Do Lever action rifles have control round feed?

[Dixie Dude]

Just out of curiosity, I was wondering if any lever action rifles have control round feed?  I know if you cycle the action all the way open and all the way closed, you usually never have a problem with jams.  I think Browning BLR's probably would not since they are not tube fed. 

[SHOOTALL]

the round comes up , the bolt pushes it forward into the chamber as the extractor snaps over it ! the cartridge is free on the carrier for a period of the operation if you turn the gun upside down the cartridge will fall out , so i guess it ain't due to that little bit of time the cartridge is not being controlled !
a bolt gun will work upside down with controlled round feed ! the round feeds up behind the extractor before the round is striped from the magazine and the nose of the round enters the chamber before being released from the mag. in  a controlled operation !

[Dixie Dude]

So, working any gun upside down and the cartridge doesn't come out, it is controled?  I didn't know if Browning's was or not.  Will have to try that. 

[SHOOTALL]

not sure if that's the way with all guns but the Winchester 94 works that way , a marlin maybe hold to side . the idea of CRF is the round is always controlled , guided from mag to chamber . can't get out of alignment and fail to feed ! 94's can't make that claim !
good ?

[Rangr44]

No, they all don't work that way.

Winchester Model 1892 lever action's, for instance - and all clones based on the design - have cartridge guides screwed into the inside right & left receiver walls, that guide cartridges during feeding from the tube mag to the chamber.

[SHOOTALL]

but does it hold it ? i don't have a 92 ,

[Graybeard]

Short answer: NO.

[Blackhawk44]

As GB said, no.  No factory stock levergun has the round held by the extractor from magazine to chamber, making them are all "push fed".  Some push rounds from the carrier (all Marlin & Win tube mags) while others push rounds directly from the magazine (BLR, Sav 99, Win 88,95, Sako Finnwolf). 

[John Y Cannuck]

Certainly not in the Mauser sense anyway. However, a top eject '94 may well feed cartridges upside down. I've not tried it.
The cartridge guides hold  the cartridge in line fairly well,and once the cartridge has started to enter the chamber, I doub't it will fall out. They certainly control the cartridge a lot better than many push feed bolt guns. The cartridge is never truely loose in the open action.

[BigJakeJ1s]

There are two primary purposes of a "controlled round feed" system. First is as has been stated, to control the cartridge from the magazine to the chamber. Many Remmy 700's will reliably feed upside down and/or sideways, but that's only the first part.

The German army also wanted a feature such that the rifle would not double feed and jamb if short stroked. If a push feed rifle round is not fully chambered, the extractor does not grab the rim, and cannot extract it. If the bolt is retracted again (because the soldier in fear of his life forgot he already (almost) cycled the action once), another cartridge is stripped from the magazine, and shoved into the back of the first one. If it happens just wrong, the rear bullet can strike the front cartridge's primer, causing an out of battery ignition (very bad). Even if it does not cause out of battery ignition, it is a tricky (in the heat of battle) situation to clear, since the loose rear cartridge is not aligned with the bolt/extractor, and cannot be ejected from the action. One has to partially retract the bolt (not far enough to strip another round, but far enough to open the action for the rear cartridge to fall out), then turn the rifle on its side to dump out the rear cartridge. Then, without retracting the bolt any further, close the bolt on the forward cartridge (in the chamber) where it can be fired or extracted/ejected as normal.

Since controlled round rifles have the cartridge captive on the bolt face from the moment they leave the magazine, this double-feeding situation cannot happen no matter what the soldier does (or doesn't) do in the heat of battle.

Andy

[John Y Cannuck]

Good description, I had an out of battery ignition many years back with a bolt action Lakefield Mossberg shotgun that had a faulty sear. Believe me, the experience is one you'll never forget.

[SHOOTALL]

The rem 700 will feed most of the time if cycled fast enough , but not always ! the win. 94 may sometimes and others not , alot depends on cal. , my 7x30 has a death grip and the 44mag gets squirrely right side up !  the marlin golden 39a may be controlled round feed , the round is held in place by a spring loaded piece , need to see if it comes up behind the extractor or it snaps over !
Like most things related to guns , nothing holds true all the time , somewhere along the way some obscure gun may have been made !

[RugerNo3]

The Marlin M62 center fire action is a controlled feed action. The bolt block has twin extractors to grip the round as it pops up from the magazine. The rimfire versions may be similar, but I don't have one so am not sure.