Author Topic: Bush in Iraq (Read 8924 times)

30-06man · « **Reply #90 on:** September 07, 2007, 01:35:19 PM »

i think i am going to stop posting on this topics since the do anything to bash our government dems are so hard headed and blind to the truth.

30.06man

alsaqr · « **Reply #91 on:** September 07, 2007, 11:51:27 PM »

"i think i am going to stop posting on this topics since the do anything to bash our government dems are so hard headed and blind to the truth."

The problem is that dyed in the wool neo-con supporters have so many different versions of "the truth." i am a long time Republican and pride myself in being an equal opportunity basher. When Demonrat politicians do something idiotic i bash them, ditto when the Republikklans do something idiotic.

Some neo-con versions of the truth:

We invaded Iraq because Saddam had WMD.
We invaded Iraq for oil.
We invaded Iraq because Saddam mistreated Iraqi citizens.
We invaded Iraq for Israel.
We invaded Iraq in order to build a "democracy."
We invaded Iraq because Saddam dissed the US for 12 years.

alsaqr · « **Reply #92 on:** September 08, 2007, 01:14:31 AM »

"Actually marching off to war based on some misinformation and obfuscated facts isn't really 'conservative' at all, and then added to that is the idea that the GOP, in concept, has been hyjacked by rabid internationalists."

Exactly, and it also has to do with huge egos. Four decades ago we were in another useless war run by another egotistical Texan who had no idea how to win that war but refused to pull out. So Lyndon Johnson lied, his entire cabinet lied, and for the first time the US military lied wholesale. US politicians learned nothing from the Viet Nam debacle.

US politicians are lying again, i also suspect that some senior military leaders are lying: If so this is a travesty.

30-06man · « **Reply #93 on:** September 08, 2007, 02:31:45 AM »

see we entered for every thing ecept oil. and the democracy came later in 2005. i don't know how hard it is to tell the thick skulled dems that we also entered to stop funding the al queda. its a proven fact. we wasn't in a usless war in vietnam. we had some usless dems who pulled out. i think that you offend EVERY VETERAN that fought in vietnam with that statement. also all the troops fighting now!

Don Fischer · « **Reply #94 on:** September 08, 2007, 04:35:18 AM »

The United states hasn't been in a war since WWII. They all have been nothing more than American intervention in the affairs of country's that American politicians disagreed with. Excepting Afghanistan and now that there is a war, the same politicians are afraid to fight it. What America really needs to do is learn to mind their own damn business. If the people of Iraq were willing to let Saddam kill off that many of their own country men we sure aren't going to change their minds. Soon as we leave some new leader of the people will start killing the spineless bsartad's. Cowardice is a terrible price to pay for supposed safety but they were willing to pay it. Now young Americans are paying for Iraq's cowardliness with American lives. And why? Regime change, nothing more. And George Bush in the first Gulf War stopped exactly where he said he would. It wasn't that he didn't finish the job, it was that he did the job he said he was going to do.

Other than Afghanistan tell me one war, make that conflict, we were in where aggression may have come to our shores? I kind of have my doubts that Korea or Vietnam would ever have considered an attack on us. And what was Bosnia going to attack us with, how about Somalia, what were they going to launch at us? One of the largest threats to the American way of life comes from Mexico and our politicians do nothing about that!

Shoot, name one conflict other than the Gulf War and Afghanistan were one country invaded another?

jdt48653 · « **Reply #95 on:** September 08, 2007, 04:54:19 AM »

if you defend the undefendable then you are a loyalist!to blindly follow a party policy that is wrong
means that you are putting bush before your country!when the leaders of either party do this ,we all pay for it! as for now its bush who is destroying our country,faster then the enemy can!!

Cheesehead · « **Reply #96 on:** September 08, 2007, 05:29:39 AM »

There is a difference between patriotism and blind faith.

Cheese

30-06man · « **Reply #97 on:** September 08, 2007, 06:13:37 AM »

Don Fischer if you don't consider this a war and the vietnam a war then i don't see that you know what your talking about! i haven't seen a draft they knew when they signed up what to expect. the government didn't tell them to join they joined on their on. i guess you don't remember 9/11 either it was al queada not afgansitan thats were they were trained!! duh! they were funded buy iraq who is a terrorist safe haven and funded them!! were not fighting iraq were fighting terrist and al queda the people who attacked us. saddam was part of them!! the people of afganstan didn't attack us al queada did. its the same people who we are fighting in iraq! the iraqs was getting killed even if they fought. now that they can stand up since they don't have that cominust party and are making a democracy. all of those were wars you listed. its stupidy on all of yalls part saying that they wasn't wars. its stupid how stupid yall can be! no country invaded us on 9/11 al queda did! if anyone iraq kept them alive by provding money! then they trained in afganstan!

alsaqr · « **Reply #98 on:** September 08, 2007, 10:38:49 AM »

"i think that you offend EVERY VETERAN that fought in vietnam with that statement."

Well, buddy, i was in Viet Nam and am a disabled veteran because of my service there. When were you there? US troops were long gone from Viet Nam when congress cut funding for the war. Cut funding, did not eliminate funding, as neo-cons are so apt to claim. Henry Kissinger and that crooked Republican, Richard Nixon, sold US POW/MIA folks down the drain when they signed a surrender agreement with North Viet Nam in 1973. The South fell in 1975. Do not presume to tell me a damn thing about the US military or Viet Nam. Now be a typical neo-con and tell me i am not a "patriot" and cast doubt on my military service just like those draft dodging Republican congressman do.

Retired US Army M/Sgt.

30-06man · « **Reply #99 on:** September 08, 2007, 11:03:57 AM »

first off i ain't no neo con and i didn't say you wasn't a patriot and i won't. all i know is some friends of mine who fought over there were offended. the way that iraq is going it will be a failure unless some democrats get over their pride which they won't if both partys are lying as you said then why do you stand up for the democrats? at least the Conservatives aren't anti gun and anti freedom. "US politicians are lying again, i also suspect that some senior military leaders are lying: If so this is a travesty." is what you said. the democrats are in charge all ecept the president and they haven't tried to do a darn thing ecept get rid of guns and global warming! i ain't casting no doubt on anything

alsaqr · « **Reply #100 on:** September 08, 2007, 11:28:40 AM »

.30-06 man, it is true that the Democrat party is anti-gun. They even had an anti-gun plank in their party platform when Klinton ran for prez. It is a little known fact that convicted felons make up one of the largest of the Democrat constituencies. Felons vote in at least 38 states and overwhelmingly they vote Democrat. It is any wonder that those whiney liberal politicians are opposed to the severe punishment of violent criminals? Yes, i do bash the Demonrats.

No we cannot just up and abandon Iraq. Damned if i know what we ought to do there. I do know that fine US troops are fighting and dying while the Iraqi army wusses off. The Iraqi police are totally corrupt and some are terrorists. Al Maliki has gotten very, very cozy with Iran: He needs to be taken out of the Iraqi government, forcefully if need be. The Democrats in congress need to shut the heck up for the time being.

i can tell you that there will never be a lasting democracy that rules all of Iraq. In all likelihood Iraq will be split into three parts. A lot of troops will be leaving Iraq next year, regardless of how the war goes. Politics in an election year take precedence over wars and every thing else.

30-06man · « **Reply #101 on:** September 08, 2007, 11:53:58 AM »

i don't think that the government will work.. it still will be better than with saddam. some people think we should just get up and leave.. we should redraw slowly in about a year or more. but keep some troops there. we sould keep on fighting in afganstain and find bin laden in put him 6 feet under

Don Fischer · « **Reply #102 on:** September 08, 2007, 03:00:17 PM »

30-06, Korea and Vietnam were conflicts with no declared war. They were nothing more than BS because our government wouldn't let us fight them. You feel free to justify any way you want Bush going into Iraq, it should not have happened and it was never about terrorism, it was about regime change and it's backfired. Winning the war on terrorism would be easy but, Americans don't have the stomach for war and the politicians play politics with it. Get the damn politics out of it, tell the Generals "win the war", then turn our head the other way. You watch and you won't like what you see.

ironglow · « **Reply #103 on:** September 09, 2007, 02:07:04 AM »

That's the way the first Gulf war was fought, and a good job was done until the Geo H Bush decided to pay attention to the UN !

Obviously in hindsight, he should have ignored the UN demand that he stop short and leave Hussein in control !...But of course, hindsight is always 20/20.

The modern roots of the Middle East troubles rest with one man..Jimmy Carter. Carter could have assisted the Shah and nipped the "Islamic revolution" in the bud.
Instead, he refused help..let the Iatola Khomeni waltz into Iran unobstructed to assume power.

The Iatola's thank you to Carter was to almost immediately take captive the whole American embassy staff !

When Carter did nothing of substance for this slap across the face of America..the "Madhouse Muslims" gained real power in the Mid-east and moved into Afghanistan to confront the Soviets !

alsaqr · « **Reply #104 on:** September 09, 2007, 02:46:09 AM »

Middle east problems go back a very long way. You cannot deal rationally with a bunch of people (Shiites) who believe that the Angel Gabriel goofed up and talked with Mohammed when he was supposed to talk with Ali: Shiites claim that they had exchanged rooms for the night. Then it gets even crazier with some Shiites who believe that an 8 year old boy (the Madhii) who drowned in a well many hundreds of years ago is coming back to save them.

Yes, Carter goofed up big time when he refused to support the Shah. The idiotic Carter even bragged about what a wonderful guy the Ayatollah really was. That was before Iranian crazies seized the US embassy. Now the Shah was not a real stellar guy either. Just like Saddam, he had lots of torture chambers for lots of folks: Remember SAVAK? Then Ronald Reagan cut and ran from Beirut and showed the crazy Islamic types that he did not care about the middle east. The biggest mistake of all was made when the US decided to support the Afghanistan "freedom fighters." This is where al Queda and the Taliban began. The US had no business meddling in Afghanistan. To make things even worse, Big Daddy Bush abandoned Afghanistan after the Russian army left.

We as US taxpayers will be paying hundreds of billions of dollars over several decades in order to repair the mistakes made when George Bush and the neo-cons broke Iraq. The US broke it and now we own it.

alsaqr · « **Reply #105 on:** September 09, 2007, 04:09:22 AM »

TM7 there is a lot of validity in what you say. Several US presidents have "collectivized" the US government when they appointed non US born folks to high office. There was that total disaster named Henry Kissinger who sold US POW/MIA folks down the chute when he surrendered to North Viet Nam. Then there as that nutcase named Zbignew Brzezinski who Carter appointed as his "security advisor" or something. This is the guy who got the US involved in Afghanistan. Not last and not least there is Madelaine Albright, the Klinton minister of foreign affairs who hates the US military. These three foreigners were responsible for some of the most serious policy blunders ever made by the US.

30-06man · « **Reply #106 on:** September 09, 2007, 05:19:43 AM »

if Hillary wins i think that she will go back on her word about pulling out the troops and keep fighting for her ego. that's it American pollutions and some citizens are wimps and won't let us fight. we probably won't get to. Vietnam may have not been declared a war and just a conflict but it was worse than this.. if they decide to cut funding while the troops are still over there to just to get them to come home then we will lose more American life's. they seem to want to force us to bring them home if it means more soldiers dying.

30-06man · « **Reply #107 on:** September 09, 2007, 04:12:06 PM »

ohh yeah.. well... it might be covered now. this wasn't the orginal subject anyways it was is bush crazy for going over there on a holiday weekend. i think...

Fazak · « **Reply #108 on:** September 09, 2007, 04:21:03 PM »

Quote from: alsaqr on September 09, 2007, 04:09:22 AM

TM7 there is a lot of validity in what you say. Several US presidents have "collectivized" the US government when they appointed non US born folks to high office. There was that total disaster named Henry Kissinger who sold US POW/MIA folks down the chute when he surrendered to North Viet Nam. Then there as that nutcase named Zbignew Brzezinski who Carter appointed as his "security advisor" or something. This is the guy who got the US involved in Afghanistan. Not last and not least there is Madelaine Albright, the Klinton minister of foreign affairs who hates the US military. These three foreigners were responsible for some of the most serious policy blunders ever made by the US.

Don't leave out Wolfowitz.

He's the architect of this latest blunder and it has the potential to be one of the biggest in recent times,... if some sanity isn't restored to our government soon,...

gypsyman · « **Reply #109 on:** September 10, 2007, 12:05:17 PM »

Sanity in our government comes and goes with different issue's. I truly believe that GW is right on the war issue. He's trying to get to the terrorists, and disrupt any more 9/11's. Unfortunately, he's got his head up his butt, when it comes to the Mexican border issue. And this is probably where it'll bite us in the end. Either in an attack, or economical issue's. And I'll bet, that if you check back, you'll find every president has appointed an idiot in some high office, and the thing is, we have enough American ones to go around, we don't need to import any. gypsyman

30-06man · « **Reply #110 on:** September 10, 2007, 12:11:19 PM »

right.

jh45gun · « **Reply #111 on:** September 10, 2007, 12:42:54 PM »

Quote from: gypsyman on September 10, 2007, 12:05:17 PM

Sanity in our government comes and goes with different issue's. I truly believe that GW is right on the war issue. He's trying to get to the terrorists, and disrupt any more 9/11's. Unfortunately, he's got his head up his butt, when it comes to the Mexican border issue. And this is probably where it'll bite us in the end. Either in an attack, or economical issue's. And I'll bet, that if you check back, you'll find every president has appointed an idiot in some high office, and the thing is, we have enough American ones to go around, we don't need to import any. gypsyman

I keep saying While I support Bush he is the wrong man for the Immigration issue as his Sister-in-law- Jebs Wife is a Mexican and not one born here either she came from Mexico. So for that fact alone GW has a conflict of interest.

Swampman · « **Reply #112 on:** September 10, 2007, 01:13:50 PM »

I believe the President is smart enough to know this country really really needs folks who want to work. Try to find a orange grown in the US. There's no one left to pick them.

30-06man · « **Reply #113 on:** September 10, 2007, 03:45:20 PM »

countless americans are losing jobs because of nafta. i happen to be one. i worked 24 and was 6 short of retiring from a tire plant. well they moved to brazil for no reason ecept it was cheaper. i don't like the illegals being here. they mess up too much stuff and we suck up to them

Dee · « **Reply #114 on:** September 11, 2007, 08:46:52 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 10, 2007, 01:13:50 PM

I believe the President is smart enough to know this country really really needs folks who want to work. Try to find a orange grown in the US. There's no one left to pick them.

alsaqr · « **Reply #115 on:** September 11, 2007, 12:47:32 PM »

"I believe the President is smart enough to know this country really really needs folks who want to work."

Or he could be so dumb that he would drown in his own snot without help.

ironglow · « **Reply #116 on:** September 11, 2007, 03:03:16 PM »

Or maybe we will get "the world's smartest woman" next November and she can set us well on the road to Marxism.

You know that smart woman that had 600 FBI files on congress in her office ! ..The one that just recieved many $ millions from a MR Hsu, who got it from "far east donors"..( Communist Chinese ?).

Her "other half" that gave Red China "most favored nation" trading status (for a price ?).

If we keep condemning a fairly decent president..and waste our vote on some 3rd party spoiler, we may get her..or perhaps Osama/Obama...

Dee · « **Reply #117 on:** September 11, 2007, 03:08:45 PM »

What 3rd party spoiler are we talking about here?

Heavy C · « **Reply #118 on:** September 11, 2007, 06:11:40 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 10, 2007, 01:13:50 PM

I believe the President is smart enough to know this country really really needs folks who want to work. Try to find a orange grown in the US. There's no one left to pick them.

Oh there'll be folks to pick them alright. You'd better get used $12/lb for those oranges.

Swampman · « **Reply #119 on:** September 11, 2007, 11:43:19 PM »

"What 3rd party spoiler are we talking about here?"

That would be Ron Paul the guy who will never be president.