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Offline Fazak

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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2007, 09:32:33 AM »
As I documented in an above post, Ron Paul leads in campaign contributions from all 4 branches of the military,.. including the Marine corps.

So there's obviously very significant support for Ron Paul's platform from the Marines.

The incompetence of the Bush administration's execution of the war has placed heavy strain on the military,.. both in terms of personnel and equipment.

I'd say that a soldier's support for Ron Paul is in direct proportion to the number of deployments that they've been subjected to,... some are now on their fourth deployment as a result of Bush's stop loss decrees.
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2007, 09:35:48 AM »
Ironglow,.. you mentioned that your grandson is on his second deployment.

Is his second deployment the result of being stop lossed?
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2007, 11:12:51 AM »
well i guess faztec likes danger. i have not talked to anyone that was in iraq thats fighting for us that wants to cut and run. most of them are ready to go back after they have a break.
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2007, 11:34:34 AM »
Quote from: 30.06man on September 05, 2007, 11:12:51 AM
well i guess faztec likes danger. i have not talked to anyone that was in iraq thats fighting for us that wants to cut and run. most of them are ready to go back after they have a break.

You don't believe that.

If it were true,.. there would have been no reason for the Bush administration to force them to stay by using stop loss measures.
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2007, 11:39:56 AM »
See?

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0131/dailyUpdate.html

Stop-loss used to retain 50,000 US troops

"Stop-loss," a policy used by the Army to keep US soldiers and reservists in the military beyond the date when their service was supposed to end, has been used on more than 50,000 members of the armed forces since the war in Iraq began.
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« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2007, 11:53:35 AM »
well 50,000 ain't all of them. if we cut and ran it would be vietnam over. and all the troops that fought will be ashamed to say they fought in that war.
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2007, 11:59:01 AM »
Quote from: 30.06man on September 05, 2007, 11:53:35 AM
well 50,000 ain't all of them. if we cut and ran it would be vietnam over. and all the troops that fought will be ashamed to say they fought in that war.

The fact that 50,000 of them have had to be stop lossed to keep them in Iraq and the fact that Ron Paul leads all candidates in campaign donations from the military tells me that your opinion isn't the same as the soldiers.
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2007, 12:09:28 PM »
well its people who want to pull out of iraq that is going to get more killed and more americans killed in iraq and here.
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« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2007, 12:20:26 PM »
As for what the Iraqis do to each other,.. that's their problem.

But America would be more secure if the administration had gone after those who attacked us on 9/11 instead of squandering our military resources in Iraq,.... while at the same time inciting Iraqi peasants into becoming Islamic militants.

That mess over there should have never occurred,.. and the longer it continues, the worse off everyone will be,... soldiers and citizens alike,...
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« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2007, 01:08:35 PM »
we entered Iraq because they were funding the AL queda who attacked us. now we are working on their government and tring to get bin laden. its not easy the Teriann over there is worse than the rocky mountains and that's where he is hiding. today for example since our troops were there they foiled another terrorist attack
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #40 on: September 05, 2007, 01:28:52 PM »
Quote from: 30.06man on September 05, 2007, 01:08:35 PM
we entered Iraq because they were funding the AL queda who attacked us.

no,...that was one of the lies that they used to manipulate the people with.
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« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2007, 01:39:38 PM »
hmm i don't belive it was a lie. i am glad the mans gone. its a good thing. and yes he was he admitted it!!
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« Reply #42 on: September 05, 2007, 02:25:55 PM »
google it. i don't but thats what they said on fox news today
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« Reply #43 on: September 05, 2007, 02:44:34 PM »
Fox news?

,.. first thing you need to do is throw a brick through ya TV,...

It's nothing but a propaganda box,...
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« Reply #44 on: September 05, 2007, 02:48:26 PM »
well i heard it on cnn a while back also
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #45 on: September 05, 2007, 03:39:12 PM »
  Fazak;

   "Stop-loss"..the military men I know haven't used that term...sounds like something made up by the folks afflicted with "give-up-itis"..

   You condemn Fox News as "propaganda"...  Whether you want to accept it or not, Fox is really quite "fair and balanced".

   The only ones I have ever heard accuse Fox of anything other are the leftists..not run-of-the-mill leftists, but card carrying "looney left"..

   I see you quote Christian Science Monitor..as I see it, they are far from "fair and balanced"..and rather favored by the left..

   My grandson is not on some kind of "stop-loss" program and will be finishing his second tour on schedule as anticipated.

             Still; he has decided to stay with the Corps and his re-enlistment will take place after his return home in the near future (won't give any troop movement timetable because giving the enemy any timetables is like handing them extra rifles & explosives).

    I know the "surrender Suzies" will never understand the "warrior's heart", it is not in their nature to do so !

   Surely they can never fathom how another grandson (a brother) will soon be entering the Army...

    In this age when public schools are doing their utmost to "feminize" the males of the student body..some will fall for the feminization..some will not do so !

         

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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #46 on: September 05, 2007, 03:57:30 PM »
as soon as bush gets out of the way the problem can be fixed,not until!
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2007, 04:09:25 PM »
IRONGLOW, 3006 MAN. Agreed Sirs. The soldiers we talk to support the war too. Evidently the dumcraps and the Godless ones have friends here. fazak and tm7 will get along splendidly. I think a lot of their info comes from the dnc. They hate President Bush so much they will say or do anything to lose the war , anything to make him look bad. sad, real sad. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2007, 04:17:14 PM »
Looks like we have some closet liberals here.  LOL Read the book I suggested  "Lone Survivor) about operation RedWing about the Navy Seal Marcus Luttrell. Now if any one has had any reason to hate what is going on he would as he was wounded and dang near killed and 11 of his good friends were killed yet  he respects his Commander in Chief, Hates the liberal press and has went back to war in this case back to Iraq as he served there before he was sent to Afganistan where he got injured. He volunteered to go back to Iraq to be with his men. Going back did not worry him at all and he has paid a price already in this war. But then as was said he is a true warrior who like most of the professional soldiers do not want to lose this war.
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2007, 04:28:34 PM »
yes it is powderman and it is a ashame. with their type of attude were no better than the people of iraq just another 3rd world country. we need to finish what we started.  if we was to cut and run back when our fore fathers founded the usa then we would not be having this conversation. fox news is very fair and balanced there is always one person from each side. too much cnn yup that old crazy nancy grace and chris matthews seem to have everyone convicted of murder and put in jail before the trial. they count deaths in the war as it its something to be proud of. they strut around and have their little liberal friends backing them up.
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #50 on: September 05, 2007, 04:29:30 PM »
Quote from: ironglow on September 05, 2007, 03:39:12 PM
  Fazak;

   "Stop-loss"..the military men I know haven't used that term...

You must not know many.

In fact,... judging from your comments,.. I'm beginning to wonder if you know *any*.
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« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2007, 04:33:08 PM »
i know quite a few and i have heard none of that nonsense ohh yeah fazak he said that his grandson was in the corps and another one was joining the army so i would say yeah he probably does know a lot! i know a bunch of my friends that wanted to go back they enlisted again
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« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2007, 04:35:16 PM »
when the ratings dip down in the low 30s its not closet liberals! blunder after blunder from the mind of TEX CRITTER!! the guy who can`t carry on a conversation with out a speech writer!!
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2007, 04:36:07 PM »
  Tragically. " Rush is Right".....Again !

           Rush says that " whateever is bad for the country, is good news to democrats"...and they gleefully welcome such news..

      If the stock market drops the liberal "yellow journalists" (2 ways yellow) are all over it...
      Although the stock market has recently achieved all time high-water marks..nary a peep !


      They salivate over the possibility of more American deaths and since it is an "all volunteer" force, they are of course, in no danger.

       They even seem to be anxious for more "Katrinas" and seemed disappointed with the last two relatively calm years.

      They trumpet the misdeeds of a few eight balls in Abu Gharib prison..then gloss over the torture and beheadings of Americans.

       The Minnesota bridge collapse was welcomed with a smile by many libs..so they could attempt somehow, to blame Carl Rove..

       Thery trumpet the incident in Haditha ( where the Marines accused were exonerated)  and almost NEVER even mention the many
       schools, hospitals, orphanages etc that our military has founded and keep in operation..



     Just imagine if YOU were a member of some crowd that could honestly boast that " anything bad for the United States is good for my party !"..
       I think most of us would find it imperative on our part, to leave such a blood-sucking party...
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« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2007, 04:40:53 PM »
they can take stuff like 9/11 and make them feel better by pinning it on our president who was new that year. they can make bad news and frame bush its always bushes fault and the conservitives and republicans. but the man who had money in his frezzer is innocent but some guy tapped his foot and it ment he was gay. who makes up that?? who cares. whats it comming to.. GAMES huh? see they take something like that and twist it.
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« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2007, 04:43:47 PM »
after that one,i think i`ll get drunk!
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Re: Bush in Iraq
« Reply #56 on: September 05, 2007, 05:06:55 PM »
  Jdt48653..

      You're not there already...LOL

   Fazak;

    Below is a pic of my grandson that came in a few days ago from Al Anbar.
        If you're around NC the next 3-4 months or so..i would be glad to introduce you so YOU can tell him personally that he is substandard.

  Warning: He is not just Spec Ops, he is also a Marine qualified martial arts instructor...


   As has been said before " tell it to the Marines"...LOL
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« Reply #57 on: September 05, 2007, 05:15:10 PM »
To the "limp-wristed" lefties...

       I say again...

    Did you hear the tremendous round of applause and almost continuous "OORAHs" that were given the President at Al Asad the other day ?

   Rather puts the lie to your whimperings, doesn't it !!!
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« Reply #58 on: September 05, 2007, 05:29:35 PM »
Quote from: ironglow on September 05, 2007, 05:06:55 PM
  Jdt48653..

      You're not there already...LOL

   Fazak;

    Below is a pic of my grandson that came in a few days ago from Al Anbar.
        If you're around NC the next 3-4 months or so..i would be glad to introduce you so YOU can tell him personally that he is substandard.

  Warning: He is not just Spec Ops, he is also a Marine qualified martial arts instructor...


   As has been said before " tell it to the Marines"...LOL

Fine lookin' young man.

He deserves better leadership than the neocons are providing for him.
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« Reply #59 on: September 05, 2007, 05:33:21 PM »
  He has no trouble with his leadership..but he has some concern with the "desertionship" and "traitorship" he sees in some of the liberal politicians back here in the states...
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