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Offline Keith L

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Re: What do you think of the 450 Marlin?
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2007, 08:05:27 PM »
Enough guys.  Both your opinions are well known now.  If you don't have new technical data to post then leave it alone.  More personal stuff and I will have to lock this thread.
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Re: What do you think of the 450 Marlin?
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2007, 02:43:38 AM »
Common cartridges like the ones you mentioned will continue to have available brass for as long as we can still own guns.

Weird proprietary cartridges normally become very hard to get as soon as rifle production stops.

The 450 Marlin is NOT a proprietary cartridge.  It is a SAAMI standard cartridge.  Big difference.
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Re: What do you think of the 450 Marlin?
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2007, 02:46:10 AM »
"Its funny how some people have the fear that the 450 marlin will replace their beloved 45-70."

That will never happen......the cartridge is a bad choice for anyone.

That's pure opinion - yours.  Mine would be that the 450 Marlin is a good choice for someone that wants 40,000 CUP .45-70 performance but doesn't want to pay double the cost of 450 ammo to get it.
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Re: What do you think of the 450 Marlin?
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2007, 02:49:40 AM »
Have they stopped selling reloading equipment?

It just one of those things you see on the rack and the first thing that comes to mind is.......

What were they thinking?
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Re: What do you think of the 450 Marlin?
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2007, 02:59:22 AM »
Dale,
since getting my 1895GS I have learned something about the Marlin 450.  For one thing the rifle is stronger than the 45-70, in so far as the threads on the receiver are a different design than the 45-70.  ...

The newer design is stronger.
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If you reload, I'd actually suggest the 450 over the 45-70, because all bullets, in the Marlin, are cross compatible, and should you desire to punish yourself, you can most likely load the 450 to a slightly higher velocity.

You cannot, however, get a 450 Marlin guide gun in stainless, should that be a desire.   No one seems to know why either.

The 450 thread design may result in a stronger action, and probably does.  I do believe the threads provide better mating between the receiver and the barrel and improve accuracy as a result.

The question that needs to be asked is “Is it required?”  Or is it like having two very similar cars, one that does 135mph and one that does 145mph, when both are used as family cars and never go over a 75mph speed limit?  Its been my contention from day one that a primary reason for Marlin using a different thread design on the 450 was to prevent the possibility of mismatching parts during assembly (a 450 receiver with a 45-70 barrel or vice versa).

As to reloading, the data suggests the 45-70 can reach higher velocities than the 450 when loaded to similar pressures.  Case capacity wins this battle and the .45-70 has the larger case.

Why Marlin didn’t make a 450 Guide Gun in stainless is beyond me.  Seems like they would have sold quite a few and helped the 450 cartridge along in the process.
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Re: What do you think of the 450 Marlin?
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2007, 03:05:57 AM »
Have they stopped selling reloading equipment?

It just one of those things you see on the rack and the first thing that comes to mind is.......

What were they thinking?

Many folks don't reload and have no desire to start. 

As a reloader, I would have been as happy with the 450 as I am with the .45-70. 
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Re: What do you think of the 450 Marlin?
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2007, 09:52:56 AM »
Bottom line is, 450 marlin and the 45/70 are both great cartridges.  It just comes down to personal preference and what suites you best. :)
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Re: What do you think of the 450 Marlin?
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2007, 03:38:46 PM »
.450 Marlin, still ticking....

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Re: What do you think of the 450 Marlin?
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2007, 09:12:10 AM »
Jim Carmichel, in the October 2007 issue of Outdoor Life puts it in the also ran column. My first impression was it isn't much different than a 12 gauge slug and they don't do a thing for me. That's with the standard ammo.