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uh-oh,... looks like Fred Thompson won't get the Evangelical vote!
« on: September 21, 2007, 06:06:19 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070919/dobson-thompson/

DENVER — James Dobson, one of the nation's most politically influential evangelical Christians, made it clear in a message to friends this week he will not support Republican presidential hopeful Fred Thompson.

In a private e-mail obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press, Dobson accuses the former Tennessee senator and actor of being weak on the campaign trail and wrong on issues dear to social conservatives.

"Isn't Thompson the candidate who is opposed to a Constitutional amendment to protect marriage, believes there should be 50 different definitions of marriage in the U.S., favors McCain-Feingold, won't talk at all about what he believes, and can't speak his way out of a paper bag on the campaign trail?" Dobson wrote.

"He has no passion, no zeal, and no apparent 'want to.' And yet he is apparently the Great Hope that burns in the breasts of many conservative Christians? Well, not for me, my brothers. Not for me!"

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Re: uh-oh,... looks like Fred Thompson won't get the Evangelical vote!
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2007, 06:14:39 PM »
LOL you crack me up I bet you got beside yourself when you found this little tid bit LOL big deal it is one mans opinion who does not speak for a group but for himself. Like my dad always said an opinion is like an a hole every ones got one. LOL
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Re: uh-oh,... looks like Fred Thompson won't get the Evangelical vote!
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2007, 01:43:47 AM »
   Ditto Jh45..

   It is really comical how people who are obviously NOT Evangelicals..think they have the Evangelical vote all figured out ! ..LOL

   Fazak..FYI...I would presume that each Evangelical Christian has his own opinion about politics .

    Unlike the liberal political/religious hierarchies...we Evangelicals are allowed our own political opinions !

       
           Let's use the old "gray matter" ! 
     
    ...We may prefer one conservative over another among a group of conservative/values candidates ,
but when it comes to next November and we are presented with the choice of ANY of the competing conservative candidates and Obama/Osama  or having Slick Willy as "first lady"....

   Doesn't take much more than a nanosecond to decide whom we will cast our ballot for...
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Re: uh-oh,... looks like Fred Thompson won't get the Evangelical vote!
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2007, 03:17:14 AM »
Quote from: ironglow on September 22, 2007, 01:43:47 AM
   Ditto Jh45..

   
   Fazak..FYI...I would presume that each Evangelical Christian has his own opinion about politics .

   

Yeah,... that's true, but most evangelicals are pretty strict about the abortion issue, and they're not going to vote for Fred Thompson as a result of his pro abortion lobbying efforts.

That's definitely going to be the deal breaker.
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Re: uh-oh,... looks like Fred Thompson won't get the Evangelical vote!
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2007, 04:50:18 AM »
Not at all as Fred Thompson as a lobbiest may have done things that he does not stand for in real life as does most all Lawyers. Your thinking that this is going to affect Thompson is goofy. Right now there is a email going around that the Hildebeast defended a Black Panther. Think this will bother her chances I doubt it. Most folks know what lawyers and lobbiest do. Furthermore most Christians if they hear fred Thompson say he is Pro Life will vote for him over a Demoncrat that says they are pro abortion.

Fazak I do not have to overwelm this forum with Pro Thompson post unlike you with the pro Paul stuff like Ironglow said we all know how to make our own decision come Nov 08.
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Re: uh-oh,... looks like Fred Thompson won't get the Evangelical vote!
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2007, 05:36:47 AM »
It's early.

You'll see it when the campaign starts getting heated up. It's already started.

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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2007, 10:07:17 AM »
And may the best man win but I really do not think your horse is going to come in first.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2007, 10:10:25 AM »
Maybe not in the GOP nomination,.... but I wouldn't be surprised to see Dr Paul mount a 3rd party candidacy.

It wouldn't be right for him to deny the people an opportunity to vote for him in the election just because he was dismissed by the tattered remnants of the GOP.
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2007, 11:18:10 AM »
Who is James Dobson? Is he part of moveon.org? Never heard of the guy so don't mean much to me.
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2007, 11:47:28 AM »
 ;D Boy that should make him someone to really listen to.
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2007, 12:46:03 PM »
  Yup Fazak;

        In a close election, Ron Paul could possibly get Hillary or Obama/Osama elected..

   He could help install the gun-grabbers and tax-you-to-death socialists at the helm....

  Seems like that would fit his character..being  AGAINST everything and positive about virtually nothing...
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2007, 02:46:59 PM »
Quote from: ironglow on September 22, 2007, 12:46:03 PM
  Yup Fazak;

        In a close election, Ron Paul could possibly get Hillary or Obama/Osama elected..

   He could help install the gun-grabbers and tax-you-to-death socialists at the helm....

  Seems like that would fit his character..being  AGAINST everything and positive about virtually nothing...

Exactly but then I think Fazak would be happy.  ::)
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Re: uh-oh,... looks like Fred Thompson won't get the Evangelical vote!
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2007, 03:54:01 PM »
If I don't vote for Fred Thompson, then I won't vote at all.  If he hadn't decided to run I wasn't going to vote.

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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2007, 03:58:30 PM »
james dobson is the evangelical christians version of the pope! what he says carrys a lot of weight.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2007, 04:02:06 PM »
Sounds like a very good reason to vote for Fred.  If the protestant pope don't like him, that's a good thing.
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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2007, 05:25:03 PM »
Quote from: jdt48653 on September 22, 2007, 03:58:30 PM
james dobson is the evangelical christians version of the pope! what he says carrys a lot of weight.
   
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      Evangelical Christians have NO pope or any version of him ! What in the world is your source of information ?

  ..Better tap another source, because that one is extremely inaccurate ! 

    We Evangelicals will have no king..but Jesus ! (A battle cry of the Revolutionary war)

   Even the Eastern "Orthodox" Churches don't have a pope..that is one of the major "flies in the ointment" between the eastern and the Roman branches..
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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2007, 06:55:41 PM »
Well I never heard of the guy he better get a better press secretary.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The Pope is the Pope one of a kind  there is NO COPYS.
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Re: uh-oh,... looks like Fred Thompson won't get the Evangelical vote!
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2007, 08:01:28 PM »
1.  He's a Skeet shooter (I know this first hand, I've seen him shooting skeet at the Andrews AFB Range).  And he's pro Second Amendment.

2.  I like his stand on closing the border.

3.  I liked the way he did not take any BS during the commitee meetings he chaired in DC.

Unless something changes, he's got my vote.

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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2007, 12:37:05 AM »
"Thompson, who makes a point of visiting gun shops and gun shows in early voting states, received a warmer reception from the audience of about 500 people, some of whom stood and cheered when he said: "Our basic rights come from God, not from government."
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2007, 03:35:13 PM »
Ironglow,i know the pope is Catholic! i did not mean it literally.that was  ment was for those who do not know james dobson.i should have said he is a great christian leader.JESUS CHRIST is not to be compaired to the pope,who is a mere mortal human. not the son of GOD!
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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2007, 03:47:24 PM »
Quote from: jdt48653 on September 23, 2007, 03:35:13 PM
Ironglow,i know the pope is Catholic! i did not mean it literally.that was  ment was for those who do not know james dobson.i should have said he is a great christian leader.JESUS CHRIST is not to be compaired to the pope,who is a mere mortal human. not the son of GOD!

I doubt anyone here thinks the Pope is the Son of God. However the Pope is the successor to Peter who was chosen by Jesus to be his representative on earth and to found his church.
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2007, 03:58:05 PM »
That is catholic mythology, and not factual or Biblical.  The pope is just a political figure, and he always has been.
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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2007, 04:12:31 PM »
Gee in any Bible I read the New Testament pretty much outlines that. Other faiths besides the Catholics follow the New Testament.
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2007, 11:53:42 PM »
That scripture is frequently misinterpreted.  The rock wasn't Peter, it was his revelation.  The pope is just another political figure.  Like any mystical society or lodge the Church has it's trappings, legends, and rituals.
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2007, 12:57:53 AM »
Back to the political discussion.............

Quote from: Fazak on September 22, 2007, 10:10:25 AM
Maybe not in the GOP nomination,.... but I wouldn't be surprised to see Dr Paul mount a 3rd party candidacy.


If he wanted a third party candidacy, he should have started that way.

If he hasn't got the clout to take the Republican vote, he shouldn't divide it.

If he does this, than your "prediction" that we could vote for Fred, but we'll get Hillary - will definitely come true.  But it will be Dr. Paul's fault.
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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2007, 01:07:47 AM »
  
  We have been down that road about the papal office long ago, over in the "misc religious discussion" forum..although I tend to agree with swampman on that one issue, I won't belabor the point..

   I will say just this much; while I appreciate much of what James Dobson says and consider him a wise person..I think much the same of Fred Thompson, from what I know about him .
  I wouldn't heed Fred Thompson if he said "ignore James Dobson".... and I would ignore James Dobson if he said " Don't vote for Fred Thompson"..neither one can dictate to me !
  
  The Lord gave each of us a brain and a free will and I believe it is very presumptuous for any man (or woman) be they pope, preacher, politician or king to assume they can tell us WHAT TO THINK !

       I am not sure what candidate will get my vote next November..but I can tell you what KIND of candidate will get my vote next November..

  He/she will be very conservative, pro gun, pro life, pro individual freedom, pro traditional family & values, pro American (enough to want the USA to WIN every time), pro capitalism, pro (honest) business, pro free enterprise and pro common sense (as opposed to political correctness)..etc..

    A few bonus points may go to a born-again Christian..

  
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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2007, 07:52:25 AM »
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  He/she will be very conservative, pro gun, pro life, pro individual freedom, pro traditional family & values, pro American (enough to want the USA to WIN every time), pro capitalism, pro (honest) business, pro free enterprise and pro common sense (as opposed to political correctness)..etc..
 

Well from what I have read and heard so far out of Fred that pretty much fits his profile to a T. That is why I will support him.
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2007, 12:02:30 PM »
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  He/she will be very conservative, pro gun, pro life, pro individual freedom, pro traditional family & values, pro American (enough to want the USA to WIN every time), pro capitalism, pro (honest) business, pro free enterprise and pro common sense (as opposed to political correctness)..etc..
 

Well from what I have read and heard so far out of Fred that pretty much fits his profile to a T. That is why I will support him.

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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2007, 12:47:59 PM »
  I am not committed to Fred Thompson yet, I want to see more of Mike Huckabee and his plans...

   Of course, although I am not enamored of some of the Republicans...even the least desireable would be miles ahead of any of the Democrat candidates..
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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2007, 04:20:28 PM »
Quote from: ironglow on September 24, 2007, 12:47:59 PM
  I am not committed to Fred Thompson yet, I want to see more of Mike Huckabee and his plans...

   Of course, although I am not enamored of some of the Republicans...even the least desireable would be miles ahead of any of the Democrat candidates..

Being from AR., I have seen all of Mike Huckster I want. He is against abortion & is pro-gun, but he is heavy on Social programs, such as "our kids first" that he started here. He is not what you want I can assure you.
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