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Offline Bill Knapp

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44 Puma shooting very high
« on: September 09, 2007, 01:27:57 PM »
I've got a brand new Puma 44 mag that shoots about 14 inches high at 50 yards and I lowered the sight all the way down. I'm shooting Remington 240 sjhp.

Any ideas? I would like to lower my bullet weight and lighten the load for my 10 year old but will a light load shoot high as well with a lighter bullet?

I'm needing a good deer load that will get my within 2 inches or so instead of 1 foot plus.

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Re: 44 Puma shooting very high
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2007, 02:46:05 PM »
Need a taller front sight. Had the same problem with a Navy Arms Winchester Model 92 clone in 357mag. I put a post on the front, and the same Lyman apeture rear as is on my Winchester Model 94 3030.
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Re: 44 Puma shooting very high
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2007, 12:14:36 PM »
A lighter bullet may shoot lower.  There's two equations at work here, it's a max/min situation.  Generally speaking, a bullet fired at sedate velocities will shoot higher with a heavier bullet.  Stepping up the velocity with the same bullet may lower it some, sometimes.  At the other end, a lighter bullet will shoot lower, generally.  It has to do with bullet barrel time and the recoil of the rifle/pistol.  I found I couldn't shoot a 300 grain bullet from my Black Hawk.  It printed 15" high at 50 yard with the rear sight lowered all of the way.  You might be able to go with a 200 grain bullet and solve the sight problem, but you still have an issue if you want to hunt with the rifle.  I prefer heavy bullets over light ones.  I'd rather go with a 240 than a 200 grain bullet.  It may be you need to change to an aperture sight.  The advantages of an aperture are they not only give you a longer sight radius, they also put the target and sights in one plane which minimizes old eye problems if you want to shoot the Puma, but they also allow for more vertical adjustment over the barrel mounted front sight.  Personally, I prefer a Marble tang sight which has both click windage and elevation adjustments and is solid as opposed to a Lyman #2 which has no windage adjustment and tends have lateral flop.  Additionally, the tang will also give a longer sight radius than will a receiver mounted sight.  Even though you've been advised to get a taller front sight which you might still need, I'd still get an aperture for the reasons listed above.  In other words, get the aperture first and if it doesn't work, try a taller sight.  Either way, you still have the inherent accuracy provided by the aperture.

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Re: 44 Puma shooting very high
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2007, 07:38:07 PM »
Bill,
Same issue I had with mine.  I filed down the top wings of the rear sight; when I had that set up, I took an Xacto file and deepened the center slot.  To take the shine off, a little bluing, or Sharpie marker...
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Re: 44 Puma shooting very high
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2007, 10:16:42 AM »
All of you have given me some very good advice. My gun has the HI-VIZ sights and is ported so I do want to keep the sights the same if I can.

I bought some 200 grain XTP and Speer to try with a stout load of h110. I do see that the Remington load is kinda anemic as well so when I get the chance to shoot the old girl I'll post my results.

I bought this rifle for my 10 year old son to deer hunt with and I don't want to load it too heavy since he only weighs 60 lbs.

I know some guys have had great luck with the Sierra 215 g in carbines so I may have to try it.

The price of the 357 carbine jumped $130 this week or I would have just bought another one for him and kept the 44 for me. lol ;D

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Re: 44 Puma shooting very high
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2007, 05:15:10 AM »
Did you ever fix the issue?  How's the rifle working for you now?

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Re: 44 Puma shooting very high
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2007, 03:06:15 PM »
The range report is still 8 inches high at 50 yards with my best handload efforts. It groups fantastic however, about an inch.

Looks like it will be a higher front sight to get what I need. :'(