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Offline wtroger

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Reloading Presses
« on: September 12, 2007, 08:01:33 AM »
If this has been asked and answered previously I apologize there doesn't appear to be a search on this site.
I am going to buy a new reloading press. I will be in the Rock Chucker class of press, O frame cast Iron capable of sizing the larger caliber brass. The question is is there any real difference between Rock Chucker, Lyman Crusher II,
Redding Boss and the Lee Classic. I want a strong press that can handle the Ultra mag cases without issues.The Lyman is just a bit cheaper and from reading the specs it seems to be on par with the Rock Chucker. And I haven't really been able to find any articles giving a head to head comparison.
Any and All opinions appreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2007, 08:19:33 AM »
Another option is the Hornady Lock and Load press. It has bushing that allow you to change dies making reloading easier. A good press will run about 100.00 and kits run 250.00. You will also need a case preparation tool set and digital caliber to measure COLs.

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Re: Reloading Presses
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2007, 09:56:21 AM »
I'd go for the Lee Classic Cast press and call it good, I'm not one to spend more money than I need to tho, at less than $80 it's an excellent press, is capable of 50BMG. ;)

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Re: Reloading Presses
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2007, 10:52:13 AM »
.375 H&H is pretty long for the Rock Chucker. It will handle even longer cartridges, but not much longer.  I don't know how the others compare.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2007, 10:58:22 AM »
If you want just the press.  Check on ebay for a used one. They go for dirt cheap from guys that barely used them and decided to get rid of them.  I have an RCBS Rock Chucker that I bought new as a kit.

It's been great, but after 5 years and my free time kept disappearing and I wanted to get a progressive press.  If I were to do it all over again I'd just buy the dillon 550B press and get their video.  I watched 2 or 3 different reloading videos before I ever even started.  The videos cover how to set it up, and make it function.  Worst case, just try to look up videos on Google video and you'll see the differences in action.

All that being said if you still want a single stage press my rock chucker never let me down.  I can't say anything about the others because I never bought or used one.  I used to load for a 300 RUM on my rock chucker without any problems.  Actually that's the caliber that got me started reloading in the first place.

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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2007, 11:01:42 AM »
the rock chucker plus will do 50BMG so it is big , now alot of presses are good ! i have had parts break on rcbs products most because of something i did ! they always replace it NQA ! no charge for shipping ! that means alot , lee will sell you replacement parts and charge shipping ! Reading , never had anything break in spite of misuse !
I have a 2 year old RCP , a Lyman from the 1950's , a Pacific from the 1970's and a Hornady that's about 10 years old !
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2007, 11:24:13 AM »
The Rock Chucker seem to be the press that other compare to. The Layman I think is just as good. As far as Lee goes I`ve had trouble with every piece of Lee equipment I`ve ever owned except the old one you hammered ever thing in q and out of. I use my reloading alot. I`ve loaded over 2,500 rounds of .223 in the last couple of months plus over 1,000 of other rounds, and Lee just don`t hold up to the volume I load.

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Re: Reloading Presses
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2007, 03:28:36 PM »
 I don't understand why you guys are putting Lee equipment down, I've used RCBS for many years but when I tried Lee I was hooked!
 Now my bench has a Lee 4 hole turret press and a Dillon 550B , I gave away my RCBS presses because I just found something better and as for Lee  also much less expensive.
 I can destroy any press but with a little common sense it won't happen. If something binds up you check to see what it is , and if you lube the cases properly it most likely will not happen in the first place.  Glenn

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Re: Reloading Presses
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2007, 03:42:50 PM »
I have had an old Rock Chucker for years and it has severed me well. Not only that, but it has loaded a lot of rounds and accurate ones at that. I want to get a new press, but just can't seem to decide I can get one any better, unless it costs an arm and leg. I really would like to get the Redding T7, but WOW, they cost a bunch and extra turrets are around $50 each :o :o :o With that said, even though I have not tried a Lee Classic Cast Iron press, I would think they would hold up well. I have one of the cheap Lee presses that cost around $20 but I only use it for knocking out primers and pulling bullets. I do not think it would hold up very well, if you really started to put the pressure to it. If you are going to get a Lee press stick to the cast iron ones. ;)
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2007, 03:54:20 PM »
I forgot to add; that the reason I got the cheap Lee press, is because I really, really do not like the way my Rock Chucker handles primers. Maybe the new ones do better, but mine takes a tray and half of the primers end up on the floor. >:( I am happy now, but I did fix the Lee press so it would be reliable. There is a hole that the primers fall into and then out the bottom. Once in a while a primer would not go into the hole and drop on the floor. I found that there was some casting flash in the bottom of the hole that prevented the primer from dropping in to the hole some times. I took a rat tail file and smoothed it out in this area and now all is well, it does a real good job now. I have it mounted above the table 1 1/2" and put a small box lid under it to catch primers and it does real well now. ;D
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Re: Reloading Presses
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2007, 04:19:42 PM »
I bought one of the first Lee Classic Cast Presses that came out and it has proven to be a great reloading press. I would highly recommend this press to anyone looking for a good press.
I'm not just partial to one brand, me progressive is an RCBS Pro 2000 and it's a great press but for a good single stage press I'd go with the Lee Classic Cast.

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Re: Reloading Presses
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2007, 08:10:27 PM »
I just bought a Lyman Orange Crusher from Lyman for $65.  It was called a blemished model.  I could not find a scratch on it.  IMO that price was a steal.  Go to their web site.  Tom.
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Re: Reloading Presses
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2007, 12:41:24 AM »
ive got a rock chucker and an orange crusher and to be there about equal in all aspects. Id go with the rcbs though as there service dept is hands down better then lymans.
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Re: Reloading Presses
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2007, 02:29:01 AM »
Otto:  "I really, really do not like the way my Rock Chucker handles primers. Maybe the new ones do better, but mine takes a tray and half of the primers end up on the floor."

Ditto.  My Rock Chucker is so aggravating about tossing out spent primers I bought the little Lee "Reloader" press and a dedicated de-cap die for the same reason as you; it works good too! 

Most comparisons of how great the RC press is pits Lee's light alum alloy presses against the cast iron of the RC.  That's so unfair it's dumb!  Compare the RC to a Classic Cast, Orange Crusher, etc, and there is NO DIFFERENCE in durability but Lee's primer catcher works, its lever is fully adjustable and it's made in the USA as well as being much less expensive. 

Paying so much more for RCBS at first just to get "free" parts after breaking something has an easy fix:  Don't break it!
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2007, 02:39:54 AM »
otto , got to ask if the lee lets the primers fall to the floor , and only half fell to the floor  with the RC , what did ya gain ? i love my RC !
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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2007, 02:47:10 AM »
I ordered the Lee Classic cast the price was right and I also do not care for the way Rcbs handles the spent primers I have to vacuum the floor after every use. I used a lee Challenger for years and it has loaded 1000's of rounds but alas  I didn't keep the pivot points lubed so it got a lot of slack. I replaced the parts and it works fine now but I have started playinng with the bigger rounds and wanted to be able to ensure full length resizing without a lot of effort. The Rock Chucker is a fine tool only this one doesn't belong to me it is my brother in laws and he will start his fall reloading shortly so I needed to find a replacement. After seeing a Lee handling a 50 BMG I figured it would do the 338 ultra mag that we are playing with right now. And the LEE is 40 bucks cheaper. The challenger is pretty much relegated to bullet seating and pistol rounds and it will do that job just fine.

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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2007, 06:53:10 AM »
otto , got to ask if the lee lets the primers fall to the floor , and only half fell to the floor  with the RC , what did ya gain ? i love my RC !

I think you need to reread both of my posts. I like my Rock Chucker too. I do not like the way it handles primers, the cheap Lee does much better...Please reread both of my posts. I was thinking about getting a Redding T7 because I think it is hands down the best turret press out there. I was thinking about upgrading to a turret for convenience of the turret, but the cost is almost too prohibitive with questionable gain in quality of my reloads or durability. Did I mention to reread my posts? I do not think the RCBS is junk, I have used it for 25 years and it is still working great, I just do not like the way it handles spent primers. If you read the post by wncchester, he found the same thing I did. I bought the cheap Lee so if it did not work out, I was not out much money, but it did work out. I would not even think of using it to size cases, not even seating bullets. If you do not mind picking up or sweeping up primers off of the floor, then that is your business, personally I have better things to do.

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Re: Reloading Presses
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2007, 10:59:55 AM »
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got to ask if the lee lets the primers fall to the floor
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I got a Lee classic cast a year or so ago -

am using a plastic gallon jug to hold the spent primers (got about an inch and a quarter collected so far) -

I don't think it's lost one on the floor since I early on discovered that it wanted a priming arm kept in the ram.

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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2007, 02:51:50 PM »
The RC was the gold standard in single stage presses for a very long time. But RCBS just sat on it. They didn't improve it. Along comes Lee, and increases the size of the ram and hollows it out for spent primer handling. Then they make the toggle totally adjustable for right/left handed use, angle of the handle, length of the stroke, and even length of the handle. And then they have the audacity to sell it for less.

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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2007, 05:42:53 AM »
 My Lee turret is one of those cheep 4 hole alloy models but it re-sizes 338 Win mag and 45-70 with no difficulty at all.
 It will when used with Lee collet dies load some awsomely accurate 308 and 223 ammo for my heavy Savage varmint rifles

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« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2007, 09:48:16 AM »
fornra check out the RCBS rock chucker plus ! left or right hand and catches the primer , mine works great and will load up to 50BMG !and best service I have experienced in the industry !
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« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2007, 10:58:16 AM »
fornra check out the RCBS rock chucker plus ! left or right hand and catches the primer , mine works great and will load up to 50BMG !and best service I have experienced in the industry !

I am always glad to see someone enthusiastic about a product ;D I too have found that RCBS has quality products and service is very good. When I have chosen a RCBS product I have never been disappointed other than the primer thing, but I took it in stride and came up with a fix, that I knew RCBS could not take care of. I do not buy exclusively RCBS products. I started out that way, but age and experience has taught me that some times there are products that just do it better or just as well for less money. I always like a bargain. If that bargain is Lee, so be it. I have several of their products. Their hand primers are one of the best on the market. I think their case trimming system works great for little money, if you can get it in the caliber you are loading for. I really, really like their collet neck sizing dies. I think they are the best, even better than the bushing type neck sizers. Personally I do not think the alloy type presses hold up as well as the cast iron ones. The cheap one I have chatters on the the down stroke and feels very loose in the linkage pins. It not only looks cheap, it feels cheap too. But so far it has done what I bought it for. The RCBS feels as solid today as the day I bought it, very smooth too. I have read that linkages break quite often on the alloy Lee presses. I only want to buy something once. I am not a guy to buy something and 10 years later when it is worn out buy another. BTW SHOOTALL do you work for RCBS, Speer or CCI?
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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2007, 04:39:53 AM »
NO ! as a matter of fact i started with a Pacific press , in the 70's , next a Lyman was given to me 1950's vintage , a Hornady progressive in the early 90's and last year an RCBS ! the lee hand primers are junk as far as I'm concerned I have 2 both broke and they charged to replace and ship parts ! I now have 3 RCBS hand primers and yes they have had Issues but every time the replacement part comes free of charge ! as far as case trimmers i like and use the lee !
I have one set of lee dies ( out of about 30 or so sets ) its 9mm and works ok , I like Reading dies for most reloading never had one give trouble ! have had a couple broken parts on RCBS dies but again the parts came free of charge !
I like you find many products from different companies make up my bench(s) !
But all things equal i will buy the product that the company will stand behind first every time ! And my experience with lee has been less than stellar !
as a side note , when i had a problem with a RCBS primer tool i called them and they were going to take care of it ! The rep asked if i had any other needs so i had had a problem finding a seating punch that would damage a bullet i was using they said send a bullet and they would make me one ! that's service !
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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2007, 06:30:16 AM »
We have gotten off topic a little here. When I referred to the Lee hand primer I meant it seated the primers with better feel than any other primer. Not that they held up better. Many bench rest shooters use them because they can feel the primer seat and can seat them more consistently than any thing else. I personally have a RCBS hand primer. What I like about the RCBS is it uses standard RCBS shell holders and it seems to be built pretty well. What I do not like about it is that you can crush a primer if you are not careful because it is too powerful. If you have not tried a Lee collet neck sizer, you are doing yourself a disservice. They are excellent. They are not finished the best, but they make straight necks and you do not have to use any lube what so ever with them.

wtroger - Sorry about the hi-jack. I still say get a good quality press, you will not be sorry you did. I have no personal experience with any press except for the RCBS Rock Chucker. It is an excellent press with the exception of the primer thing which to me is minor. I have not even looked at a newer one and they may have redesigned a better way to handle them by now. The press will do any thing you want within reason. You are not going to be able to load 50 BMG, because the opening is too small, you are not going to be able to swedge jacketed bullets with it either, but I do not think there is a press made out there that will unless you buy a specialty press and pay some big bucks for it. When I say a quality press I mean a cast iron one. The brand you decide on should be based on features, service and of course price. I personally think you should start with a single stage press. This is to learn the ins and outs of reloading. If later you decide to get a faster type, turret or progressive then you will know what you want and you can still use the "old" press for special jobs. I still am using my "old' press and probably will for a while yet. We could argue all day long and into tomorrow about what the best one is, everyone has his favorite. A lot of times people argue that what they have is the best, based on the fact that is what they chose to begin with and will not admit that they could have done better or know any thing else. As far as service RCBS is one of the best. I broke a bullet punch on one of my bullet seaters and they promptly replaced it free, even tho it was my fault. I have not needed their service for my press and that is what I expect, no service needed, thank you. I would expect that if you buy any quality press you will find the same thing, no service needed. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Re: Reloading Presses
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2007, 07:00:41 AM »
Redding makes what they call the BIG BOSS press. Opening is just a bit bigger, the main difference is how they beefed up the frame. Thicker and much stronger than either their regular ''BOSS'' press or the ROCK CHUCKER. Redding doesn't recommend it for the 50BMG. My opinion is, if you can afford a 50BMG, by a dedicated press just for that cartridge. My 2cents.  gypsyman
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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2007, 07:05:29 AM »
I ordered the Lee Classic cast the price was right and I also do not care for the way Rcbs handles the spent primers I have to vacuum the floor after every use. I used a lee Challenger for years and it has loaded 1000's of rounds but alas  I didn't keep the pivot points lubed so it got a lot of slack. I replaced the parts and it works fine now but I have started playinng with the bigger rounds and wanted to be able to ensure full length resizing without a lot of effort. The Rock Chucker is a fine tool only this one doesn't belong to me it is my brother in laws and he will start his fall reloading shortly so I needed to find a replacement. After seeing a Lee handling a 50 BMG I figured it would do the 338 ultra mag that we are playing with right now. And the LEE is 40 bucks cheaper. The challenger is pretty much relegated to bullet seating and pistol rounds and it will do that job just fine.

I guess ya'all missed that part. ;) Good choice WT, you'll be happy with the Classic Cast press.

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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2007, 07:10:54 AM »
Hate to break it to ya but the rock chuck er plus comes with the the correct size opening for 50 BMG as noted before and a bushing installed for standard die sets ! it does a good job with primers , not perfect but OK !
and if you haven't used Redding bench rest dies you should treat yourself on the next set you buy , you will truly see a well finished die set and excellent results !
Someone said earlier that RCBS hadn't up graded , maybe they mistake the R C + for the old model !
But lets  face it there are many good presses out today so pick your favorite , just check the warranty before you buy !
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« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2007, 07:12:48 AM »
NAW ! the extra post may help someone else or one of us !
besides one can always send it back and try another !
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« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2007, 08:20:01 AM »
Tim - I knew he had made his choice and a good one at that - then I got way off of what he was trying to accomplish and then I slept a couple of times and I forgot ::) ::) ::)

wtroger - Good choice on the press, I do not think you will be disappointed. Like I said, after I got way off into space, I think any of the quality cast iron presses will serve you well. The Lee Classic was not an option when I got mine. When I got started I had no one that could tell me any different. All I heard was get RCBS from the only person that knew anything at all and he did not know that much. Thankfully I was not pointed way off into left field and it turned out OK.
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« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2007, 10:26:37 AM »
Big Brown dropped it off last night I got it set up didn't get to try it Man it is a whooper compared to the old RCBS it should do just fine. It was very nicely finished.