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Offline ironglow

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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #120 on: September 12, 2007, 12:20:24 AM »
   ANY third party spoiler that comes along..there was Anderson, Perot, Nader and others...surely there is an egoist waiting in the wings somewhere.
   Can't win, only skew the vote !
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #121 on: September 12, 2007, 08:06:06 AM »
Quote from: TM7 on September 12, 2007, 02:15:15 AM
Quote from: ironglow on September 12, 2007, 12:20:24 AM
   ANY third party spoiler that comes along..there was Anderson, Perot, Nader and others...surely there is an egoist waiting in the wings somewhere.
   Can't win, only skew the vote !

Right, we should just continue to vote for the status quo candidate, and let everything get spoiled.

...TM7

WAKE UP now as it stands you have TWO CHOICES Republican or demoncrat. any other thrird party vote is a spoiler vote as any third party candidate just does not have the clout to beat the top two parties and yes that includes libertarians they do not have the power or the clout to get the job done. Until some 3rd party does all they do is help tip the election to one party or the other. The only reason Jessie won in MN was because of a very heavy vote unusually so and more college kids then normal  and he got a unpressidented amout of college kids voteing  to vote him into office because he was a ex  pro wrestler and a celeb. Oh I am sure he had some votes from others too but the College kids put him in offce. They also have not voted that heavy since then. Being a Navy Seal probably did not hurt either. Because the vote was spit pretty evenly between the three he got in with the most votes. Any one besides him running would not have done that. SO unless the third party could get a candidate that darn near every one in America respected and loved I can not see it happening.
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #122 on: September 12, 2007, 11:01:37 AM »
 

  No TM...If you don't like the "status quo"..you and your many friends get involved in one of the major parties and change it from the inside.
 
   Here's your chance to oust the "Neocons" (whoever they are).. or conversely, the "looney left"..and we ALL know who they are...
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #123 on: September 12, 2007, 11:13:58 AM »
Voting for the lesser of 2 evils, sorry, works for me. The greater of 2 evils, is still greater. I certainly wish GB had a better policy on spending and border security, but compared to Gore or Kerry, sorry, I'll pick Bush. Is he perfect, hell no, but better than a few. Next election, haven't decided yet, but will probably still pick the lesser of 2 evils. Easier to work with somebody that agree's with what I believe in on 60% or 70% of the issue's, than somebody I only agree with on 10% of the time.  gypsyman
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #124 on: September 12, 2007, 11:22:59 AM »
Bush isn't perfect but face it if any dem especially gore and Kerry we would all be dead. they would have pulled out. they will pass stupid laws on global warming. they will ban hunting and guns. its not what we need. ill be voting republican or Conservative, probably mike huckbee or fred thompson
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #125 on: September 12, 2007, 12:17:11 PM »
Fred Thompson will get my vote.
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #126 on: September 12, 2007, 03:32:35 PM »
you can vote republican,but you can`t vote conservative! republicans are the big spenders,or i should say the big chargers!  its a fact that while the republicans were  in charge the pork was in every bill! for eight years!!! never a veto!  there are no conservatives running!!!!
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« Reply #127 on: September 12, 2007, 04:07:14 PM »
Fred is and he gets my vote from what I see Huckabee is like Ron Paul as far as he does not get the media attention he needs to get up higher in the pack. So far the Top 4 are Giuliani, Thompson and McCain and Romney  with Fred now that he has declared moving up on Giuliani. That pretty much leaves the rest in the back of the pack. 
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #128 on: September 12, 2007, 04:37:43 PM »
gulinay is basically a dem ecept on a few things. out of the top 5 thompson is the only that will get my vote
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #129 on: September 12, 2007, 06:28:52 PM »
Quote from: 30.06man on September 12, 2007, 04:37:43 PM
gulinay is basically a dem ecept on a few things. out of the top 5 thompson is the only that will get my vote

I agree on that.
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #130 on: September 13, 2007, 12:45:48 AM »
   

  Voting for the lesser of two evils does work...if we vote for a third party "loser", very often we let the GREATER of two evils in ..by default !

  So, as a defensive measure, sometimes we must "hold our nose and vote".

 
     jdt48653..opines that there are no conservatives running; let's be realistic...probably NONE of us can point to any national leader who fills our criteria to the "nth" degree !

   Therefore; we ALWAYS have to accept some sort of compromise when we vote.. 


    
   
Think about it;....Is Fred Thompson or Mike Huckabee MORE or LESS conservative than Hillary Clinton or Barak Osama/Obama ?

    Do you get an indication as to which is more conservative ?   ...Better make a choice, you will probably NEVER get the 100% PERFECT candidate, any more than any of the rest of we 300 million Americans !

    If you refuse to vote for one of those who will protect America and the 2nd ammendment..you may be shooing Hillary or Barak Hussein Obama into the oval office !

    'Corse..if Hillary gets in, that may give old Bubba another shot at interns in the oval office !...LOL



      " The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing!"           Edmund Burke
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« Reply #131 on: September 13, 2007, 03:51:50 AM »
So TM7, who is the perfect candidate?  And don't say Ron Paul, because perfect, he is not.
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #132 on: September 13, 2007, 09:25:00 AM »
   

  Neat job at avoiding a straight answer TM !...LOL
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« Reply #133 on: September 13, 2007, 10:38:50 AM »
wow. the perfect candidate would be a regular guy! not some rich war lovin, anti gun, peace, global warming idtiot like the people that are running(correction). also not a illegal lovin one either!
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #134 on: September 13, 2007, 11:18:50 AM »
I think President Bush is about as close to a regular guy as we'll ever have.  Most folks just don't understand the issues.  That's why the don't understand him.  Since he's a gun owner, collector, and hunter I can't really understand why anyone would call the President anti-gun.
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #135 on: September 13, 2007, 11:55:50 AM »
no you missunderstood. i wasn't calling him anti gun. what i ment to say was like the canadates running on the dem side.. i know hes not. i messed up on what i orginaly said
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #136 on: September 13, 2007, 11:58:24 AM »
  I am not a Republican...and I am not duty bound to vote Republican !

  If the Democrats would bring forth a slate of candidates that are more conservative, pro gun, pro life, pro traditional values, pro business, pro Christian,  pro military and PRO AMERICAN than the Republicans offer, I would probably vote for the Democrats !

   With those criteria in mind...just what do you suppose, are the chances for me to get a shot at voting for Democrats ?


    As I see it, somebody has run their party train off the rails labeled "common sense"..and I don't believe it is my party OR the Republicans .
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« Reply #137 on: September 13, 2007, 12:03:29 PM »
1 in infinity. the closest would be Hillary Clinton. and that's not good enough
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« Reply #138 on: September 13, 2007, 12:10:37 PM »
Hillary isn't conservative, pro gun, pro life, pro traditional values, pro business, pro Christian,  pro military or PRO AMERICAN.  How can she be closest?
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« Reply #139 on: September 13, 2007, 12:29:37 PM »
the others like gore and edwards and obama can't hold a steady word. at least shes saying the same stuff. after all she has to be at least a little pro american she voted for the war while others didn't. shes not conservitive. since you questioned it who do you think is the best dem? she would be the most quailified out of all dems but shes far from good. i wouldn't vote for her in a million years
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #140 on: September 13, 2007, 01:34:09 PM »
There is no best democrat or even a good democrat.  I'd rather vote for satan himself.
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« Reply #141 on: September 13, 2007, 02:01:05 PM »
i would rather not vote if no one good was  running
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« Reply #142 on: September 13, 2007, 02:19:22 PM »
...Best Democrat by far is...Joe Lieberman of Connecticuit..

  Oops ! He's not a Democrat any more, is he !

    When the moveon.org type loonies took over the Democrat party they ran him off !
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« Reply #143 on: September 13, 2007, 02:22:13 PM »
i was about to say. that would have been who i said if in fact he was a dem. if all fails i would vote for him over any dem
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #144 on: September 13, 2007, 02:23:17 PM »
Quote from: 30.06man on September 13, 2007, 02:01:05 PM
i would rather not vote if no one good was  running

I like this idea.
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« Reply #145 on: September 13, 2007, 02:27:38 PM »
Ironglow the Demoncrats forced me to become Republican. Back when I was younger I was of no party I voted for who ever I felt was the right person for the job. After getting older and wiser and seeing what the Demoncrats have become I had to switch to the Republican Party to protect my gun rights and other issues like pro life ect. I would bet there in the last 20 years a lot of folks like me who switched to Republican just because of the liberal ways of the Demoncrats.
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« Reply #146 on: September 13, 2007, 02:34:09 PM »
the dems have become a pain. they are a thret to themselfs. they are idiotic and think that they are over the average American. i remember last year john edwards decided to be a average american and he took his wife on his anniversary to a fast food place. everyone looked at him and was like we do better than that. they think in that state of mind that Americans all are poor and can't afford anything
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« Reply #147 on: September 13, 2007, 02:35:11 PM »
The last good Democrat I heard of is Senator Zell  Miller who stood up against his party and supported the Republicans a few years ago.
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« Reply #148 on: September 13, 2007, 02:37:59 PM »
and he was still in the dem party?? seems the would have kicked him out
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« Reply #149 on: September 13, 2007, 02:55:17 PM »
  TM7...

   The first time I voted in a Presidential election (had to be 21 then)..I voted for JFK..and I was a Democrat..

  Like many, I "inherited" my party from my folks...LOL I did have and still do have much respect for Harry S. Truman.
  
   In 1964, I was in the Army in Germany and my unit did not adequately provide for voting opportunities..

  By the time 1968 rolled around and I found that the media was concealing the facts about Kennedy's "Camelot" (more appropriately "trampalot") and LBJ was a vast disappointment.

   As with Ronald Reagan, I didn't leave the party..the party left me...and I mean LEFT...left....left....left and left..in left field !

   Became an independant and in protest, I voted for G. Wallace knowing he couldn't win..and he didn't disappoint me..

   When 1972 dawned and the Democrats nominated McGovern..I knew by then , they surely had lost their marbles..

  Realizing I couldn't vote in the primaries (here in NY)as an Independent..I went Republican..

   Later (about 1990), distaining the primaries and trying to maintain a non-party driven thought process, I switched to Conservative..where I am today !

   I am comfortable voting for the candidate, from local to Federal...that is most conservative, most pro gun, constitutional, has traditional values, is most patriotic and has the most common sense and anti Commie.. etc....in my criteria, a few extra points would go to a genuine born-again Christian..

  That way, whether a candidate is Democrat or Republican really doesn't amount to spit... to me !

  ...However, upon seeing my criteria, you can probably guess how I vote most often.
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