Author Topic: 1,000 YARD RIFLE!!! (Read 3774 times)

DalesCarpentry · « **on:** September 18, 2007, 06:32:32 PM »

I know some of you have to think about it. I some day would like to try shooting at 1,000 yards at a range. I know it costs a lot to build a gun to do this. This is why I say someday. I have read a fair deal on this and would just like your input. I have been thinking about a Remington 700 in a 300 Win Mag for this. What model 700 would you consider? What modafactions would you do to that model? What optics would you put on top. Price is a consideration. Could it be done for under $2,000.00 Everything included? Ok guy's lets hear it. Thanks Dale

Graybeard · « **Reply #1 on:** September 18, 2007, 10:57:35 PM »

6.5-284 not .300 Win. Mag.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #2 on:** September 18, 2007, 11:27:36 PM »

The only thing is Remington's are UGLY rifles.

Dave

NONYA · « **Reply #3 on:** September 19, 2007, 05:17:34 AM »

.284 7 mm RM,over at long range hunting site there are several guys shooting 1000 yard targets with rifles built well under 2000.

teddy12b · « **Reply #4 on:** September 19, 2007, 06:51:00 AM »

Savage makes 300 WSM in the 12BVSS and a 300 win mag in their low profile varminter. Those can be had for ~$715. I haven't seen one of the new Savage "F" class rifles, but I can only imagine how accurate they are based on how accurate their varmint series is. I think those are going for just over a grand. Then you just have to put on a scope and the sky is the limit there. I think it could be done for less than $2,000.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #5 on:** September 19, 2007, 08:26:06 AM »

Nonya so you say people are doing it with a 7MM rem Mag? I have toughed of that caliber also. What long range hunting site are you speaking of? Thanks Dale

NONYA · « **Reply #6 on:** September 19, 2007, 08:30:05 AM »

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/index.php

Some are,most are using variations of the 7mag,300 and 338 case.The 7mag and 300 wm are both quite capable of the 1000 gong shot,with a good barrel,great optics and knowledge of your round its not that far away.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #7 on:** September 19, 2007, 09:00:13 AM »

Thanks Nonya!!!! Dale

Marc5000 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 19, 2007, 01:05:20 PM »

Dale,

You have a .243 rifle that shoots very well at 300 yards, don't you? Maybe it will be suitable for 1000 yard shooting with the right bullets.

Marc

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #9 on:** September 19, 2007, 01:25:52 PM »

Quote from: Marc5000 on September 19, 2007, 01:05:20 PM

Dale,

You have a .243 rifle that shoots very well at 300 yards, don't you? Maybe it will be suitable for 1000 yard shooting with the right bullets.

Marc

You know you could be right. I do believe that it would be accurate enough. I bet it does not have much steam left at that distance. There is a reason they use 300 Win Mag's, 7MM Mag's and other hard hitting rounds. I would have to try to look up what the energy and velocities are at that kind of range. It would stand to reason though that if I am shooting 3/4'' groups at 300 yards. It could possibly in a perfect world shoot 2 1/2 inch groups at 1,000. I kind of dought it though. Dale

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #10 on:** September 19, 2007, 01:46:08 PM »

This is interesting. I have not found the velocity of the 243 at 1,000 yards yet.Comparative Ballistics (Drop from 100yd Zero, Drift in 10 mph Crosswind)
Cartridge Bullet Vel FPS 300yd Drop/Drift 600yd Drop/Drift 1000yd Drop/Drift
.243 AI 115 DTAC 3200 8.32" | 4.08" 57.15" | 17.57" 218.6" | 54.8"
.243 Win 115 DTAC 3120 8.97" | 4.24" 60.82" | 18.25" 232.3" | 57.0"
6XC 115 DTAC 3040 9.67" | 4.41" 64.82" | 19.01" 247.2" | 59.5"
6mm Dasher 105 Berger VLD 3030 9.92" | 4.85" 67.33" | 21.24" 262.7" | 67.4"
6mm BR 105 Berger VLD 2920 10.91" | 5.08" 73.33" | 22.35" 286.0" | 71.4"

Drop and Wind-Drift calculated with Point-Blank Software for 70° F temp, and 1000' altitude. BCs were 0.585 for 115 DTAC, 0.535 for Berger 105 VLD.

Marc5000 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 19, 2007, 02:20:37 PM »

I don't know much about long range shooting, but it sounds like the .243 has some potential. Those .243/6mm bullets in the 105-115 gr range have some pretty good BC. With muzzle velocities above 3000 fps, that should yield good ballistics.
I think that a 30 cal bullet has to weigh close to 200gr to have similar BC. I bet a 300 Mag can drive a 200gr bullet at 3000 fps or more, but recoil will be a lot more punishing.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #12 on:** September 19, 2007, 02:37:19 PM »

Bullets like the .243" 105gr VLD required a fast twist barrel, 1:8" for the Berger.

Tim

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #13 on:** September 19, 2007, 02:54:29 PM »

The more I read into it there are people that shoot 1,000 yard competitions with the 243 Winchester. I still can not find what the velocity and energy of a 105 grain bullet is at that range. I did find that a 115 grain bullet drops 233.3'' at that distance. I know you can't shoot a 115 grain bullet out of my rifle but I do think you can shoot 105 grain. Dale

quickdtoo · « **Reply #14 on:** September 19, 2007, 03:21:51 PM »

Your SPS Varmint has a 1 in 9-1/8" twist rate, you may be able to shoot some 105gr bullets tho, the 105gr Amax only needs a 1:10" twist.

Tim

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_SPS_varmint_specs.asp

http://www.midwayusa.com/technote.exe/technote?SaleItemID=547333

http://www.midwayusa.com/technote.exe/technote?SaleItemID=643862

Marc5000 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 19, 2007, 04:49:43 PM »

The BC will vary with velocity, but just to have an idea I punched Bullet Weight = 105 gr, BC = 0.535, MV = 3100 fps into a ballistic calculator. At 1000 yards it shows Velocity 1570 fps and Energy 575 ft.lb.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #16 on:** September 19, 2007, 05:01:31 PM »

Quote from: Marc5000 on September 19, 2007, 04:49:43 PM

The BC will vary with velocity, but just to have an idea I punched Bullet Weight = 105 gr, BC = 0.535, MV = 3100 fps into a ballistic calculator. At 1000 yards it shows Velocity 1570 fps and Energy 575 ft.lb.

Thanks that is even more than I thought. I bet that you could kill a groundhog at that distance then. If you could hit him. By the way the barrel on my 243 is 26'' so the velocity may be slightly higher. Thanks Dale

NONYA · « **Reply #17 on:** September 19, 2007, 05:50:59 PM »

They use the flatter shooting rifles so you dont have to dial in 25 feet of drop on your scope turret to hit the gong at 1000.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #18 on:** September 19, 2007, 06:33:48 PM »

Quote from: NONYA on September 19, 2007, 05:50:59 PM

They use the flatter shooting rifles so you dont have to dial in 25 feet of drop on your scope turret to hit the gong at 1000.

It turns out to be 19' 6'' or so but your point is very well taken and I know of no scope that has that much adjustment. Dale

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #19 on:** September 20, 2007, 01:13:30 PM »

This is the greatest thing since sliced bread. This is really a great tool. Dale http://biggameinfo.com/index.aspx?page=/balcalc.ascx

charles p · « **Reply #20 on:** September 20, 2007, 03:18:12 PM »

I only know what I have read about the 1000 yd shooting fraternity. Seems something like a 300-378 Weatherby would be a better selection. Don't ever recall anyone shooting a .243 at super long ranges, but I could be wrong. Charles

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #21 on:** September 20, 2007, 04:10:47 PM »

Quote from: charles p on September 20, 2007, 03:18:12 PM

I only know what I have read about the 1000 yd shooting fraternity. Seems something like a 300-378 Weatherby would be a better selection. Don't ever recall anyone shooting a .243 at super long ranges, but I could be wrong. Charles

They do hold matches at 1,000 yards for the 243 but you are right the 300 WIN MAG or 300 Ultra Mag is a much better choice. I was just running the numbers on the 243 verse the 243 SSM at 1,00 yards. The SSM has 102 inches less drop at that range. Dale

Qaz · « **Reply #22 on:** September 21, 2007, 08:52:56 AM »

Dale, if you look around, you will find that the 6.5-284 excels at that distance. Personally, if I am shooting at that distance and I have not, I would be shooting the 6.5. Nice high BC bullet at a good velocity and it is a proven performer.
As far as shooting a ground hog at that distance, your 243 would do it, but I have more respect for the animal and myself than to attempt it. A lot of things can happen between 0-1000 yards and some quite costly. Besides, I have seen some ground hogs take a pretty good hit from a 243 at 300-400 yards and still crawl a good distance, especially late in the year when they are fat! Call me old fashioned, but I want to know where the bullet is going after it goes through the ground hog!

Qaz

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #23 on:** September 21, 2007, 09:31:51 AM »

I was making a genral statement about shooting a groundhog at that distance. I have no desire to really shoot any animal at that kind of distance. I was checking to see if my 243 could be re chambered to the 243 WSSM and it looks like I would be better off buying a rifle more suited for such long ranges. Dale

tutti confuso · « **Reply #24 on:** September 21, 2007, 09:42:33 AM »

reading the threads an have the same rifle in 243 [700vls] i asked a friend who has shot 600, 900 an 1000 yrds about a .243 making the distance [1000yrds], he gave me some in site on it
, but keep in mind he said " if your goal is building a rifle why not do a .30-338 an make it worth while", anyways here are
some number to look at, they may or may not be 100% accurate, but are close to, as i have read

1000yrds vel 1314 - poi 344.45 drop 385.71 tof 1.59 403 drift 87.78
105 gr hp bc.497 at muzzle 2800fps drift 10mi 90degrees scope 1.75 over bore/site in 100yrds
came off a reloading comp.chart scale

6.5~20X40 sf lr Leupold scope only has approx. 330. inches of moa, so you would need a special angle base mount for the scope
the trick is speed, keeping the bullet above 1088fps so as it doesn't drop sub-sonic
a Remington 700 hb 26".243 is capable, but you'll need lots of good equipment starting with a practice times 10, an
a good trigger job or a jewel or an alike type trigger system

safetysheriff · « **Reply #25 on:** September 22, 2007, 12:00:13 AM »

Dale,

there are significantly better cartridges for long-range competition if for no other reason than 'barrel life'. the .243 with a 26" barrel will give you 1000 yard capability with proper bullets. but it won't give you 'tolerable' barrel life. go to www.6mmbr.com and see what they like. especially take a look at their 'gun of the week' archives. some of the other 6mm' cartridges will give you good velocity with a 26" tube, with longer barrel life.

the .260 Remington, and some other 6.5 mm cartridges, are Very Good at long-range competition without burning up the barrels.

let us know what you do,

ss'

buffermop · « **Reply #26 on:** September 22, 2007, 03:32:08 AM »

What is the specs on the military 50 cal sniper rifle? I believe kills were reported in excess of 1000 yards.

hunt127588 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 26, 2007, 02:47:05 PM »

I second the .260. If you want something flat shooting for 1K _AND_ you want barrel life, you will not find this with a 7mm, 300 WM or 6.5-284. The .260 gives the best of all worlds. Just be sure and twist it with a 1/8".

IRA51 · « **Reply #28 on:** September 28, 2007, 09:06:01 AM »

ever consider the 338LM ? it will shoot 1000 yds if you can afford the ammo .

myarmor · « **Reply #29 on:** September 28, 2007, 05:19:50 PM »

I am late to this discussion but thought I would throw my 2cents in being a very happy Remington owner.
Dale these fellas have really gave some good advice on calibers and what SS said about 6mmbr.com is an excellent site, I go there daily and really take some time to read up on the many articles. There is a TON of awesome info especially for the long distance shooter.
I know you are on the verge of handloading and kudos my friend. This is the only way to really effectively shoot at long distances. It sounds like you already have a good shooting 243 and it is an awesome caliber for target shooting, you will find a ton of bullets available to you for reloading. I suggest you keep working and getting comfortable to this rifle and the way it feels, shoots, trigger breaks, etc..etc.. than go out and buy another rifle. The best shooters I have ever know shoot best with their rifle, and for good reason. Practice makes perfect and with a rifle you have shot a lot and know it's in's and out's..it's personality.. you really will be happy with what you can achieve.

Just my 2 cents in there. Cause I know what it feels like to have a new rifle that really does shoot great and still think of the what if's

-Aaron