REMINGTON BULK BULLETS VS HORNADY

[lonewolf5348]

I was out on the week end with the 30-06 seem I been using Hornady SP INTERLOCK 165 grain bullets for the last 35 years but it seem bullet prices are going threw the roof;I just ordered from Midsouth remington cor lock 165 grain think they went for $13.99 and all I have to say the same powder charge using 4350 and they group excellent.
I did run into a problem again with empty fired bullet brass seem it did stick again:I was shooting a mid range load 52.0 grains so they are not hot loads even thought I shoot 10 thousands off the lands but I think I found the problem when cleaning the rifle I had some rust on the base of the extractor plate :The gun was clean and oiled well last year seem the last time the gun was shot was last November I had no problems last year at the range seem cleaning the case with ballistor did the trick on sticking cases but I ran out of the stuff

[safetysheriff]

Since MidSouth is linked to this site as one of our sponsors i also have dealt with it.   i think that's worthwhile even if buying Remington projectiles as opposed to Hornady.......ONCE IN A WHILE.   i think that some Remington projectiles have been mfd' by Hornady in the past, but can't prove that.   i know that in some applications i've found CoreLokts to be amazingly accurate.   remember, too, Remington gave us the first "tipped" bullet (BronzePoint);  and i believe they had the first jacket that locked itself onto the lead core (CoreLokt).    Remington is not new to producing top-flite bullets.

Hornady, however, seems to have done their homework when it comes to producing a very good bullet.   as a testament to this you can see that Weatherby loads Hornady "Interlock" bullets in their own Magnum calibers!   i recommend you look at their site to see what they put into their own cartridges.

if you wipe down your fired cases with Rislone Engine Treatment you will find you can full-length size them then with no other lube.    just put some inside the neck as well.    Rislone has great film strength nowadays.  i also mix it with Hoppe's #9 to clean my rifles.   

take care,

ss'   

[demented]

I've used Remington, Sierra, Hornady, Nosler, Winchester and Speer bullets.  I haven't seen a dimes difference in any.  At least not on deer size game.  Accuracy is close to equal (some rifles like one better than the other)  I buy whatever is cheapest in bulk, usually Core-Loks and don't look back.

[georgeld]

IF you're only concern is punching holes in paper, and lots of 'em.  Shoot corelokts.

IF you're hunting elk with 'em  It might interest you to know about an experience I had with 180gr in my 300Win in -'02.

Shot a cow up a real steep hill @ 200yds from prone.  Hit maybe 6" high, but, just about right on the ribs for a double lung shot.  Knocked her down, in 16" snow and she slid over 100yds down the hill toward me. Knowing she wouldn't slide all the way down, I started up there. When she stopped sliding, she took off running hard.

The unexpected running off caught me offguard and I made a bad offhand shot, hitting in top of the hips on the spine.  Went down for good.  When I was about 10-15 feet face on, I slipped on a buried rock. Looked down to see where I was going next and heard a loud snorting racket.  Looked at her and she was head up, pawing hard. I believe trying to get me, but, couldn't because of the broken back.  I promptly blew her head apart with the handgun I carry and had out just in case.

While dressing her out I discovered three ribs busted, hole on the surface was about 9" long and 2" wide, three ribs busted. Looked a lot like an exit hole. But, this was the entrance. and it DID NOT enter the near lung.  That bullet blew up on the surface.  I can send pictures if you'll send me an e'mail. georgeld@hotmail.com

After I got home, sent three e'mails to Rem without reply. Wrote a letter and made a phone call. All without response.  Finally I mailed a registered letter and got an e'm in return.

"Dear Mr Dwight: I have been assigned to reply to your letter concerning a possible bullet failure. We have had previous reports of unsatisfactory perfermance with Rem CoreLokts.  We highly recommond Rem Super CoreLokts in factory ammunition"  Sincerely etc.

Hey, I wouldn't shoot factory ammo if they donated it.

I'll never use another Rem bullet to hunt with.  I still have most of a thousand of various sizes and cals. But, they'll be used up on paper, or trading material.

Wish you well,
George

[trotterlg]

Most likely, with bullets as in life, you get what you pay for.  Hornady bullets are in the economy area, just a step up fromt the no name bulk bullets. If you need real repeatable performance you need to buy premium.  For accuracy Berger is hard to beat, Barnes are good if they shoot in your rifle.  Don't shop by price, it will cost you a lot more.  Larry

[safetysheriff]

shooting up a real steep hill, and compounding the problem by shooting prone......even with good intentions........makes me think that you set yourself and your bullet up for failure.    at a better angle i believe you wouldn't have broken three ribs....possibly two....and that the bullet would have torn that elk a brand new_________!    why else a surface wound 9" long and 2" wide?   it was a very bad angle.   

i'd re-think the bullet failure in this case.    if using a .300 Win' mag on an elk at short range i'd recommend a heavier bullet to slow down impact velocity and to achieve better penetration.   that 180 gr' corelokt.....at a better angle......coming out of an '06 or a .308 would not  have any problem up close putting down an elk that is hit in the proper location.   

my sincere opinion,

ss'   

[wcf3030]

i'd re-think the bullet failure in this case.    if using a .300 Win' mag on an elk at short range i'd recommend a heavier bullet to slow down impact velocity and to achieve better penetration.   that 180 gr' corelokt.....at a better angle......coming out of an '06 or a .308 would not  have any problem up close putting down an elk that is hit in the proper location.   

my sincere opinion,

ss'   

I second that, not all 30 cal bullets are made the same. The original Cor-locs are a old design ment for non-mag vel.
I've used the 170gr cor-locs in my 30-30 for 20 years with one shot kills, on deer and 300lb boars. They have been around forever.
I'd use the 165gr in a 06.
Buy lots the price is only going up.

[Swampman]

I try my best not to use anything but Remington Core-Lokts.  I won't use any so called "premium" bullet after my last PA deer hunting trip.

Right now Remington has a rebate going that will give you $5.00 back on a box of 20.  There is a limit of 2 boxes per household.

[quickdtoo]

I have to agree with SS 100%, I'd also bet that more animals have been taken with Rem Core-lokts than all the rest of other bullets combined, they've been a standard for way too long for most folks that just hunt to fill their freezer.   I've killed several elk with 180gr Core-lokts from 30-06 and 308, never knew I had to have a premium bullet to do the job, they were all that were used for a loooooong time by my entire family, uncles, cousins, great uncles and granddad and his dad, the Core-Lokt has been made for over 60yrs, and for good reason, folks like em.

Tim

[georgeld]

IF that was an angled shot I'd be the first to agree.

But, it wasn't, it was a full side on shot up the steep hill, prone over a big rock, not the ground. Didn't think to put that part in. The rock was around a foot high.

No reason in the world for this one bullet to fail with a solid hit. The jacket and pieces of lead were
scattered throughout the skin tissue both sides of where it hit.
This was not a raking lengthwise shot like you're thinking it was. This cow was standing still at 90% angle to me.  The hit was good, only thing wrong was it hit center height of the body, within 4" of the shoulder.  No one can criticize a hit like that, full in both lungs if the bullet had penetrated like it should have and not blown up on the ribs.

Although this was my own first elk with the 300 win. At least 14 others have been killed up close in the timber by the other guys with the same batch of ammo.  I bought 500 bullets, this was one of them.
Some of those have holes through the ribs you could stick your head into on the exit side. Those are 30 feet to 75 yds in the timber with .300Wins, and '06. The '06 with the same bullet don't blow them up as much. Even those hit up close shots like these have had full penetration, two of them thru both shoulders and still made full penetration.

I fully agree there's probably been more game killed with corelokts than any other brand.  The guy comparing a 30/30 to a 300 win, you've got nothing to compare there pard.  I've killed 12 other elk and most of them were shot with 180gr Corelokts too, but, in '06.  I was concerned about the velocity causing it, but, not at 200 yds. That range no matter the angle it should have gone all the way through on a solid side on hit. That's the point I'm trying to make.

I've gone to Sierra's 200gr BTSP now, in fact I just loaded another 300 of them today.

Back in 1961 as a kid with little experience I shot a bull running by me at about 25 feet. Hit on the point of the shoulder with a 150gr Wasp Waist Herter's bullet in the '06. That one just made a huge bubble under the skin and pulverized the bone around half inch deep.  The hard to understand part is he never even sidestepped. About 30 yds further he went down from being hit between the shoulder blades from above  with a 300H&H 180gr.  The next shot blew his head apart. Wasn't much of a bull and no reason to keep the head, this was for meat only.  Killing him was the only goal that time.

George

[Swampman]

Blowing up animals heads has never been high on my agenda.  I think I'll stick with Core-Lokts.

[wcf3030]

 
Never mind.

[safetysheriff]

IF that was an angled shot I'd be the first to agree.

But, it wasn't, it was a full side on shot up the steep hill, prone over a big rock, not the ground. Didn't think to put that part in. The rock was around a foot high.

George

G'

it sounds like a very bad angle to me.    and i think that with the agreement from some of the others that maybe you should take another look at this scenario.     it's no wonder to me that you DIDN'T hit both lungs.   i could have saved one more sentence from your post re:  where the first hit took place.    the angle was poor..........

take care,

ss'   

[quickdtoo]

Shot a cow up a real steep hill @ 200yds from prone.  Hit maybe 6" high, but, just about right on the ribs for a double lung shot.

George, your own words tell the story, a real steep hill, so you're not seeing a full broadside view of the animal, more of a view of her undercarrriage, and your shot was 6" high ta boot, that scenario describes a very poor shot angle and placement to me, and impossible for a double lung hit unless you hit low on the downhill side, and then, a spine hit could be just as likely with good penetration, missing the offside lung entirely. As easy as it is for high velocity bullets to deviate from their course as shown by several tests of so called brush busting chamberings, a single rib would be all that's needed for that bullet to just make a grazing hit.

Tim

[handi243]

I have a article from the July 2007 of Rifle mag it is a story of John Nosler he was Moose hunting in British Columbia with a model 70 300 H&H mag he shot a bull at a couple of feet away and the bull just stepped forward and looked at John he ended up shooting the bull 4 times. After skinning the bull he found out the bullets had exploded on the MUD caked bull. This is one of the reasons he started making his own bullets if i can get my scanner to work i'll post it if not i may have to mail it to Tim.

[Swampman]

I shot a deer 4 times with the 7mm-08  (Noslers)1st shot broke both front legs, it was running about 120 yards away.   2 shots were right through the chest near the heart.  The last was right through the brain from a few inches.  It still took 10 seconds to die.  I sold the rifle and moved on.

[Graybeard]

Swampman do you have even a clue how silly that sounds? If you put four Noslers into the deer and it wasn't down it was your poor shooting NOT the bullets at fault. Nolser bullets ALL OF THEM have soft noses and are going to expand without fail. Comparing them to FMJ makes me wonder if you've ever actually shot their bullets or a deer either. Yeah I know pretty blunt talk but what you say is just plain none sense.

[quickdtoo]

Here we go again with another Swampman tale!    I suppose you were using Noslers in that 7mm-08 too!!

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,98795.msg1098255149.html#msg1098255149

[Swampman]

Same deer!  4 neat round 7mm holes in and out.  I've heard more than a dozen other hunters say the same thing about the Nosler BT.

[handi243]

I wasn't saying the nosler was best what i was saying was bullet sometimes fail even the best ones. I think it's about shot placement 1st, bullet construction 2nd, bullet dia. 3rd. (THAT IS MY OPINION)  

[quickdtoo]

I shot a deer 4 times with the 7mm-08  1st shot broke both front legs, it was running about 120 yards away.   2 shots were right through the chest near the heart.  The last was right through the brain from a few inches.  It still took 10 seconds to die.  I sold the rifle and moved on.

Probably my fault.  I just lost my taste for the cartridge after that.

So it really wasn't the 7mm-08 that was at fault, it was the Nosler BTs that were the fault?? I've read of BTs failing to penetrate, but never heard or read of them failing to open up, specially at close range, that's when they explode from some reports. I've not used them yet, but I have some 125gr loaded up to try in the 30-30 Handi, at $15 a box, they're very economical for lighter .30 cal bullet. The Reviews at Midway were very positive with the exception of those that ruined meat with them, just the opposite of what you indicate happened with the 7mm-08.

Tim

[fornra]

Well I'm not bashing swampman since I never talked to him before. My problem with Nosler bullets is they tend to be less accurate for me than other brands, with the exception of the their custom competition bullets which are the equal of Sierra in my opinion!
 The Ballistic tip does open rapidly and under penetration is a more likely problem with them.  Glenn

[flintlock]

I'm beginning to see why some folks don't eat deer.....

So tough you have to use a hammer and chisel to cut the gravy....

I'm glad I live in NC and can kill these little, tender deer we have here.....

[handi243]

Flintlock i am from nc also deer here don't wear bullet proof vest. What i'm saying is take the time to make the better shot. The corelokt has killed more deer than most people have ever seen they have been killed with everything from a .22 to a Mac truck. Ive seen 200lbs deer shot with a 243 never take a step and i have also seen 80-100 lbs. deer shot with 300 win mags run several 100 yards.

[Buckman]

If you were worried about bullet prices, come to Canada we pay 22.99/100 for those Rem core lock right now.

[fornra]

I know we don't have armor plated deer either, but I have had bullets blow-up on the near side of deer and fail to penetrate!
 I don't like the so called premium bullets either, at least not on deer since they may not expand quick enough.
 Those old corelocks are as good as it gets for most deer hunting.

[georgeld]

Hey Tim:

Even up a steep hill at 200yds an elk is STILL nearly 2' from brisket to whithers.

George

[Mac11700]

Which to use for all applications...?

Simple...use the one that gives you the best accuracy from your hand loads..

While there has been tons of deer killed with both of each manufactures low end bullets...for my self ...I would choose one of their bonded bullets to use...When your putting everything into perspective...the bullets are but a small fraction of the cost of a hunt now-a-days...so...why not give yourself a little bit of an edge ? No one is saying a person has to target shoot with the better bullets...since there is a real good chance you can find the cheaper ones in the same weight you can  practice with them...saving the good ones for the hunt...

I am not a fan of the core-locs...and truth be told...and I haven't gotten the accuracy I want from the Hornady's either ..so I use what works for me...I  have seen quite a few from both in various calibers not penetrate going thru a deer shoulder...but I have also seen a ton of deer taken cleanly with them as well...Quality control of the jacket thickness from lot to lot isn't the greatest on them...This is why the premiums cost more...

I say...pay the difference in price and get what has worked for you in the past...and save the cheap ones to target practice with...

Mac

[Swampman]

I avoid the expensive ones because they are the pits.  I use the cheap ones for hunting because they work 100% of the time.

[hellacatcher]

I have used both and see no big difference and like both.