Tell me about coyote trapping.

[El Hefe]

I've shot 'em and trapped one but my intentional sets are producing nothing  . There are MANY here and I want to take the population way down. Tips? A full primer? Any help/advice/instruction appreciated.

[Bogmaster]

 What sets,traps, baits and lures are you using now?
 Also,what part of the country are you in?
 Tom

[coyotero]

Are you trapping coyotes now?If you answer Boggies questions maybe we can help you.

[Maze]

I'm sure these guys are full of info and can help you.

If you really want to learn I would recommend getting some books/videos on the subject. They can tell you almost every thing you need to know from trap modification, preparation, lure application, trap distance and sets. This year my goal is to catch foxes/coyotes with foot holds, so I'm starting where you are. Books and videos is where I'm starting from, you can always look back on those if you forget something. The question you asked is pretty vague. Just my $.02, Good luck!

[charto]

I kinda think if you really want there populations low leave em alone,nature will devastate them and it will take years for them to recover..its pretty harsh i know but its my honest thought.Trapping and hunting them only makes the population healthy. theres been government trappers in certain states for years and theres still tons of coyote's in those states. And in fact those coyotes have
spread out across the USA, placing coyotes where coyotes never were.Natives  had a saying that when the last white man died there
would be a yote there to urinate on his grave.

But its better to trap them, more fun, far more humane and it connects us with the outdoors and our heritage, and ensures healthy populations for years to come.

[fishdaddy]

i used to think they were hard to catch then i caught one they seem to come easy after that just hard to skin.

[trappnman]

My coyote mentor Wiley E once said " if someone tells you they never have troubles with coyotes, they are either lying or haven't caught many coyotes"

And I find that to be true. Some days you think you are the best coyote trapper in the world- there isn't a coyote I can't catch...then...

But coyotes do get easier in time.

Don't expect immediate success overnight. I strongly suggest a good coyote book before you start out. Books seem to "stick" better....

Two good ones that helped me when starting are "Tom Mirandas Competition Coyote trapping- a goods intro to coyotes and a real good walkthrough set.

another is a book you don't hear too much about- Bud Bodas TRoubleshooting book- he gets a little too anal for me- but good tips on how to  solve problems.

My advice- forget all the super cautious precautions- and pay attention to your visuals at the set.  Blending is a key- don't have that pattern stick out- use duff, dry dirt, etc to make an extended pattern.

Use multiple attractions- bait and lure, urine....two lures, etc- the more things to hold his attention, the longer he is there.

look for flow lines- natural walking lanes- crop changes, field roads, sharp corners.

Be pataint- if you don't succeed- leave the set alone- resist the urge to walk up to it and mess with it every day or two.

but to start- buy a book- Miliigans book isn't bad either.

[charto]

Not to rain on any parades, I read every book i can and watch every video i can.....but alot of em are Bovine scatology in the works, either copied generalized knowledge or made up maybe...one so called pro had a video with a segment on truck organization.....this goes here etc... thing was
he was general trapping, rats coon skunk fox coyote etc....and he had the smallest box in the truck for his catch looked like a yote a fox and a cple rats would fill it....another pro's yote book shows a dead yote in a trap...look at the neck....snare mark......and so on.

Thing is read em, think about what you read,try it see what you think...but the best education is seeing things for yourself,like i don't know how many books ive read say put the trap x distance from the scent post ....then in the snow you see its like half that on big eastern yotes.. or whatever...Ive read books that tell you for canine to soak everything in urine...traps gloves everything now maybe that works, i was younger tried it didn't work did cause some problems tho with flipped and dug up traps

maybe I'm missing the small things but mostly the books all seem close to the same info, there's some that break that mold ...but then there copied...so seems to me it doesn't matter that much. Many writers will tell you how you need this and that and the other 20 things(mostly they sell these things directly or indirectly)well i can tell you they don't walk far off the beaten path carrying all that crap not much anyways.

See I think some one unheard of, with real knowledge could write a book with useful truthful info in it...and it wouldn't sell well. First they need a publicity campaign to tell you how good they are....fictional or non fictional.

Your education starts now get out and learn! and another thing have fun doing it, I know the writers say nope cant take the time to smell the roses...more bovine scatology if there so busy how come they have time to go to all these conventions,write all these books make and bottle all that lure write all the zine articles and what not.....oh wow popped a brain blood vessel gotta go to the hospital now cya's sorry for the rant

[trappnman]

I'd have to strongly disagree with that.

there are many books out there that are both original, and detailed in depth.

but why try to run before you can walk? Thus the recommendations on books. And trust me- not much of what you read in Boda's book, is in other books.

I was self taught on coyotes- BUT- when I read my first book, It put it all together.

if not a book- then take instructions.

I'm glad that now that I am starting snaring, I don't have to reinvent the wheel- I wish I had that same advantage in starting after yotes.

Any good basic book, will more than help a beginner coyote trapper.

and where have you ever read- except in advice on longlining- that speed is of the essence?

and as far as carrying "crap"- name me one coyote trapper that takes more than a few coyotes- that walks to their line.

how do they have time? maybe thats their OTHER job.

and btw- misting traps heavily with urine- DOESN'T cause digging. Ever set a remake? the whole set including the trap, often reeks of urine. and in the case of rusty or speed dipped traps- spraying the entire set with urine- WILL give you less digging and screwing around, not more.

[Bogmaster]

 I just spent a half hour typing out a reply,and somehow it vanished--that may be for the best.
 I write,I make lures(beaver),I do conventions and I do demo's at most conventions--but first and foremost I am a TRAPPER.
 Yes I do get paid to write,but if you have read any of my articles in the Trapper and Predator Caller--I write about things I have actually done.I also write mainly about trapping beaver and muskrats(animals I have taken thousands of).There is no B.S> in what I write,it is factual, and hopefully educational.I do not get paid for the demo's I am asked to do--and do not use it as a format to pimp my products--here again educating other people is the goal.
 I have been in the process of writing a beaver book(been doing so for several years)why isn't it in print? For the same reason my new catalog isn't done--I am but one person, and have only so much time.
 Writing, lure making, filling orders and doing conventions are a part of what I do.Conventions are the hardest thing there is to do--loading and unloading a ton or two of supplies,setting up--taking down and driving endless hours are hard on a person--I do these by myself ,and would argue till my death with anyone that thinks this is easy or a ral money maker.
 I spend 365 days a year working at this business, and I refuse to be lumped in with any quick buck artist---I am A TRAPPER first and foremost--and B>S> has no place in the things I do.
 Tom

[charto]

ok back from the hospital, so you two are saying that your professional trappers? that you make your living from trapping?not selling stuff or making lures or writing? that there is no bs in trapping? that xp isnt as good a teacher as a book? youre saying that one trapping book isnt almost the same as the next? that no authors were copied?

now lets set the record straight i said SOME were BS not ALL.


Sniff sniff I love the smell of ban in the morning, if you only trap the places you can drive to great, thats leaves alot of areas out but great,
so what about the 12yr old kid that reads this huh? I try to drive everywhere cuz im lazy, but i also like to trap ands do respect others property..like when i get there and theres mud so driving is great in theory but its part time or dont trap there

kinda makes you wonder how a few hundred hayseeds with a couple traps each almost endangered half of what we trap now in the 1700's when thwey knew nothing about the animals as they came from somewhere else.

You stand by what you think, I will stand behind what i think.....

another thing is you two seem to think i was talking about you i n particular, hmm whats up with that? feeling guilty? insecure what?
ok one trapper who carries stuff Tom Sauvage linton nd.

ok the urine thing go ahead do it.....but the next writer says everything must be clean perfectly clean and btw what books arent like others that are so detailed?

[NONYA]

Bogmaster,I would be interested in what you have to share about trappin yotes and mink,cant ever know enough about those 2.

[Bogmaster]

 My luck on posting replies has been running short.2 long ones have timed out and been lost.
So Chacto --what do I have to feel insecure or guilty about? Because I defend writing,lure making,selling supplies???tell me please.
 I learned to trap from a couple different sources--experience and the mistakes I made and by reading.Very little information was shared ,and there were no computers.
 Also to set a few things straight--no animals we trap today are lacking in numbers because of what was done in the 1700's.
 The beaver were nearly wiped out in the years between 1820 and 1840 but many states now have larger beaver numbers than they did at that time. And the mountain man, were hardly hay seeds.
 Going to send this now before I lose it.
 Tom

[Bogmaster]

 Nonya, I tend to avoid land trapping. I have had a fascination with the water, since I was 2.I don't even like hunting ducks and geese over dry land---give me water and decoys any time.
 Because of avoiding land trapping, I have only done coyotes when paid---very well.There are several others on here that can provide a bit more on yotes than I can.
 I do enjoy taking mink.I am not much of a blind setter,preferring pocket sets--baited and lured.I used to go smelting each  our spring to get some of the best mink and coon bait around.Unfortunately we have few smelt now days.Once I start taking Muskrats, I use them for my mink bait. I tend to gang set for mink,as well as most water animals.Its funny how quickly coon can plug up 3 or 4 of your beat mink sets.
 Tom

[NONYA]

Thanx Tom,i have caught mink in rat trap sets but never targeted them,may try it this winter.

[charto]

Ok Tom i dont know what you feel insecure or guilty about i asked you? all i said basically was go out and get some experience
and take what others say with a grain of salt more or less I also said SOME writers did certain things...if you want ill say names and
page numbers etc.... then you and trapperman seemed to feel threatened, implying i "lumped you in" hmm so you tell me?

Tom

[charto]

btw You look up my name you see i have a furbuyers license in ND you look Further you see i had one till i moved in Michigan
I also sell supplys and if you want to look up things See whos name has the record for rats at shiawasse game refuge for the river
think it was 85 and take alook at the numbers and then realize it was just one place i trapped that year. Or we can talk other ways.

The guy wanted some advice on trapping some yotes i said go out and try and i said Some books were copied. Ask Mr. O gorman how he feels about that...you can read it in his catolog. I aslo said SOME writers try to sell you a bunch of gear you dont need...if you need proof of anything i have said just ask.

Funny thing is you always say you dont watch vids and read books cuz you cant afford to and both of you said you learned from experience

[charto]

Again the operative was SOME

[Bogmaster]

 If you read your last paragraph in your first post, you will see why you got my reaction.Here you did not say some writers,some lure makers--you generalized ,more or less lumping those that wrote ,made lure and attended conventions into the same category.
 That would be about the same as me lumping all fur buyers into the same  category--the good the bad and the ugly.You have your good and bad in any occupation.
 And as far as guilt and insecurity goes--I feel none here.
 I don't mind someone disagreeing with me, trappers agree on very little.I also do not have someone banned for just disagreeing.So your ban in the morning can be used as a deodorant.
 I will agree that Some is the key in most of what we are talking about.
 Tom

[charto]

Your Right i just looked my apologies i did mean some ...and my point was only that Some writers say you cant take time to look at this or that
that if you want to trap you need to be on the go go go,,, only some of the writers saying this arnt


Again my apologizes  Some times yes Some its easy to misunderstand on forums whatever...and im guilty


Tom

[charto]

Well the ban thing lol you weren't the only one who took some offense and i drew some heat on another forum for saying

IF yote gland lure smells like yotes do human males smell like ground up rotted testicles?

[trappnman]

yes , i sell supplies. Yes, I am a professional trapper- that is, for 5+ months a year my primary source of income is fur. And for another 5-6 months, my primary income is trapping ADC for farmers. No fur trapper anywhere, made a fulltime living trapping fur- except for the anomoly we called the fur boom.

I have traps in the ground almost 365- if I didn't take the time to smell the roses, I'd quit.


You are not gong to trap any numbers of coyotes by walking- that's a fact unless you leave by a dead cow dump in texas.

My only disagreement, was on new coyote trappers You take any 12 year old, give him 4 traps and say- go catch some coyotes- tell me- how many will stick with it enough to catch ANY?

Yet- but going to conventions, by reading book-s he will get a good basic start in the sport.

and btw- I only sell what I personally use- so I can speak with honesty on its usefullness.

I've been fortunate, to have been able to help out quite a few new coyote trappers at conventions- take the time to diagram a few sets, give them a few "secrets" that will shorten their learning curve- THEN they can go out and learn and at least have some idea, of what they are doing and what to expect.

I agree with learning on your own- too many want instant success. But why let new trappers stumble and bumble on yotes, pulling stakes, breaking wire, etc- when a little knowledge, precludes that.....trappnman

[charto]

My only disagreement, was on new coyote trappers You take any 12 year old, give him 4 traps and say- go catch some coyotes- tell me- how many will stick with it enough to catch ANY?

hmm first that didn't seem to be your only disagreement

ok brass tacks I said learn from xp i said read books but take it with a grain of salt, I said SOME writers....

you say reading books will make him stay a trapper? huh ? then how come there aren't many kids trapping now and almost no teens? the old school kids are still trapping. yup here we are in the info age and hardly any Trappers.

you apparently are saying you never carry gear and don't walk and they need alot of gear....you only drive, drive over the set reach down out the window?

I seem to have struck some chords here

ok ill back anything ive said

you can find out from the irs that there are people who claim there whole income is from fur trapping..its public info there's quite the breakdown you can also see that professional trappers are one of the lowest income groups...even lower then cowboys.

the word Professional according to Webster can mean" some one who has derived gain" so any one who ever caught any critter can say there a professional trapper....it just says gain, not monetary.  And i happen to know people that made some sort of living trapping you can call me and the IRS  a liar all you want.

I say books were copied, never said word for word , Suggest you call and talk with Craig O'Gorman if you don't believe it, Or maybe the Leggitts even because ive seen there step down in other books.

I sell supplies, i dont know where your going with that as i said SOME people

Seems i am catching alot of flack for saying you don't need everything SOME would tell you you NEED that you will walk you will Carry things.That Some Trapping no no lets include em all SOME outdoors writers  ie fishing trapping hunting camping writers are pure bunk

now You say  there's plenty of original detailed books out there ok  be careful now Name some and by Original  i Assume were talking not seen before stuff and Detailed i take to mean alot of info not just some new dirthole set book.

Then again i never said don't read a book i said

Thing is read em, think about what you read,try it see what you think...but the best education is seeing things for yourself

now how does that statement draw this much fervor?

[charto]

btw you must live in a rich neighborhood if you think a 12 yr old can afford personal instruction and one more thing i am heariing alot about no bs

ok 365 days eh? no days off come on

[trappnman]

Do you understand that "almost" is a qualifier?

as far as original  books- Slims books, Hoofbeats, Carmen's snow trapping- to name but a few.

YOU are the one that brought up all the tangents- my DISAGREEMENT with you- was your post saying that:

Not to rain on any parades, I read every book i can and watch every video i can.....but alot of em are Bovine scatology in the works, either copied generalized knowledge or made up maybe...one so called pro had a video with a segment on truck organization.....this goes here etc... thing was
he was general trapping, rats coon skunk fox coyote etc....and he had the smallest box in the truck for his catch looked like a yote a fox and a cple rats would fill it....another pro's yote book shows a dead yote in a trap...look at the neck....snare mark......and so on.

Thing is read em, think about what you read,try it see what you think...but the best education is seeing things for yourself,like i don't know how many books ive read say put the trap x distance from the scent post ....then in the snow you see its like half that on big eastern yotes.. or whatever...Ive read books that tell you for canine to soak everything in urine...traps gloves everything now maybe that works, i was younger tried it didn't work did cause some problems tho with flipped and dug up traps

maybe I'm missing the small things but mostly the books all seem close to the same info, there's some that break that mold ...but then there copied...so seems to me it doesn't matter that much. Many writers will tell you how you need this and that and the other 20 things(mostly they sell these things directly or indirectly)well i can tell you they don't walk far off the beaten path carrying all that crap not much anyways.

See I think some one unheard of, with real knowledge could write a book with useful truthful info in it...and it wouldn't sell well. First they need a publicity campaign to tell you how good they are....fictional or non fictional.

Your education starts now get out and learn! and another thing have fun doing it, I know the writers say nope cant take the time to smell the roses...more bovine scatology if there so busy how come they have time to go to all these conventions,write all these books make and bottle all that lure write all the zine articles and what not.....oh wow popped a brain blood vessel gotta go to the hospital now cya's sorry for the rant

Where you downplay knowledge for beginners from books.

heres another tangent: then how come there aren't many kids trapping now and almost no teens

hunting , fishing- ALL the  outdoor sports are declining rapidly- WHY? because of many things, primarily being our shift from rural to urban living. And trapping is a hard sport, because of the TIME needed to trap. Your conclusion, and it's the  only logical conclusion based on your post- is that BOOKS are the cause? LOL

you apparently are saying you never carry gear and don't walk and they need alot of gear....you only drive, drive over the set reach down out the window?

it would be a better debate, if you actually trapped yotes in any numbers. Do you? Because from your posts, it doesn't seem likely. 

Thing is read em, think about what you read,try it see what you think...but the best education is seeing things for yourself

now how does that statement draw this much fervor?




too bad you didn't make that statement without all your other little comments- but you didn't, did you? THATS why the fervor about your post.

and if you think that trapping a coyote makes one a professional, because he "gained"- then you  do.
Hey- I found a baseball this morning, so I gained in baseball. Am I a professional?

I fill out a Sch C each year- where is the catagory for "fur trapping" only?

It's TRAPPING- whether ADC, or fur. and since my business is trapping AND supplies- both are included, as is aboput EVERY true professional trapper I know.

[trappnman]

and this: if there so busy how come they have time to go to all these conventions,write all these books make and bottle all that lure write all the zine articles and what not.

you do understand that fur isn't trappable for FUR more months than not?

and you DO understand, that conventions are in the off season- and you DO understand, that making lures, supplies is a part of the business?

[charto]

Well its pretty obvious your looking for a fight, here i am come bring it.....

its also obvious your one of the ones im talking about. As far as ogormans slims and carmans snow ok  these are ones i will say werwe later copied and btw 3 is far from most(writers)

what kind of numbers do i need? huh?, and where did i say books were causing the drop out?

I really could care you disagree

obviously you know erverything and your always right

Yeah i made the statements so what...............thats what forums are, i recommended he do it you want him to spend money first
you admitted you learned from xp


This is my last post on this now i made some statements that i believe you put a twist on it then attack me  I apologized then you attack again with far more twist you say you never walk, you say 365 days a year and i dont know BS.

only one way to settle this then you know where i live bring it


Tom

[Bogmaster]

 Time to put this whole thing to bed.No more bickering,lets get back to what this post originated with--questions on coyotes. I can lock this and start again, but lets just refrain from any more squabbles.We have better things to do, than fight amongst ourselves.So lets get on to more interesting things.
 Tom

[fishdaddy]

well i catch a few coyotes every year the first i caught was bout 4 years ago.i dont target them.as to me there not worth skinning.i catch them in fox and coon sets tho. ive read one book thats the NTA trappers hand book.never watched a video but i just ordered one of matt jones videos cat and coyote.the thing that taught me the the most about trapping canines was snow.ive been trying for a bobcat 3 years havent got one yet.but i hope this is the year.

[Double D]

Gentlemen, Three strikes and your out...this is your fourth by my count.

Ya wanna talk trapping or have a pissing contest.  Stop demeaning each other and talk trapping.  If you comments are directed at a person to demean or personally discredit someone then you are flaming.  Flaming is not allowed on this board ever.  Post facts to counter a point but no personal attacks.

I have deleted your last two post as going even beyond flaming. You both are way out of line.

I'll let Graybeard and Bogmaster decide if stronger action needs taken