American Conservative Magazine on Ron Paul

[ncsurveyor]

Me too...I guess we'll just have to stay tuned in a little longer, and see who joins his camp. However you seem to be harnessed with the concept that his ideas are 'nutty' stuff. Sanity might seem like that in an insane world, at least in comparison to the lies and deceit we've endured for the last six years.

...TM7

Actually,  I hardly see reducing overseas involvement, bureaucratic overburden, and governmental intervention as nutty.  I'm all for it.  The reality of the situation is that we simply cannot shut these out of our society with the flip of a switch, nor can we expect these things to happen without the resistance of people who have made their living on this type of bureacracy.  American government is entrenched in itself.  People are used to it, and they will believe its extreme to make those changes.  Who first coined the term "revolution" as part of Dr. Paul's campaign?  If it wasn't revolutionary, it wouldn't be a revolution.

Nutty, extreme, revolutionary, sweeping  - just adjectives.

I would like some sort of realistic plan that it would work before I jump into something out of my comfort zone.

So why are you asking me to do it for you?

Fact is,.. you're not going to support Dr. Paul regardless of what you're shown,... so don't be trying to pull my leg,..k?

No, I am asking you to present your view in a non hostile manner.  You don't get it.

Here's a view for you:

Boot all illegal immigrants.
Withdrawal fluff support overseas
Create self sustainability for the country
uphold the 2nd amendment.

Whose view?  Mine for quite a few years.  If Dr. Paul feels that way, GREAT.  But he needs to prove that he can make this happen without tearing the country apart.  He has a larger agenda than these key points.  I also need to know the rest of his views are consistent with mine.  I am sure a lot of other people think the same way. 

I'll pick the one that agrees most with me.

and like the others have said, you can't read my mind, anymore than I would literally pull your leg.

[ncsurveyor]

Hmmm...supports gay marriage.  No thanks.

Fazak, thanks for the video.  Gave me just the information I needed.

Wow, figured he was a lock for the other way, never bothered to research that.

[Fazak]

Hmmm...supports gay marriage.  No thanks.

Fazak, thanks for the video.  Gave me just the information I needed.

No,... he just doesn't support the federal government being in everybodies business.

Dr Paul represents an originalist constitutional form of government.

Nobody who is alive today has ever experienced that type of government and it goes over some people's heads. They can't imagine a country free from governmental intrusion.

But some of us can understand and appreciate the idea of freedom.

If you're going to throw that away over some nonsense issue that shouldn't even be considered by the federal government,.. there's nothing left to say about it.

Just keep giving the government half of what you earn and never complain about anything it does again,... because you asked for it.

[jh45gun]

Hmmm...supports gay marriage.  No thanks.

Fazak, thanks for the video.  Gave me just the information I needed.

No,... he just doesn't support the federal government being in everybodies business.

Dr Paul represents an originalist constitutional form of government.

Nobody who is alive today has ever experienced that type of government and it goes over some people's heads. They can't imagine a country free from governmental intrusion.

But some of us can understand and appreciate the idea of freedom.

If you're going to throw that away over some nonsense issue that shouldn't even be considered by the federal government,.. there's nothing left to say about it.

Just keep giving the government half of what you earn and never complain about anything it does again,... because you asked for it.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HO HO Chuckle chuckle. Shoes on the other foot Laugh laugh the other day you were posting things about Thompson right and left that you disagreed with and to try to get me to defend him. Now it comes out he defends gay marriage and you are defending him for an issue that is and has been an issue in the politcal race. Sorry Fazak you cannot have it both ways. LOL LOL LOL

Face the facts unless your Boy gets more support and some good press he will not even win dogcatcher let alone the nomination.

[Fazak]

Hmmm...supports gay marriage.  No thanks.

Fazak, thanks for the video.  Gave me just the information I needed.

No,... he just doesn't support the federal government being in everybodies business.

Dr Paul represents an originalist constitutional form of government.

Nobody who is alive today has ever experienced that type of government and it goes over some people's heads. They can't imagine a country free from governmental intrusion.

But some of us can understand and appreciate the idea of freedom.

If you're going to throw that away over some nonsense issue that shouldn't even be considered by the federal government,.. there's nothing left to say about it.

Just keep giving the government half of what you earn and never complain about anything it does again,... because you asked for it.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HO HO Chuckle chuckle. Shoes on the other foot Laugh laugh the other day you were posting things about Thompson right and left that you disagreed with and to try to get me to defend him. Now it comes out he defends gay marriage and you are defending him for an issue that is and has been an issue in the politcal race. Sorry Fazak you cannot have it both ways. LOL LOL LOL

Face the facts unless your Boy gets more support and some good press he will not even win dogcatcher let alone the nomination.

You're one of the people who can't conceptualize freedom from governmental interference.

Marriage shouldn't be a concern of the federal government at all,... any type of marriage,.. and it shouldn't be a part of the national agenda.

The gay marriage thing is just something that's been thrown out there to be a distraction.

It don't mean nothing either way.

[Heavy C]

Hmmm...supports gay marriage.  No thanks.

Fazak, thanks for the video.  Gave me just the information I needed.

No,... he just doesn't support the federal government being in everybodies business.

Dr Paul represents an originalist constitutional form of government.

Nobody who is alive today has ever experienced that type of government and it goes over some people's heads. They can't imagine a country free from governmental intrusion.

But some of us can understand and appreciate the idea of freedom.

If you're going to throw that away over some nonsense issue that shouldn't even be considered by the federal government,.. there's nothing left to say about it.

Just keep giving the government half of what you earn and never complain about anything it does again,... because you asked for it.

The concept is not over my head - I get it.  However you have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.  His approach to letting things happen "as long as it doesn't hurt anything" doesn't work for me.  I also believe with our country being in the state that it is you have to have someone with conviction.  Lord knows we don't need more government, but we can't just pull the plug either.  You've done a good job selling your candidate, but I'm not buying.

The search continues for a viable candidate.

[Fazak]

Hmmm...supports gay marriage.  No thanks.

Fazak, thanks for the video.  Gave me just the information I needed.

No,... he just doesn't support the federal government being in everybodies business.

Dr Paul represents an originalist constitutional form of government.

Nobody who is alive today has ever experienced that type of government and it goes over some people's heads. They can't imagine a country free from governmental intrusion.

But some of us can understand and appreciate the idea of freedom.

If you're going to throw that away over some nonsense issue that shouldn't even be considered by the federal government,.. there's nothing left to say about it.

Just keep giving the government half of what you earn and never complain about anything it does again,... because you asked for it.

  Lord knows we don't need more government,

But you're going to vote for more anyway.

ok,..... have at it.

[Fazak]

,.. and as usual,.. you're going to get a lot more government than you bargained for,... and it's not going to stop getting bigger,... and the cost of running it is going to come out of your pocket.

[ncsurveyor]

If you're going to throw that away over some nonsense issue that shouldn't even be considered by the federal government,.. there's nothing left to say about it.

Gay marriage is more than a nonsense issue.  The fact is that some benefits (based on federal support) go to the spouse.  A lot of people, for religious and other moral issues don't like the fact that their tax money goes to the spouse in a same sex marriage, anymore than they want to pay for illegal immigrants.

[Fazak]

If you're going to throw that away over some nonsense issue that shouldn't even be considered by the federal government,.. there's nothing left to say about it.

Gay marriage is more than a nonsense issue.  The fact is that some benefits (based on federal support) go to the spouse.  A lot of people, for religious and other moral issues don't like the fact that their tax money goes to the spouse in a same sex marriage, anymore than they want to pay for illegal immigrants.

Yeah,... I don't want the federal government taking my money to fund that part of their welfare state,.. or any other part of it.

That's one very large reason that I support Ron Paul.

Government only has the money that it takes from the people,... it produces none.

So, any time the government is handing out money,.. it's money which has been taken.

That's called socialism,.. and it's what our government is,... I don't like Socialism.

[ironglow]

    A) We are the only ones with the TRUTH.

    B) Everyone else that doesn't agree, simply doesn't have the mental faculty to do so.

    C) Whenever they ask us difficult questions..that is just the "outsiders" way of attacking us.

    D) It must be the TRUTH..because all us "insiders" agree (circular reasoning).

    E) My leader is right when he's right  and when he appears wrong..it's "their" fault.

    F) Those who are outside our circle.."just don't get it"...probably not bright enough !



     ...All are common attitudes among cults and conspiracy theorists...LOL

[Heavy C]

Hmmm...supports gay marriage.  No thanks.

Fazak, thanks for the video.  Gave me just the information I needed.

If you're going to throw that away over some nonsense issue that shouldn't even be considered by the federal government,.. there's nothing left to say about it.

So why do you keep posting?  Gay marriage set aside I don't see any strong leadership qualities in Dr. Paul.  Hell he admits to not being able to lead his contemporaries in a debate to see if going into Iraq even made sense.( see You Tube video you posted. )  Ron Paul declaring himself a candidate for President doesn't make him a leader.  Reminds me of an old saying, "Just because you throw a pair of boots in the oven doesn't make them biscuits!"

[Fazak]

Hmmm...supports gay marriage.  No thanks.

Fazak, thanks for the video.  Gave me just the information I needed.

If you're going to throw that away over some nonsense issue that shouldn't even be considered by the federal government,.. there's nothing left to say about it.

So why do you keep posting?  Gay marriage set aside I don't see any strong leadership qualities in Dr. Paul.  Hell he admits to not being able to lead his contemporaries in a debate to see if going into Iraq even made sense.( see You Tube video you posted. )  Ron Paul declaring himself a candidate for President doesn't make him a leader.  Reminds me of an old saying, "Just because you throw a pair of boots in the oven doesn't make them biscuits!"

So pick the parasite of your choice and vote for them.

Except for Dr Paul,.. they're all cut from the same cloth.

[Heavy C]

Don't you fret Fazak I will.  At the end of the day it will more than likely be the lesser of two evils.  So IF it came down to Hitlary and Dr. Paul; then and ONLY then would I vote for him.  I doubt seriously that he would even get the Republican nomination.  At any rate you're not going to budge which is fine.  I have no compelling reason to change my mind either.  Agree to disagree, but I hope you still vote even if Ron Paul doesn't make it past the primaries.

[jh45gun]

Fazak for the past week you have been trying to pick Fred Thompson apart with every little issue you could in support for Ron Paul. Now that it comes out that he supports Gay Marriage which is a election issue just as any other issue that comes up in an election you poo poo it and say it does not count because Government should not get in this issue. Well guess what they already have. States and local Governments have tried to pass laws to allow it. Which has brought in the judical system to say wether its right or wrong to do so. SO like it or not it is an issue that could be addressed before this election is over. For you to pick apart other candidates but say any negative issue your man has does not count is BS. Gee I hear them skeletons rattling already I wonder how many more are in his closet. 

[Fazak]

Don't you fret Fazak I will.  At the end of the day it will more than likely be the lesser of two evils.  So IF it came down to Hitlary and Dr. Paul; then and ONLY then would I vote for him.  I doubt seriously that he would even get the Republican nomination.  At any rate you're not going to budge which is fine.  I have no compelling reason to change my mind either.  Agree to disagree, but I hope you still vote even if Ron Paul doesn't make it past the primaries.

The plain unvarnished truth is,... the Republican party has been so beaten down by the Bush administration that the great GOP hope is a former lobbyist/b grade TV actor who has said that he intends to do exactly what Bush has done in Iraq,...and Bush has an approval rating in the low 30's.

Dr Paul is the only possibility for the GOP this election.

Like I said,... you can nominate Fred,.. but you're going to get Hillary.

It won't even be close.

[Graybeard]

OK I sat and listened to the whole thing all 65 plus minutes of it. I came away with the impression that he's not reall FOR anything but is mostly just against EVERYTHING. At this time I still see no reason for me to support him. I'm not sure who I will eventually decide to support but I think it unlikely it will be him. I was NOT impressed.

[williamlayton]

It seems we have had this conversation lately.
Paul is a Constitutional Libertarian. The concerns are that he is largely non-thinking about the end results of a knee jerk reaction.
He is a good guy. A moral man. An Honorable man. A loyal American. All of these are great qualities for a president.
He is short sighted, extremely unmindful/unthinking about most issues which can have extreme end results and be bad. Chemo is good therapy but can kill you if carried too the end results of the treatment.
I would certainly vote for Ron over most of the offerings of the Democrats, especially Hilaryland, counting on checks and balances to level out the ideology.
FOLKS---We put soooooo much attention on the President and ignore the real culprit, the House and Senate----it is kinda like hunting a Rattle snake and being afraid of the rattlers and not the other end.
VOTE in all elections---and, well, as many times as possible--to quote 'ol George Parr.
Blessings
 

[Fazak]

OK I sat and listened to the whole think all 65 plus minutes of it. I came away with the impression that he's not reall FOR anything but is mostly just against EVERYTHING.

Well,... that's just not correct.

He's for personal responsibility and personal liberty,... for reeling the federal government back in to where it only has the power that the founding fathers intended for it to have.

Anyone who is waiting for Dr Paul to tell them how he will use the power of the presidency to cater to an agenda will be disappointed. His entire philosophy and the philosophy of the founding fathers is that the government should play a very limited role in the lives of the people.

Of course,.. that's about exactly the opposite of what we have today. The government has pushed it's way into about any aspect of the people's personal lives that you care to mention,... and they make the people finance every bit of their meddling.

Essentially, the people of America are oppressed by their government,.. and they're forced to pay the salaries of their oppressors,... and no other candidate except Dr Paul is even discussing putting an end to it.

[williamlayton]

TM7
I can agree with you--too a point.
His visions, IMO, do not carry too the end results. Very short sighted visions.
Blessings

[williamlayton]

FAZAK
What the government is supposed too do is protect the general good of the people.
I would agree that our governments history over the last 50+ years has been removed too far too the left--on that the congregation say "AMEN."
BUT--and it is a big BUT-- the other direction is very akin to anarchy, if, it is carried too the end results.
Blessings

[Fazak]

BUT--and it is a big BUT-- the other direction is very akin to anarchy, if, it is carried too the end results.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[ncsurveyor]

BUT--and it is a big BUT-- the other direction is very akin to anarchy, if, it is carried too the end results.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

?  No offense, but there is a substantial difference between reduced government and anarchy.  I've read some of your other posts where you are concerned for the well being of your children.  Do you really think anarchy is a viable option for their benefit?  Or are you just stirring the pot?  Seriously.

[Heavy C]

BUT--and it is a big BUT-- the other direction is very akin to anarchy, if, it is carried too the end results.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

That's because it is.   

You've become so infatuated with Ron Paul that you see no other alternative.  I for one can at least admit that there must be a better option out there.  For all we know someone else might throw their hat in the ring.  What I do know is that of the candidates in place right now, Democrat or Republican, none have really caused me to be 100% convinced that they are the person I want to vote for.  Early on I was in support of Fred Thompson and I'm glad he is finally officially in the race, but the fact that he took so long was suspect to me.  There's only so much exploring to do - you're either in or you're out.  Now we get to put him under the microscope with everyone else. 


Mr. Layton has it right.  It's the members of Congress that we have to keep in check.  There is where we need to get lots of new blood in to rock the establishment.

G.B. - Well said!

[jh45gun]

Heavy C Thompson said on TV that it has been customary ( or at least it used to be)  that most candidates say they are going to run after Labor Day. This year most all the candidates jumped the gun and declared very early. Thompson decided he would not do that, but instead did some investigative stuff to see if he thought he would have support and a chance. Smart thinking I feel. Also he said with the media today and the internet a candidate should not have to rake in large amounts of money a year in advance to get their message out. On that I agree too. Media coverage and the internet and going out and meeting the public should get the job done with out lots of high priced ads and mudslinging attacks.

[jh45gun]

The internet is very usefull for getting out information whether it be from the Gov Fed,State, or local or from a Candidate or any other source of info. That said there also is a lot of  BS out there with goofy websites and just plain bad info it is up to us to decipher what is good and what is bad. Most legit websites are ok but their are some off the wall ones too that either take stuff and has a grain of truth and they twist it or just plain out lie. We have all fallen for the emails foks send out that sound true or just have a grain of truth but have been distorted or twisted to change it which therefore makes it corrupted.

[ironglow]

  ..GB echoes what I thought after the debate..RP means well..but he is far out..

   I heard him speak of many things he was AGAINST or would ABOLISH..some of those things defend our way of life.

   I did not hear him say what he was for or even how he would handle sticky problems..

   Sorry Fazak..he's a non-starter in my book..

   
  A couple thoughts to remember:

   GWB wants to WIN the conflict in Iraq..then bring the troops home..his approval rating..about 30%.

  The new Democrat controlled Congress wants to "cut & run"..Congress' approval rating..about 14%.

[williamlayton]

Anarchy is a void---A black hole, waiting for something too fill the void. That would end up being the strongest standing and that in turn could end up being a military tribunal.
This of course is, IMO.
A balanced government is our best hope--one on center, not right or left. I know, GOOD LUCK on that one.
Ron Paul, again--IMO, is just not clear headed enough to handle the job.
He is smart, no doubt, conservative and well meaning, but, he can't possibly make it work. This is not a philosophical government we operate, though the liberals just can't make it work either---and, God knows they wear rose colored glasses, sit in the Lotus and hummmm--but that has not gotten the job done either.
This country can't and won't commit to a radical movement and come out on the other side intact.
Blessings

[jh45gun]

Ron Paul is going to start coming off as a nutcase if he starts in with using the word Revolution. That is a strong word, one that there is no reason to even come up with such a nonsensical ideal, whether it be for real or figuratively. The Government may not be perfect in the eyes of some but it is a damn site better than what most countries have.