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Offline Flash

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Correct stuffing in Old Army
« on: September 06, 2007, 01:15:26 PM »
The only experience I had with Black Powder was a Parker Hale Zouave during the early 70's and recently a CVA  Mag Hunter so I'm a little rusty. I recently came upon a Old army that is unfired and I'd like to get a little info before shopping. I have some 777 for the CVA and was wondering if I could use it? I'm not a fan of using Crisco so I'd like to hear some opinions on wads too. To top everything off, the best caps for the gun as well. I've read somewhere that there is a loader for the cylinder when it's removed from the gun. Care to elaborate on this too? Any help will be appreciated.
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Re: Correct stuffing in Old Army
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2007, 03:00:17 PM »
My experience with 777 has not been good.  You are better off with black powder.  I have used the lubed wonder wads and have not had any problems with them.  You will need to experiment with caps.  You want a cap that fits snugly.  I can't comment on the loader.  I have not used one.  I built a loading stand for my ROA.

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Re: Correct stuffing in Old Army
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2007, 07:14:56 PM »
Smokepole Cowboy; 

Go to www.cascity.com  There are several threads in the Darksiders den and SCORRS, I think.

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Re: Correct stuffing in Old Army
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2007, 01:33:46 AM »
Flash,

I've used 777 extensively and find it to be both more powerful and easier to clean than black powder. Of the synthetics it is my favorite, but my overall favorite is the holy black. 777 is a good choice if real black is not available; it will not do any damage to your gun. Just remember to reduce your loads by 10 to 15 percent below the black powder load.

I also use lubed felt overpowder wads instead of grease in the chamber mouth and have been satisfied with them. They are a lot easier to use than grease.

Most ROA shooters use 25-35 gr fffg by volume real black powder with a .457 ball and No. 11 CCI caps. If you use Remington caps I understand that No. 10's will fit; CCI No. 10's do not fit an ROA with factory nipples. The gun is very rugged and will easily shoot full chambers (about 40 gr fffg, I believe) all day long, but accuracy will likely suffer with that max load.

Loading stand: there are two types that I've found acceptable, a cylinder loading stand, available from www.powderinc.com for about $55:


and a revolver loading stand for about $12 from several places, including The Possible Shop http://possibleshop.com/cap-ball-supplies.htm and Dixie Gun Works http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=7768:


The cylinder loading stand is overkill for an ROA; the revolver stand is sufficient, and isn't really necessary, although it does make loading a bit easier. The cylinder stand is only necessary for one gun, in my experience, the Uberti 1872 Colt SAA with the percussion cylinder, since it cannot be loaded with the cylinder in the frame.

The ROA is the finest percussion revolver made today, perhaps even the best that's ever been made. You have a fine weapon that should give you many years of excellent performance. Enjoy.

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Re: Correct stuffing in Old Army
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2007, 08:40:30 AM »
Thanks Mykeal. I actually miss my BP days with my Parker Hale and my cousin's cheap brass frame revolver. We would laugh like hell when the balls hit the target like super-sonic baseballs. I'm looking forward to it so much that I'm going to look at a limited run stainless version tomorrow. That gun will most likely come apart and hit the buffing wheel like this one did.
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Re: Correct stuffing in Old Army
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2007, 04:56:08 PM »
I picked a ROA about a year ago and got back into bp pistol; had one as a teen-a kit 45 that was a hoot and actually took a few rabbits.  I tried the conicals cast from a lee mold with pure lead.  Couldn't get good groups and shot high at 30 yds.  Went to 457 balls over wads and used 4f black powder (it's what I had) 30 and 35 grains both shot closer to point at 30yds and groups were impressive for one hand shots; all in 9 and some in center.  Now I gotta find some rabbits that'll pose for the shot.  I got stainless, clean up is a snap compared to the hard scrubbing I had to do with my old kit gun.