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Offline Dondo7

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« on: June 07, 2003, 11:36:33 AM »
Bare with me as I'm a gunsmithing and woodwork illiterate.

I have a Rem 700 BDL which I would like to refinish make it look real nice and give it to my stepson for his B-day in Mid July.  Most Gunsmiths Turn arounds are longer than I have, so going to attempt myself.  I would like to give it kind of a redish tint but what about the white spcaer in the foearm. Can it be removed  or will the dye, dye it too ? I don't think that white spacer would look good with a redish semi gloss tint. Maybe I should look for a new semi finished stock and start there ?

Be easy If this whole question is idiotic... Thanks Steve

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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2003, 12:39:29 PM »
The spacer looks it's best white, so when you stain the wood just mask off the spacer and the black palstic grip cap and forearm tip. The Reminton M700 has a tough polyurethane finish that can be a bear to remove. Strippers strong enough to sut it are only the very harshest and I usually hate to put anything on a stock that might soak in and harm the metal at some point in time. Using a propane torch, just heat a small area of the stockenough to cause the finish to bubble or curdle. using a knife edge or a scraper scrape off the damaged finish. The heat from the torch will weaken the platic finish to the point it will scrape away easiliy if done while still a bit wam. Be very careful and DO NOT SCORCH the wood, as it will hard to remove the scorch mark. Don't worry if a little bit of the finish remains, the inial sanding will easily remove it and it won't clog the paper since the heat has altered the plastic finish's properties. The checkering may not be cut, it may be pressed. In either case it's very hard to clean the finish out of the checkering pattern. The easiest is to use acetone (a powerful solvent, use only outside) and a light wire brush. The acetone will soften the plastic over a bit of time and it may then be removed with the light wire brush. When the checkering is fairly clean, as clen as it's going to get, I mask it off with tape. Put a layer of masking tape over the checkering and rub it down well. Go around the outside edge of the pattern with an exacto knife to cut just the tape. Remove the tape on the outside of the pattern and press the edge of the remaining tape down well. Once the old finish is off I sand with a 1/4 sheet orbital sander (a block is fine) and 100 grit paper. This will remove the last vestiges of the destroy plastic finish and level the wood's surface. If there are dents in the wood they should be removed at this time. I steam the out. The ordital (or block) is then used with 220 grit paper. Until the woods surface is smooth and all the 100 grit paper scratches are removed. The last step is to sand with a block and 220 paper only moving the paper back and forth WITH the grain flow. This will eliminate all the scratches remaining on the wood. After the each block sanding step (100 grit and 220 grit) the tight areas are detail sanded with 'shaped blocks'. I use a set made of hard rubber and available from woodworker supply house but round shapes can be done using a correctly sized piece of rubber tubing. These are very helpful in the flutes at the nose of the butt stock. A shallow 'V' shape is handy for the back of the pistol grip and close in on the bottom of the buttstock near the back of the pistol grip. Very carefully go over the wood and sand away any scratches from the previous sanding steps. I stain the stock at this point using a solvent based stain from Brownells called 'Pilkington's - CLASSIC SPIRIT STAINS'. The pre-64 is a redish brown that I really find atractive. After the stain has dried I use 00 or 000 steel wool and polish the surface of the stock. This will even out the color and the stock will look almost as if it already was finished. It will in effect be polished by the action of the steel wool. Check carefully as any scrathces will really stand out now. But are still fixable. After the finish is applied they will show up even more and fixing them will be nearly impossible. I hope this helps. If your interested I'll explain my rubbed oil and wax finish. It's durable and easy to maintain and goes on fairly quickly!! Works with the poly finishes also.
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2003, 06:14:24 PM »
Hey Thanks Gunnut, That gives me the motivation to go at it with a stiff upper lip. I found that Remington sells 700 stocks so if I totally jack it up, I can always shell out $240 and get a new one.

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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2003, 03:21:59 AM »
Dondo :  If you do screw it up you will be able to find another one on ebay for alot less that the $240 and some of the oyher stockmakers will have stocks already made up to fit your action, but dont worry just take your time and follow gunnut69 instructions and it will go fine, I just refinished 7 of my own stocks this spring and what he told you are the norm, have fun :D   JIM

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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2003, 12:21:45 PM »
Just stay any from a few booboes and it'll all work out fine. Watch the sandpaper and don't let it changes the shape of the stock. Use backing blocks when sanding, you will round edges if you sand with your fingers. And most of all if there is any doubt, ask questions... easier to ask than to repair it later. Take off stocks are way cheaper than that. Usually less than $100!!  good luckfrom the gunnut69
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2003, 06:01:43 PM »
I would like to hear about the hand rubbed oil and wax for a stock as I am considering refinishing my 50 year old Mossberg and want to do it right.

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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2003, 08:49:24 AM »
Well the old winchesters used what amounted to a varnish finish which was rubbed out and waxed to add water resistance.  I duplicate it using TruOil and a carnuba wax.  The preperation steps are explained above and are at least 75% of the refinish process.  I like to apply the first coat of TruOil (thinned 50%) to the wood after heating the wood with a heat gun.  As the wood cools the thinned finish will be drawn into the pores. If the wood is unusually porous this step can be repeated.  I apply about 3 unthinned coats allowing drying between before cutting the finish back with 00 or 000 steel fur.  This is to completely fill the pores and may be repeated until there are no shiny spots remaining after the finish has been leveled with the steel wool.  Then oil should be applied in as thin a coat as is possible with steel wooling using steel fur(0000) every 3 applications.  This will build up finish on the outside of the stock and create the illusion of depth.  When the stock is finished to your taste(I like about 10-15 application) use the steel cur one last time lightly, to just knock down the shine.  Apply a coat of wax and allow to dry,(sometimes 2 coats are applied) before buffing to the desired sheen..  Any wax with carnuba will work, I alternate between a wax for marble table tops and a Frence finishing wax.. either is fine.
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