Author Topic: Bush in Iraq (Read 8824 times)

30-06man · « **Reply #150 on:** September 13, 2007, 03:25:43 PM »

we need another Ronald Regan.

30-06man · « **Reply #151 on:** September 13, 2007, 03:34:53 PM »

go listin to charlie daniles new song iraq blues. it may help some dems fiqure about how the troops feel

30-06man · « **Reply #152 on:** September 13, 2007, 03:40:50 PM »

heres a link. http://www.cmt.com/sitewide/apps/mediaplayer/index.jhtml?track=07&type=listeningparty&paid=1383985&albumid=1540796&xmlFile=/artists/listening_party/daniels_charlie/live_from_iraq/album.xml&gateway=artists&channelID=21&s0=artists&refURL=/artists/az/daniels_charlie/1540796/album.jhtml&adPN=album&s1=az&s2=daniels_charlie&adPth=/sitewide/ads/adsetup/artists/ you need to scroll down in the songs section

superjay01 · « **Reply #153 on:** September 13, 2007, 04:56:28 PM »

since everyone is not sure what happened to democrats, I would like to know what happened to the republicans? They use to be the party of small government, fiscal responsibility, not nation building, and for the rights of peoples privacy, hard on illegal immigration. All of which has long left the republican party. I'm neither a dem or repub for the simple fact that they are one in the same. They pick sides on hot button issues, guns, abortion, gay marriage, etc, etc to get people all fired about but when it comes down to it, they work for major corporations not for the people that vote.

jh45gun · « **Reply #154 on:** September 13, 2007, 05:07:53 PM »

So ya pick and choose no third party is even close to becoming a threat to the two so that option is out.

ironglow · « **Reply #155 on:** September 13, 2007, 05:53:46 PM »

30.06 man..

   I already know how many of the troops feel. Living in a rural, patriotic town we have many friends and neighbors in the military at present.

   I have a grandson in the Marines (in Iraq X2) and a second grandson going for his Army physical in the morning..should be in Ft Leonard Wood in about a week and a half.
  The Marine is Spec Ops and the new Army recruit plans on becoming an EOD (explosive ordnance disposal) "bomb squad"specialist.

   I am very close friends with perhaps 20 current military from home and when I visit my Marine grandson, i converse long with his fellow Marines..plus, I am a fairly gregarious guy and strike up conversations with Marines around Camp Lejeune.

   I haven't met a single one that wants to "cut and run"..

Most do not enjoy the constant deployments and wish they could be home more..but to a man, they want to WIN..then come home !

  There is absolutely NO desire to come home with their "tails between their legs" !

jh45gun..Yes, Zell Miller was a good one..I didn't realize he had died...

Yes Superjay..The Republicans aren't what they were with "the Gipper"...but they are so far ahead of the Democrats
on the issues that count most,...there's no comparison.

jh45gun · « **Reply #156 on:** September 13, 2007, 06:28:51 PM »

Dang I got to go and change that post thanks I knew it was miller and I forgot his first name so I used the wrong first name who was a congressman by the way. I did a search and that name popped up so I thought that was the one. You are right Zell was the person who I was refering to and a Senator not a Congressman and Yes he is still alive. sorry about the confusion. Anyway I wish more were like him.

Swampman · « **Reply #157 on:** September 13, 2007, 11:53:48 PM »

"guns" isn't a hot button issue. It's the only issue.

jh45gun · « **Reply #158 on:** September 14, 2007, 05:29:47 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on September 13, 2007, 05:53:46 PM

30.06 man..

   I already know how many of the troops feel. Living in a rural, patriotic town we have many friends and neighbors in the military at present.

   I have a grandson in the Marines (in Iraq X2) and a second grandson going for his Army physical in the morning..should be in Ft Leonard Wood in about a week and a half.
  The Marine is Spec Ops and the new Army recruit plans on becoming an EOD (explosive ordnance disposal) "bomb squad"specialist.

   I am very close friends with perhaps 20 current military from home and when I visit my Marine grandson, i converse long with his fellow Marines..plus, I am a fairli gregarious guy and strike up conversations with Marines around Camp Lejeune.

   I haven't met a single one that wants to "cut and run"..

Most do not enjoy the constant deployments and wish they could be home more..but to a man, they want to WIN..then come home !

  There is absolutely NO desire to come home with their "tails between their legs" !

jh45gun..Yes, Zell Miller was a good one..I didn't realize he had died...

Yes Superjay..The Republicans aren't what they were with "the Gipper"...but they are so far ahead of the Democrats
on the issues that count most,...there's no comparison.

Gee Imagine that and to think others here try to tell us that all the soldiers want to leave Iraq with out winning.

Good post Ironglow.

30-06man · « **Reply #159 on:** September 14, 2007, 11:07:46 AM »

i know how you feel on it and the others. i was posting it for the cut and run dems. they don't understand it and never will. i also live in a small town and i have not met a single troop who wanted to cut and run. the president said they were going to have like 27000 troops home by next summer looks like the dems got to him

ironglow · « **Reply #160 on:** September 14, 2007, 12:21:13 PM »

30.06...

I don't think the Dems got to him..from all indications it appears that things are doing well enough to start the draw down.

You hear on the news every night how well Al Anbar is doing..apparently Gen Petraeus is relatively confident that such will spread to other provinces.

I understand Gen Petraeus holds a Phd in international relations (1987) and is the authoritative voice in counterinsurgency warfare..he wrote the defining book on the subject !

30-06man · « **Reply #161 on:** September 14, 2007, 12:25:10 PM »

yes in someways they have. the illegals but some had to do with his sister in law. he has come back on his word some but all do that. this is the only thing that he has done with troop withdraws. time will tell

jh45gun · « **Reply #162 on:** September 14, 2007, 06:23:31 PM »

OK I cannot say the guys that Hate Bush here because I was told they do not hate anybody

SO the guys that are fed up with Bush (there that better

) are like the press sowing doom and gloom and that all the soldiers do not want to win but want to cut and run because of one or two soldiers they may heard it from or some blog on the net that is one soldiers opinon yet folks like Ironglow who has talked to a lot of them including his grandson tells a different story. I would tend to beleive they want to WIN and then come home or at least get the country as stable as they can before coming home. I have read more positive views from soldiers than negative but as in any group your going to have some that will be on both sides of the issue. I would tend to think more of them feel more postive of what they are doing instead of negative. For the record I have talked to some guardsmen who were overthere so I got their views firsthand too and they were positive on what they felt they were doing over there. I have a best friend who has been over there several times in the Air Guard and he had some good things to say of what they are doing over there.

30-06man · « **Reply #163 on:** September 15, 2007, 01:39:03 AM »

for the record also i was talking to my friend benny who came back from iraq. and he said he was going to go back and try to stay as long as he could since he doesn't have any family. he said about about all troops want to win the war, i talked to some of his friends when he came home and they said that they wanted to go back and win. they are agaisnt the media and they all say that and the dems are their no1 enimy and if anything makes them come home it won't be the people over there it will be the dems and the media. they said that now that the media and dems have got on to the cut and run wagon that they have another war to fight and that is agaist the bias news media and dems. yesterday i was driving by the local collage and they had a protest about the war and peace. someone called the police dept and they came out and arrested a bunch of them for mulliiple charges including disturbing the peace and the use of illegal drugs. now i wonder what the world is comming to?

gypsyman · « **Reply #164 on:** September 19, 2007, 06:19:18 AM »

I know in the last 2/3 years, I've talked with over a dozen soldiers that were either in Iraq, or going to Iraq. To a man,(sorry, didn't talk with a woman about this) all feel that it is necessary for this war. Not a single one thought we should cut and run. And the only comment was that Iraq military should start stepping up in it's own behalf. And I believe that is taking place. Probably take a year or 2, but I think it will happen. gypsyman

ironglow · « **Reply #165 on:** September 19, 2007, 07:12:14 AM »

From what I understand, Cindy Sheehan's son Casey..was not in favor of "cut and run"..

30-06man · « **Reply #166 on:** September 19, 2007, 10:58:57 AM »

probably. she probably sent him there. shes just stupid

Graybeard · « **Reply #167 on:** September 19, 2007, 12:21:40 PM »

The sad part is there is no war there for us to win. It's a police action in a country in civil turmoil against its own. We're just caught in the middle and serving no purpose of use to this country. We should have gotten the hell out once we removed Saddam from power. Nothing we've done there since bears any legitimacy or benefits this nation.

ironglow · « **Reply #168 on:** September 19, 2007, 12:46:49 PM »

I see what you mean GB..and there are times when it looks somewhat like that ..but to leave now would encourage the Muslim crazies >

Although it makes no sense to us, the crazies could twist it into a victory for them..which would encourage many more to join in their escapades..

We have to whip them to a standstill there .

Such has been done in Al Anbar province which has the Sunni Triangle as well as Ramadi & Fallujah.

By hammering the terrorists to a standstill there, with their strange turn of mind..they are now assisting the coalition troops in rooting out the few terrorists remaining.

Some of the tribal chiefs are now going out and hunting down the Al Queda.

Those minds greatly respect strength and force..they would laugh at and be greatly strengthened by any show of weakness..real or simply perceived..

Graybeard · « **Reply #169 on:** September 19, 2007, 01:10:36 PM »

I don't agree. The ONLY thing they understand is force and we are not demonstrating force but rather weakness and restraint there now and what we're doing is worse than leaving. We need to get the helll out and then if they do anything of which we disapprove just wipe those guilty from the face of the earth as Israel does and then move on. Don't stay in their land as we have no right to do that.

We do not have the right to tell folks in another country how to run their country. We don't have the right to do nation building. If someone hits us we have the right to anillate them from the face of the earth but not to take over their country.

30-06man · « **Reply #170 on:** September 19, 2007, 01:16:46 PM »

well since the people aren't the ones fighting us they are helping us. they don't want to have some one like saddam over them they need to fight more(iraq troops). we don't have those rights but no one but al queda is rejecting us. i agree ironglow and i see what GB means also about it not being a war but i do belive we need to finish what we started

Don Fischer · « **Reply #171 on:** September 19, 2007, 01:35:12 PM »

Regarding soldiers that don't want to cut and run but would rather win. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for one that didn't, they are trained to win, not run. They want to run and their leaders need something done to them! I believe that if the military brass told the rank and file soldier to attack the American government tomorrow, they would. They are trained to take orders. I would like to see Bush grow some balls and just turn the country into a parking lot. There will be no winning in Iraq and we should never have invaded in the first place. The problem with Bush is he wanted a war but doesn't have the balls to fight it. That's why we got our ass's kicked in Vietnam. Should have left Nixon in office and turned our head to what he was doing in the war. He was willing to fight, it got him in trouble.

Dee · « **Reply #172 on:** September 19, 2007, 02:20:56 PM »

Uh. Nixon got us OUT OF THE WAR.

superjay01 · « **Reply #173 on:** September 19, 2007, 02:51:49 PM »

I keep hearing people say words like "finish" and "win" but nobody has every come out and said what that means. I keep hearing the same thing from the president and yet he never says what "victory" is. To me their are two solutions to Iraq. Bring all the troops home and not worry about what happens in Iraq. Which is a good, or pull the troops out and drop an a-bomb on the country.

jh45gun · « **Reply #174 on:** September 19, 2007, 03:44:19 PM »

It is pretty damn easy to say drop a A Bomb on the country but it will never happen as the world repercussions would be huge. We got by with it in Japan as we had them no one else did at the time and we did it to end the war that would have kept on with Japans Fanaticism if we had not which in the end saved American lives. I doubt we could use that same story line again.

30-06man · « **Reply #175 on:** September 19, 2007, 03:56:53 PM »

if we did then we would have a nuclear war. its strange how people think that a bomb will solve it. this war will have to be fought the way its going.. the dems ain't helping and neither is the media

superjay01 · « **Reply #176 on:** September 19, 2007, 04:04:07 PM »

I would agree with you on that to a point. I just don't see why we are in Iraq, it's not helping the war on terrorism at all. I would argue that it is making the war on terror harder to fight. I also don't understand how people can support Bush on how he is running this war. I mean his plan is not working now, hasn't worked in the past, and isn't going to work. I'm trying to figure out what his plan on Iraq is.

superjay01 · « **Reply #177 on:** September 19, 2007, 04:09:55 PM »

ROFLMAO, the way that it is being fighting?? What way is that? Send more troops over then six months later say oh things are not really better but we are going to bring some troops home anyways? The way bush has been fighting this war is with incompetence. Again what is victory in Iraq? Can someone tell me that? What have the democrats done to impede the way bush has wanted to fight this war? They haven't. As far as the media goes they are doing their job, some people would argue that they aren't doing enough to show what is going on in Iraq.

30-06man · « **Reply #178 on:** September 19, 2007, 04:16:38 PM »

its helping by elimating al queda. we will have to fight them in other countrys but we are tring to get iraq where they can fight them and we don't have to. were in iraq tring to get rid of the terriost or at least try to slow them down

ironglow · « **Reply #179 on:** September 19, 2007, 04:28:48 PM »

Al Anbar is the largest province in Iraq (area)..just what do we not understand about success ?

General Petraeus is arguably the world's foremost expert on counterinsurgency warfare..what has he told us ?

I do believe that his conclusions bear more weight than a thousand conjectures by politicians and "armchair experts"..

To Bush's credit...it is very difficult to coach to victory when half the team is continually skulking and complaining ..