many who choose to battle this thing with Gods guidence will prevail and do mighty things against them, and in so doing will turn many people away from being duped by the beast.  If you believe that God made you, which he did, then you should also believe that He should have first rights to using you for his work and glory.  --  This is an awful simple sermon on spirituality, but you only have to make a decision and ask for guidence from God.  He will witness to you in a way that you know is from Him, and will take you in the right direction from there.  The most wonderful part about it is that you will no longer fear death or what lies ahead, but will wade into whatever comes with complete and perfect peace of mind.  You can't buy it with money and can't learn it.  It is given free, when you give yourself.

 About your question as to whether HAARP is the culprit.  -- No, I'd say it isn't, the people responsible for putting it up there are the culprits.  If one does a bit of study into the technology, it started with a joint US/Russian project called Woodpecker, I think 10 years or so before the HAARP project was built, and it's purpose was for mind control of people.

   Some of the stated purposes of the HAARP project which I have read about are:
    To melt polar ice for easier oil exploration.
    To shift the magnetic poles of the earth. (Using monstrous electro magnets.)
    To beam  microwave energies out and around the world, which are in turn reflected down on select areas so those who think they are wiser than God can  alter the weather, create storms etc.  The energies are reflected both from many outstations or towers, and from clouds, and especially special chemical laded chem trail clouds designed for the purpose.
    For mind control.  --  This last is beastly and scary to anyone who loves freedom.  When the planned computer chips are finally injected into all who can be scared into taking them, the chips will be used as targets, so to speak, and energies from HAARP and other sources, namely satellites, can be beamed to whole populations, or specific areas, or specific individuals, to obtain the desired responses, and for torture.  --  I sure wish I were a big liar and not telling the truth here, but I'm speaking from personal experiance.  My wife was chipped while they held her illegally (detained, without conviction) and is tortured night and day since.  I have been hit with it several times, when I moved to the exact spot where she had just been.  I might add that what have to be unmanned aircraft are also used.  Clearly visible and easily described when they are visable, but too small to hold a man.  We see them quite often since the government attack against us, which is to take LBT out of business and prevent me from sharing my knowledge with the world.  This is what the government told us off the record, when I was released from prison an started LBT up again.

   Scientest claim that the record cold winter weather we have just experianced around the globe, has replaced all the arctic ocean ice which has been lost for the last several years.  Maybe so, but it sure didn't replace the glaciers which have melted steadly.  The poin't here is.  If ice on the oceans melts, water levels don't change and there is no weight shift on the earth, but when glaciers melt, land mass shifts dramatically, which puts dramatic changes on the plates which create sesmic activity if they are moved.  Our cold winter didnt' fix that problem, and if the earth stays tilted this summer and all to follow will be hotter and melt more ice.

    All the problems I named through this post have started immediately after HAARP was fired up.  2 years ago  the outstations were doubled, with completion in the fall.  The earth tilt which I described happened a couple months after the outstations were completed.  I don't understand anything about the techical aspects of how it was done, etc, etc, but the timing cannot be overlooked.
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I hope that the earth doesn't tilt too much.  If it does, we'll all fall off!

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  We can probably all stay on if it doesn't start shaking too bad.  For sure, we can't just step off if we don't like the ride!
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Veral I normally dont stop here to read posts.
But strangely just last night I made a comment to my Wife that the Moon was setting farther north then it has been for some reason, by quite a bit. And she jokingly answered well maybe the storm we just had blew it up there.
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Re: Extreme weather/earth tilt/ magnetic field change -- Update information
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2008, 07:07:20 AM »
Veral, there's a bunch of people living on boats who still use celestial navigation and /nobody/ is going to tell them what to do. They are more independent than cats or goats.

Check out the celestial navigation, live aboard, and ocean cruising sites on the net. They will be talking about anything changing, and they will have documented anything changing, and by how much.

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Re: Extreme weather/earth tilt/ magnetic field change -- Update information
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2008, 07:31:56 AM »
Chilachuck, can  you provide a link to one of these sights? I would be interested in hearing more on this.
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Re: Extreme weather/earth tilt/ magnetic field change -- Update information
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2008, 04:19:15 PM »
Billy:

A visit to Google,  celestial navigation :

www.celestialnavigation.net/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_navigation

Navigators use "ephemeris tables" to tell where the stars are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephemeris

So does the astrology crowd, and they are going to be very excitable on the subject:

http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm

www.ephemeris.com/ephemeris.php

Heres something to do with NASA:

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi

Google "live aboard":

http://www.livingaboard.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_aboard

This bunch is a lot like the flood levy shanty crowd, independent and hard to track. Some are starting to use computers, but they are too independent to hang out at any particular web site. You have to hunt them down.

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Re: Extreme weather/earth tilt/ magnetic field change -- Update information
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2008, 05:17:25 PM »
Billy:

A visit to Google,  celestial navigation :

www.celestialnavigation.net/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_navigation

Navigators use "ephemeris tables" to tell where the stars are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephemeris

So does the astrology crowd, and they are going to be very excitable on the subject:

http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm

www.ephemeris.com/ephemeris.php

Heres something to do with NASA:

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi

Google "live aboard":

http://www.livingaboard.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_aboard

This bunch is a lot like the flood levy shanty crowd, independent and hard to track. Some are starting to use computers, but they are too independent to hang out at any particular web site. You have to hunt them down.

I'm a mariner, who made part of his living from the ocean as ship captain.  Admittedly on smaller scales than trans oceanic vessels, but I have made trips from Miami through the Panama Canal, and to Alaska, while Captain of my own boat.  I've made several trips from Seattle to Anchorage as Captain.  I too, have noticed Ursa Major being much higher in the sky of late, as compared to years ago from my home in Prince William Sound.  I attributed it to the surrounding trees vegetation that has gotten larger and reduced my visability.  As I've been interested in navigation on the water, I learned how with proficiency, to use a sextant.  I haven't attempted to see if any changes in the worlds tilt has made any changes in determining latitude.  I must do so and report my findings.  I do know for example, my marine charts have a correction for magnectic North which varies by several seconds a year and must be accounted for in navigation from the charts for the current year.  I also posted that Magnetic North was moving much faster than predicted, approximately 1 1/2 years ago on GBO in response to Global Warming post in Todays Important News topic.  There is still too much snow accumulation to do much right now, but I'll experiment a little and see just if any changes, I can determine this spring.
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Re: Extreme weather/earth tilt/ magnetic field change -- Update information
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2008, 09:42:31 AM »
Scientific!  I like it!  Don't forget to keep us posted!  There are a lot of people who would like more solid facts than i can prove.  Like the following for example, which is fact by the way.

    Last night while sitting with my wife and sipping a cupa on the south porch of my shop, I noticed that the sun, just before it slipped behind the western mountains, was casting shadows exactly straight east off the porch posts.  Thats a LOOONG way north for mid April, with us setting almost on the Canadian border!  Your report will be a lot better than me saying.  'Hoo boy, it looks like we are tipped more than last summer!'
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  When I started this post my intentions were to only to help bring all my compas using customers back out of the woods.  So I kept the message pretty low key.  Then after a few people wrote in, I had forgot where I got my information from.  I'm sorry about that.

Go to

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   and you'll read a very technical report.  I don't believe it has been changed at all since I first saw it, but believe the earth has tilted some more since this report was written.  I hope I'm wrong on that belief!
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Count me skeptical. For this additional 26 degrees of earth tilt to be accurate, the sun will be almost exactly overhead at noon on the US/Canadian border. It ain't going to happen.

Magnetic field change is another matter; it has been a common occurrence through the ages.

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  I wish you were right, but last summer the sun dropped it shadow almost straight down off the south eave of my shop.  We live 13 miles from the Canada border.  I intend to check it this summer at the summer solstace, or longest day of summer, using a long level.  I'm sure it was within a couple inches of straight down last summer but didn't measure.

  The outfit who's address I posted yesterday, says the sun stands straight over Denver at the high point.  I'm a sceptic there.

  It looks to me like the most important thing any of us can do is keep tab well enough to find our way out of the woods if we use a compass.  Where we hunt, there are two roads, with a few side branches, which split 650 square miles of mountain range, so it's pretty important knowing which way back to where your ride is!  Especially when you've had 67 birthdays!
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  I wish you were right, but last summer the sun dropped it shadow almost straight down off the south eave of my shop.  We live 13 miles from the Canada border.  I intend to check it this summer at the summer solstace, or longest day of summer, using a long level.  I'm sure it was within a couple inches of straight down last summer but didn't measure.

  The outfit who's address I posted yesterday, says the sun stands straight over Denver at the high point.  I'm a sceptic there.

  It looks to me like the most important thing any of us can do is keep tab well enough to find our way out of the woods if we use a compass.  Where we hunt, there are two roads, with a few side branches, which split 650 square miles of mountain range, so it's pretty important knowing which way back to where your ride is!  Especially when you've had 67 birthdays!

The Earth's tilt would have no bearing on magnetic North, unless gravitational attraction of the sun or moon caused the molten core of the Earth to shift.  Over the last decade, magnetic North has moved faster than predicted, but not fast enough for current topographical corrections on compass roses to be a serious margin of error in location.  However, any increase or the tilt in the Earth's radian plane or angular deviation from the revolutionary plane around the sun, would have substantial effects on some navigational instruments and possibly weather.  A sextant used from an artificial horizen, would still give one the same results if the North Pole was perpindicular to the revolutionary plane or if it was 90* off in determination of latitude on the Earth's surface.  If one used the North Star though, the measured results would be substantially different, which would result in plotting errors of location.   The constellations, as relatively fixed objects as sky mapped if used, all would create new challenges in the field of navigation and surveys due the angular change in deviation.  If the Earth did indeed, tilt more than previously with a larger angle to the revolutionary plane, then the true poles would have more direct sunlight, thus heat, during the summer months.  This more direct sunlight along with the longer daylight hours, may have more impact on our global warming than man.  Man's influence as indicated by some scientific methods, could actually be coincidental to the Earth's change in tilt.  No question in mind, this bears further investigation as compared to a known, fixed location using celestial surveying instruments and comparison of results.
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I've not put any study into this matter and quite frankly don't really intend to but yesterday I did notice one seeming anomaly. The sun seemed to set just about the proper place for it to be setting in mid to late summer not this time of year. I wasn't sitting on the porch when I noticed it so maybe it was a matter of perspective rather than reality. I was heading down to my pond to feed the fish when I noticed it so I'll try to remember to check it from my front porch where I'm more familiar with where the sun normally sets. I sure know that last year it was setting in some unusual places from the porch view.


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OK, everybody find Polaris.  First find the Big Dipper, then follow an imaginary line from the outside of the cup until you see a star brighter than any others in the vicinity.  That's Polaris.  Measure the angle between the  horizon and Polaris. That's your Latitude, unless the Earth's tilt actually has changed substantially.  Refer to a map of your location, determine the recorded latitude, and compare it with the angle you measured.  Report the results back to this forum.

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In response to Graybeard's comment that the sun seemed to be setting in the same place as in late summer:

That's normal. Sunrise and sunset occur in the same places when you are an equal number of days from the solstice. For instance, the sunrise/sunset will appear to be the same when you are 30 days before June 21 and 30 days after, 60 days before and 60 days after, etc.


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OK, everybody find Polaris.  First find the Big Dipper, then follow an imaginary line from the outside of the cup until you see a star brighter than any others in the vicinity.  That's Polaris.  Measure the angle between the  horizon and Polaris. That's your Latitude, unless the Earth's tilt actually has changed substantially.  Refer to a map of your location, determine the recorded latitude, and compare it with the angle you measured.  Report the results back to this forum.

I've been waiting on weather here in Alaska to do just that.  With the long day light hours now and cloud cover, it is almost impossible to see Polaris except on a very clear and relatively dark night.  I'm set up with sextant and ready to as soon as the weather clears.  If the Earth's tilt has changed, the sextant readings will indicate a different latitude than actually exists.  I've taken sextant readings using an atificial horizen and the sun recently.  These readings indicate latitude position very close to GPS indicated position.  But that will not indicate Earth's tilt necessarily.  Using Polaris will be a more accurate reading, if the Earth's tilt has changed substantially.
Greg lost his battle with cancer last week on April 2nd 2009. RIP Greg. We miss you.

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Being a Professional Surveyor, I deal with magnetic bearings/azimuths all the time. It continually changes. that is why surveyors have to use an ephemeris to determine the declination at any given point.

Magnetic pulls changes constantly, but if the earth were to tilt from it's present axis by just a few degrees, earth's climate would change so much that life would no longer exist for the majority of people.

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Hey, after posting above, I got to thinking what could be causing any tilt in the Earth's axis.

The problem may be that we've got too many Chinese. If you got rid of half, everything might just straighten back up. ;D

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  Regarding position, time of set isn't the only factor, it is the angle compared to what it used to be.  Here it used to set just a bit north of due west at summer solstace, but I checked it a few days ago with a compass and it ducks behind the mountains almost precisely at north east. 

  Regarding tip in degrees.  I marked where the shadow from the eaves hit my shop wall last december at winter solstace and just a few days ago checked that angle compared to the angle then.  It was a bit short of 49.5 degrees.  I noticed today that the shadow from the post I set to check at summer solstace this summer, has moved about 3 inches from the time I did the above measurement.  I'm not smart enough to know if my calculations are the same as in the chart I referred to earlier, but they appear to be, and if so, the tilt will be quite a bit more than 49.5 deg in about two weeks when the longest day rolls around.  I'll post again when I do that measure, and will give the new magnetic declination.

  I have known for years that magnetic declination changes constantly,  a little bit, but that doesn't account for the huge shift we've had in the last couple years.
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bring it on. Ive got a bunch of ammo loaded and would enjoy some anti Christ hunting. The deer hunting here has sucked for years!!
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  You've guessed at the correct target but won't be able to draw a bead on it.  I mentioned above, I believe that the HAARP project was installed for mind control and weather modification, for military purposes.  For the microwave energies to work they have to have chemical smog, which is sprayed out with jets, and are called chem-trails by those who pay attention and see them strung all over the sky for the last 7 or 8 years.  ---   I didn't mention it previously, but about 10 years ago I got hold of what looked like and was claimed to be a secret Congressional paper.  It was printed about 30 years ago now, and was titled Silent war with silent wepons, as I recall.  It walked off while I was in prison so I can only tell you what I remember about it.  It spelled out quite a few deadly things to be put into operation which would be for mind control, health and mental destruction.  It seemed like a bit of baloney made up by some computor hacker or something when I read it.  However because I was forwarned and knew enough to watch, I did, and have seen every one of them going into operation,  and their effect showing up. 

  Since the chem trails started, lung cancer doubled, and allergies took an even larger jump as have many other ailments.

   Strange fungus has broken out on all kinds of farm fruit, vegies, and I see it on many of the trees here in the north west which never showed health stress before.  Trees on my place which I estimate to be well over 300 years old dying suddenly.

  Almost all the birds died off for as far as we've traveled from our area.  Two years ago the first time.  There was some comeback, then last fall a real dieoff, which took every raven and almost all the turkeys and eagles.   We've traveled an area of only about 100 by 150 miles in this time.  The few turkeys that are left are extremely stupid.  I nearly ran one over a few days ago but managed to get the auto stopped before I hit it.  The horn scares all normal turkeys long before an auto gets close, and I've only seen maybe three hit by cars up here in the 18 years we've lived here.  This and most of the few others I've seen since last fall just stand with their heads erect as if in a daze when they are near the road.  Up till last fall it was common to see flocks of 30 to 100 feeding right up to the road edge, paying no attention to traffic, but ALWAYS knowing enough to stay out of the cars path.  Several people told us that all game up here tastes the same now, and the taste is blah, hardly fit to eat. 
  For ever, all road kills in the country have been left for raven eagle and other scavangers, and when you drove past a road kill, it would be covered with birds.  Sometimes 30 or 40 on and around one deer.  Now, deer after deer and not one bird.  Am I paranoid??? If I believe it is all planned and carefully orchestrated when after wittnessing all this, all of a sudden the road commission (I guess) gets a fancy truck with hoist and has been picking up all road kills!

 Did you ever see a wild baby duck or wild goose leave it's nest and wander across country?  I never did till this year, and we've seen one of each.  It is pathetic, as they go around squaking and don't have a clue where they are going. 
 

 Are the people mind controlled too?  We have talked to many and almost everyone says they see birds all the time.  Then when asked pointedly.  Remember carefully.  WHEN was the last time you saw one?  A brain dead stare, and the answer.  I can't remember!

   After five years in prison because the government wants to shut my business down and silence my knowledge, I have a right to one the title paranoid.    Maybe you don't know but people in prison are able to bring in an incredible assortment of books and I read hundreds of them, so putting me in prison to stop my knowledge (about cast bullets) didn't make me more ignorant!!!

  (This thing scrambled when I was interupted and I don't have time to fix it right now.  Will try to do it in the next couple days.)
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Re: Extreme weather/earth tilt/ magnetic field change -- Update information
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2008, 03:50:15 PM »
Yesterday was the autumnal equinox, whereby the sun is directly above the equator.  I took readings with a builders transit of the angle of the sun at 10 minutes before noon, AST, not day light saving time.  The angle of the sun was at 29.4*.  90-29.4=60.6*   My residence is at Falls Bay, Alaska by GPS location, reads 60.53*.  The error is usually caused by imprecise interpolation of dial readings on a scale.  This error amounts to a difference in readings of .07*.  An error of minimum difference and clearly not suggestive of any Earth's abrupt 26* change in tilt.  Last night at midnight, I took readings from polaris using a mechanics square with rotating bezel from a horizontal plane, the reading of 60* was the best I could determine from the angle. This is inline with yesterdays noon reading of the sun's angle directly above the equator.  Both readings are in the 60* latitude for my home.  Had a change of any measurable quantity happened with the Earth's tilt, then either reading would have been way off from my measurements of solar and polaris sightings.  Definitely not one of 26* change in the Earth's tilt. 
Greg lost his battle with cancer last week on April 2nd 2009. RIP Greg. We miss you.

Greg
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