crude Ring?

[Striderman]

Hey everyone sorry if this has been addressed before, but I'm new to this.  I have an Omega and have shot both 777 pellets and powder.  I wounder where is this crude ring everyone talks about.  is it forming one the end of the breach plug or is it in the barrel.  I have not noticed anything out of the ordinary when shooting.  I do clean between every shot with #13 solvent and maybe this is cleaning it out ?? any info would be great.

Thanks

[Redhawk1]

You will not notice by cleaning between shots as you do. But the build up is in the area where the powder or pellets sit.  Some times it is not a issue if you don't use hot 209 primers or a 25 ACP case with a small rifle primer. I use bore butter and it help a lot with not getting the crud ring.

[Striderman]

Thanks Red Hawk.  when do you use the bore butter after cleaning?.  When I purchased my omega I called tc and the guy told me i did not need to use it, but i see alot of people now use it saying it seasons the barrel?

[Redhawk1]

When I get any gun that I will shoot BP or a sub in, I clean the gun and put bore butter in the barrel after cleaning. When I go to the range to shoot, I don't swap out the bore butter, I just load it up and shoot. I use bore butter on the sabot when I load the gun. After 10 shots I swab the bore and run a patch with bore butter on it. When I get home after a day at the range, I clean my BP guns and then put bore butter in the barrel after I finish cleaning.

I don't have a problem with the crud ring and I feel the bore butter seasons the barrels.

[Striderman]

thanks red hawk guess i will get some bore butter. 

[encore3006]

Striderman,

I heard the same recommendation from the T/C service department after I sent them a 209x50 pistol barrel with corroded threads in the breech end of the barrel. I had purchased it used for a low price (I discovered why!). The previous owner may have used bore butter to lube the threads for storage or applied absolutely no protection after a not so thorough cleaning. The T/C gunsmith said that T/C would not like to have him say this but, he did not recommend bore butter and added that I should use Hoppe's oil and to keep the threads lubricated.

I now use #13 and bore butter when actively using my muzzleloaders. When I store them I clean them out with hot soapy water, dry, and apply oil to the barrel and lubricate the threads with thread lube. I also leave the breech plug off or the nipple off to allow air to move through the barrel. When I use a muzzleloader after removing it from storage, I clean the barrel with hot soapy water, dry it, and apply bore butter.

I would experiment with bore butter on your sabots. Some sabots may not care for any bore butter.

If you read the label on #13 or bore butter it will state it is "food grade rated" or "FDA food grade rated". In other words, you can eat the stuff. I have not verified this but I was told that McDonald's uses the same stuff to clean their grills. I now use it to clean our coated pots and pans and it does a great job. Something about storing food in my barrels that does not seem O.K.

[Redhawk1]

encore3006, that T/C gunsmith does not know what he is talking about. Bore butter will not cause corrosion. Also as far as the breech plug, I use high temp shooters choice lube on the threads.

If bore butter was bad, I would not use it in my $2500 Shiloh Sharps. I use it all the time in my Shiloh Sharps, after I clean the barrel, I run a patch of break free down the barrel followed by a patch with bore butter on it, I do the same in my T/C Encore's, Hawkens and Renagade. Never in 20 years have I had a corrosion problem. I also use it in all my BP guns.

[encore3006]

Redhawk1,

After cleaning, you are using break free followed with bore butter. What would happen if you applied bore butter ONLY after cleaning the barrel with hot water?

If you shoot your firearm frequently there is no issue one way or the other as any corrosion would be interrupted.

I purchased a Renegade from a man who had not shot it in 20-years. He had used bore butter in the barrel and hung it over the fireplace. The exterior condition of the barrel was near perfect. The bore looked like it had been at the bottom of a lake.

I am weary of using just bore butter in a barrel that will be stored for an "extended" period of time. Since revising my cleaning and storage practices I have reduced and/or almost eliminated the crude ring that Striderman was referring to in his initial post.

[Redhawk1]

After 20 years even a gun in cosmoline will get some rust. I store my Shiloh Sharps for about a year with bore butter, but not just bore butter, I apply a some break free as well.

[1marty]

I' guess I'm the only one who doesn't use bore butter on my omega. At the range I simply swab with a spit patch and it shoots 1 inch groups consistently with two 777's and power belts 295 grain. when I get home I run  water  through the barrel, clean the nipple with water, put choke grease on the threads and put a light coating of oil in the barrel.

[alsaqr]

"Since revising my cleaning and storage practices I have reduced and/or almost eliminated the crude ring that Striderman was referring to in his initial post."

Same here.  It is important to remove all traces of lube from the bore before loading the gun.  i swab the bore every two shots with a patch saturated with Windex with vinegar followed by two dry patches.   My Encore absolutely will not shoot worth a darn with a dirty barrel when using 777:  So i swab the bore after every shot.    No more crud ring problem. 

[Redhawk1]

If your Encore does not shoot well with a dirty barrel, what do you do if you need a follow up shot?

I can shot my Encore 10 to 15 times before I swab the barrel and my accuracy will not change.

As far as the crud ring, it has nothing to do with how you clean your barrel, but how hot your ignition source is with triple seven. The crud ring developers right where the powder was sitting.

[alsaqr]

"If your Encore does not shoot well with a dirty barrel, what do you do if you need a follow up shot?"

i have not needed a followup shot in the past ten years until last year when i shot a deer low through both shoulders.  Fired a coup de grace shot from five yards. 

"As far as the crud ring, it has nothing to do with how you clean your barrel, but how hot your ignition source is with triple seven. The crud ring developers right where the powder was sitting."

This is not my experience at all.  i always use Winchester shotgun primers.   

[Keith Lewis]

I' guess I'm the only one who doesn't use bore butter on my omega. At the range I simply swab with a spit patch and it shoots 1 inch groups consistently with two 777's and power belts 295 grain. when I get home I run  water  through the barrel, clean the nipple with water, put choke grease on the threads and put a light coating of oil in the barrel.

You are not the only one. I do not use Bore Butter as I prefer to use real petroleum based oil for storage and rust prevention. I am one of the guys that believe modern steel will not "season" like a cast iron frying pan. Not to argue with those that use it and have good luck. Just my decision to not use it. We all have our reasons for doing things no matter how wrong they may be.

[Semisane]

Right there with you Keith - my thoughts exactly.

[Striderman]

Thanks everyone for the info.  My Cousin has been using the bore butter in his encore without any problems and I  have shooting mine without bore butter without any problems, so i guess it person choice.  I can shoot 4 or 5 shots without cleaning and not have any issues with hitting where i want to.

Thanks again

[dcomposer]

Guys, I'm new at this so please excuse any mistakes for the moment.  I recently bought a Bergara 50cal barrel for my Encore ProHunter.  It fit okay, but I didn't get any breech plug wrench with it.  Midway says one doesn't come with it.  The wrenches from T/C are either too big or too small.  Do you know which wrench to use.  I was hoping one of you has had a similar experience.  Thanks in advance for anything you can do.
dcomposer

[Redhawk1]

Guys, I'm new at this so please excuse any mistakes for the moment.  I recently bought a Bergara 50cal barrel for my Encore ProHunter.  It fit okay, but I didn't get any breech plug wrench with it.  Midway says one doesn't come with it.  The wrenches from T/C are either too big or too small.  Do you know which wrench to use.  I was hoping one of you has had a similar experience.  Thanks in advance for anything you can do.
dcomposer

Here is the answer I gave you in your other post.
I don't have experience with the Bergara Barrel, but you can get a socket wrench that will fit it. I never liked the wrenches that came with most muzzleloaders, So I went too my socket set and got the right size socket to fit and used the ratchet wrench with an extension. I keep one in my shooting and clean bags. Just an idea.