Bush in Iraq

[jdt48653]

we`er there for one reason ,CONTROL! future oil control means staying number 1.whoever controls
that region will dictate energy policies to the rest of the world.
bush/Cheney are not done yet,they still have to take Iran to control enough oil to cripple any other
build ups from China and russia.france just figured this out,now they will be our close ally!
we just beat the rest to it.keep your fond memorys of how this country used to be,because its never going to be like that again.in the near future we won`t recognize it.we are becomming
just like the bad guys!!

[superjay01]

again can someone tell me what victory is in Iraq?? So you are telling me we are in Iraq to kill al queda? How do you know who is al queda and who isn't? If that is the reason we are in Iraq then we will always be in Iraq, and that is impossible. Why can't we fight them in Afghanistan instead of Iraq? Sorry but you can't sell me me a war that has cost 500 billion dollars on the fact that we are fighting to kill al queda.

Who is skulking? and complaining. Just because a person is not on the bush bandwagon doesn't mean they are skulking and complaining.  As for General Petraeus, I'm sure he took note of what happened to General Shinseki when he gave his thoughts on Iraq.

[Don Fischer]

Uh. Nixon got us OUT OF THE WAR.

He's the one that started mining the north's harbors, he got in trouble for that. He's the one that started bombing Cambodia, he got in trouble for that. Kennedy didn't want the war, he got shot. Johnson jumped in with both feet, he should have been shot. Nixon actually decided if there was a war we were in, he was going to fight it without tying our hands, he got thrown out. He may have pulled us out but it was the political pressure that did it, we got our ass whipped. They'd have left him alone, their would be a Wal-Mart in Saigon now! All those guy's died for nothing because America cut and run. Now they want to do the same in Iraq, another place we never should have been in the first place.

[magooch]

The last time I heard, we are fighting al Qaeda in Afghanistan and other places.  Winning in Iraq means not leaving it to the terrorists as a sanctuary and a place to launch attacks on us from.  And especially it means not leaving all that oil to a country that would use it against us and our allies.

It comes down to one simple question; is it better to have an Iraq that is more, or less friendly with us, or another Iran?

[Dee]

The last time I heard, we are fighting al Qaeda in Afghanistan and other places.  Winning in Iraq means not leaving it to the terrorists as a sanctuary and a place to launch attacks on us from.  And especially it means not leaving all that oil to a country that would use it against us and our allies.

It comes down to one simple question; is it better to have an Iraq that is more, or less friendly with us, or another Iran?

That's a good one. LOL  They HATE US in Iraq. We have sent their country into an out of control spiral of death and destruction, that has turned into CIVIL WAR, and WE CAUSED IT. During their last big Islamic holiday a few weeks ago in Baghdad, over three thousand Muslims walked in a circle around a square, praying to Allah, and chanting death to our enemies, and each time they said enemies, they pointed at the U.S. TROOPS standing around as security. My son was one of those troops. They pointed fingers at them, even spat at them, and cursed them. How could they be less friendly, other that shooting at U.S. Troops, which they are. They are only becoming MORE BITTER toward the U.S., the longer we stay. Ideology? 

[magooch]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Israel can fight their own battles, but get along with their neighbors--give me a break.  By get along, do you mean they should just accept all the bombings and violence they've endured from their neighbors over the years?  Should they just pack up and leave Israel to the outrageous, so called Palestinians, or maybe welcome the Iranian sponsored terrorists in from Lebanon.  When Saddam was lobbing scuds at them, I think they showed more restraint than any facist muslim country has ever shown at any time, or anywhere.

As for us starting a civil war in Iraq; we might have changed the dynamics a little, but it seems to me that they were doing a pretty good job of whacking each other before we got there.  Remember the little massacre of the Kurds arranged by Saddam.  And the Shiites in the south of that country that were treated with such understanding when they tried to express their grievances.

You know something else; I get so tired of hearing our troops being called boys and girls.  They are men and women--a hell of lot more so than those who insist on referring to them as boys and girls in order to try to gain a little sympathy for a point of view.  There isn't a one of them that was forced to join the military and there isn't a one of them who didn't know we were at war when they joined, or reenlisted.  They deserve our respect and honor; they simply are the finest this country has ever produced and those who belittle them by calling them children, ought to be ashamed. 

[Dee]

Blacks don't like to be called boy, but my BOY, doesn't mind, and he is a Sgt in the 82nd. He doesn't' seem to be as sensitive as you. No one is demeaning them by the terms, boys and girls. Your picking nits. I suppose however, to appease folks like you, and be  politically correct, we could refer to them as male soldiers and female soldiers.
Saddam Hussein was JUST THE TYPE OF MAN it takes to keep ANY SEMBLENCE of order in rat hole middle eastern country such as Iraq. We DID throw the entire country into a CIVIL WAR, and FAR MORE civilians have been killed than Saddam ever killed to get their attention. Some are just in denial.

[ncsurveyor]

You know something else; I get so tired of hearing our troops being called boys and girls.  They are men and women--a hell of lot more so than those who insist on referring to them as boys and girls in order to try to gain a little sympathy for a point of view.  There isn't a one of them that was forced to join the military and there isn't a one of them who didn't know we were at war when they joined, or reenlisted.  They deserve our respect and honor; they simply are the finest this country has ever produced and those who belittle them by calling them children, ought to be ashamed.

Blacks don't like to be called boy, but my BOY, doesn't mind, and he is a Sgt in the 82nd. He doesn't' seem to be as sensitive as you. No one is demeaning them by the terms, boys and girls. Your picking nits. I suppose however, to appease folks like you, and be  politically correct, we could refer to them as male soldiers and female soldiers.
Saddam Hussein was JUST THE TYPE OF MAN it takes to keep ANY SEMBLENCE of order in rat hole middle eastern country such as Iraq. We DID throw the entire country into a CIVIL WAR, and FAR MORE civilians have been killed than Saddam ever killed to get their attention. Some are just in denial.

Wow.  1st off, what does black people have to do with what magooch said?  2nd, I realize that you two may be at odds over some topics, but why the immense amount of sarcasm when all he was asking was for people to pay a little more respect to people that are voluntarily fighting the war, right or wrong.?  Maybe your boy doesn't mind being called boy, but regardless if he is young enough to be my boy, or any one else's boy, for that matter, the minute he is willing to go to war I think that view ceases. At least it should.

Talk about picking nits?  All the talk about Israel, Iraq, Saddam, etc, and you choose to be cynical because one American asks that soldiers get a little different respect?  PLEASE!

[magooch]

Now you're gettin it, Boy.

[Don Fischer]

Our person's in the military are a fine bunch of person's. But I'd bet a few of those person's are guy's and a few gal's!

[ironglow]

 
    When I was visiting my Marine Grandson (between deployments) last Thanksgiving. He and his wife had several  of his fellow Marines & their wives over for dinner.
   After the meal, I sat around with the guys, discussing the world, politics and their just completed Spec Ops deployment .
     At one point, I referred to them as "you boys"..no awkward silence or correction from them !

    The awkward silence was all on my part..my face probably glowed red ! I explained that I probably had no reason to call them "boys"..since they got their "Eagle, Globe & Anchor'  and certainly not after their first week of heavy combat !

   The chagrin was all mine ! I actually first became aware that my Grandson was truly a "man among men"..when I was informed by Marines returned from Iraq.. that he had recently accomplished his first "one-on-one" with an enemy sniper..

   Indeed a "High Noon" moment like that must be a rite of passage !

[ncsurveyor]

I never thought 'political correctness' would be mandatory here at GB's. But I guess mincing of terms is now the norm everywhere you go.

....TM7

I don't think Magooch was asking you to change your terminology, nor was I.

He just indicated that the terms aggravated him and gave a reason why.  I simply questioned why he was chided sarcastically.

You are welcome to return to your normal political incorrectness.

But, since fighting and maybe dying as a soldier as opposed to being someone's boy or girl, is pretty well irrelevant, meaning WAR does not care who you are when you fight or die, why not give them the honor they deserve and not use them as a medium to ellicit a subjective response?

Otherwise, you might as well call veterans  "that old guy".  That'll get some sort of subjective response too, I'm sure.

I realize there's a lot of opinions here, just curious how often anyone spends time trying to see things from someone else's view, BEFORE they flame them?

Words of wisdom from "that old guy".

[ironglow]

  I can understand both views and can relate to both. I have a second Grandson who is about to enter the Army..he hopes to be an EOD ( Explosive Ordnance Disposal) specialist. Civilians would call that "the bomb squad"..

          To me personally, my son and grandsons will always be "my boys"..even though they may be real "men among men" to the world !

   I surely understand Magooch's position. Many anti American types like to refer to our brave service members as "boys & girls"..thereby attempting to make it look like these
fine soldiers, sailors and Marines are just too young to have made an "informed choice" about serving in a war..a little SLAM at their honor !


      I find it interesting that most of these same people don't refer to the many babies murdered both inside and outside the womb...as "boys and girls"..

    ..And if the teacher takes one's 13 year old daughter somewhere to have their grandchild killed without her parents..they did it because the 13 year old has exercised " her WOMAN'S choice".

   How do we spell hypocrisy ? .....LOL

[30-06man]

they make it seem as the troops don't have a say.. as if the troops are all incompetent and there not. all they can think of is the negitive and tring to change peoples minds on stuff