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Re: The Sense of Evil.
« Reply #120 on: August 23, 2010, 04:27:46 PM »
Scooter that would be a very small lion, the track is less than 3 inches long. Inches are on the lrft side of the ruler and centimeters are on the right.
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« Reply #121 on: August 24, 2010, 01:00:07 PM »
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Like I said , I'm an eastern Boy, I have nothing to gauge against , all I can say is small or not ,
I can tell ya Mama wasn't all that small and being unarmed with a feline and Kittens hundred yards or less from ya
in steep terrain where she had the high ground sure gave me a queasy feeling as well as a few others in the squad.

Thank god she was just wanted to get the heck out of the burned area herself.
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« Reply #122 on: August 25, 2010, 05:43:39 PM »
Sorry guys, if you are in the woods properly armed and don't feel like you are the top of the food chain, you need to stay at home.  Larry
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Re: The Sense of Evil.
« Reply #123 on: August 25, 2010, 07:00:22 PM »
Sorry guys, if you are in the woods properly armed and don't feel like you are the top of the food chain, you need to stay at home.  Larry

That's your opinion. We don't all have to agree with you however.

If you feel that just cuz you are armed that you are a match for a puma in the dark you are kidding no one but yourself. Even in daylight it can be on top of you before you are even aware it's there. A bear taken by surprise at close range can also be on you before you can clear the holster.

I'm happy you think carrying puts you at the top of the food chain and with prey animals I'd agree but with predators not necessarily so. A determined pack of wolves would also be next to impossible to stop if you are alone no matter how you are armed. Now that's not to say they would keep at you after you started firing but IF they did you'd wind up as wolf turds.


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« Reply #124 on: August 25, 2010, 07:16:03 PM »
There have been several posts here that have prodded me more than they should have. I have kept my mouth shut, thinking that was my best move. BUT I am here to tell you there are things in the woods that can hurt you bad, that you just don't expect to be there.
 When deer hunting I generally carry a heavy cal, cause I know there can be hogs in these deer woods. Now they say there are wolves showing up. nobody is saying where they came from but criminy folks.
 While many of you scoff at anything unusual, I have seen the unusual on 3 occassions. Twice was not in a friendly manner. I would feel ok with my 458 winnie, but certainly not cocky.
 Our sight, hearing, taste, and 6th sense is not near that of the animals are. Not to mention the tenacity or strength of wildlife.
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« Reply #125 on: August 25, 2010, 07:46:13 PM »
glad to find out others "see" or "feel" things too. I saw my father in law cut off three fingers on a saw, the strange part, I was in Virginia and he was in Arizona at the time. Saw it like i was standing next to him. Told the wife, but I Had no idea what it meant until the family called the wife that night.
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« Reply #126 on: August 25, 2010, 08:33:48 PM »
I was 13 years old, visiting relatives over 250 miles from home , when I got the strangest feeling. Told my relatives my father just died . An hour or so later police knocked on the door. My fathers friend who was a state police officer came upon the car accident recognized my fathers car , knew we were away visiting relatives and drove 4 hours to deliver the news personally to us my father died in a fatal crash.

Family said after I had announced my father had died, I didn't speak  or eat for 3 days .  I don't remember anything that happened during the following 3 days to a week after my fathers police friend came and delivered the news. I don't consider this a sense of evil. More of a blessing of some sort. I think my father was trying to prepare me of what was to come and let me know he was still with me and everthing would be alright. Thought I would share.

My family still talks about what happened to me and the events of that night.  
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Re: The Sense of Evil.
« Reply #127 on: August 28, 2010, 06:43:13 PM »
scootrd; I had  a similar experience.   Driving home from work one day I had a vision of my father and mother sitting up front in a country church I attended, and I was singing an old song, 'The Old Rugged Cross'.    Because it would be the last thing I would like to do for one of them - - - -  That was what I saw, and it broke my heart.
 
Dad hardly ever went to church, and when he did, he and Mom always sat in the back which she normally did.    And as for me singing a solo in church, well, there would have to be a rare occassion.

One Sunday morning, the strangest thing happend.   The Sunday School Director asked me, of all people, to lead singing in the morning's worship service because the flu had kept the singers out of church and he was in a bind and needed help.   I said, well, if nobody shows, check with me later, and I'd let him know.   After he left, I had this uncanney feeling to look across the church at the front pews.   Lo and behold was my Mom and Dad.   As soon as I saw them, a voice came into my mind; "now is the time".     I trembled at the vision that was unfolding right before my eyes.
I started the singing with "The Old Rugged Cross".

On Monday, after work, I found my Dad's glasses in my shop, which was kinda normal, as he would come over often and work around the shop.  Mom answered the phone when I called to let him know I had them, when she broke the news that he was in Intensive Care with a blocked heart.  Although the surgery was sucessful, he never recovered.    He was 72.
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Re: The Sense of Evil.
« Reply #128 on: August 30, 2010, 04:54:53 AM »
Sorry guys, if you are in the woods properly armed and don't feel like you are the top of the food chain, you need to stay at home.  Larry

That's your opinion. We don't all have to agree with you however.

If you feel that just cuz you are armed that you are a match for a puma in the dark you are kidding no one but yourself. Even in daylight it can be on top of you before you are even aware it's there. A bear taken by surprise at close range can also be on you before you can clear the holster.

I'm happy you think carrying puts you at the top of the food chain and with prey animals I'd agree but with predators not necessarily so. A determined pack of wolves would also be next to impossible to stop if you are alone no matter how you are armed. Now that's not to say they would keep at you after you started firing but IF they did you'd wind up as wolf turds.

That's 110% correct and anyone thinking any differently is just fooling themselves or are just what I like to call "Internet Heros".  Internet Heros get brave and macho sitting in front of a PC screen and brag about how big and bad they are.  Most of the time Internet Heros are really momma's boys with too much sugar in their draws, but hey you can be what ever you like here on the ole World Wide Web.
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Re: The Sense of Evil.
« Reply #129 on: August 30, 2010, 12:18:32 PM »
Gee Hawk, you sure are sensative!   ;)  lions and tigers and bears, oh my! eddie
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« Reply #130 on: August 30, 2010, 07:24:46 PM »
I think the world is feeling that sense of evil right now.  What is coming to the economy in the near future is not going to be pretty.  All animals have that 6th sense, some just listen to that little voice better than others.  So many people struggling in the economy with uncertainty across all income levels.  It feels like watching rats running around on a ship with some running to hide, some running to stay alive and some are already going over board.  We all have to make our own decisions to do what is best.  Haven't you heard more people talking about God lately?  I am thankful for that as God is the ultimate weapon to protect us from evil.

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« Reply #131 on: August 31, 2010, 04:30:53 AM »
I've never seen anything in the woods that scared me.
I consider myself lucky. I don't go looking for trouble.
I try to always go prepared hoping I never need it.
But nothing tells me I can't be surprised either.
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« Reply #132 on: August 31, 2010, 05:12:08 AM »
Bulletstuffer; when do you think the economy will tank? Just heard of a possible "dry run" for a terrorist attack.
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Re: The Sense of Evil.
« Reply #133 on: August 31, 2010, 06:26:57 AM »
 
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Posted by: Old Fart    I've never seen anything in the woods that scared me.

WELL; I have.  I was sneaking down a dry creekbed hunting squirrels when A dadburn Armadillo jumped off a high bank right in front of me.  My heart about bursted.

 goodshot, and bulletstuffer; you're not off topic, things can't get any more evil as when God has to step in and put a stop to it.
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« Reply #134 on: September 01, 2010, 04:48:08 AM »
Thanks FourBee :D  I sent goodshot a pm on what I am seeing.  I guess my comments are what spooked me in the world not just the woods ;)  Keep your fingers for our country.

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Re: The Sense of Evil.
« Reply #135 on: September 01, 2010, 07:50:11 AM »
I've never seen anything in the woods that scared me.

It has never been anything I've seen that scared me.  Normally if I see it, then I can combat it, but it's those unseen, but I know it's there that cause the hair to stand on the back of my neck.
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« Reply #136 on: September 01, 2010, 08:19:08 AM »
It is very easy for fear feed on it's self.  I have had this happen many times, from fears for your health to fears in the woods or at night.  There is a difference to me from being fearful and being scared, I think being scared is healthy, being fearful is not.  These thoughts are not easy to control, but if you know you are the baddest thing out there you can be scared without being in fear.  I am an old guy and have had a lot of interesting experiences, I am kind of done with being fearful of things, now I just get scared.  If you fear something you are believing you cannot best it, if you are scared you know it is bad but that it is something you can beat.  Believe me, there is a difference.  Next time, just slow down, get your crap together and figure out what is really happening (both in you're brain and what is around you) and things will become much better.  Remember, you are the top of the food chain, only a mistake can get you to number two.  Larry

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« Reply #137 on: September 01, 2010, 11:56:05 AM »
I was headed out to a tree stand before daylight many years ago feeling my way down an old road along a fencerow. It had rained the night before and was cloudy so it was pitch black. No wind, not a sound, then a big ol horned owl perched right over my head hollered out HOOOOOOOO, HEH, I went straight up in the air. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #138 on: September 01, 2010, 07:10:50 PM »
On 1 of my 1st hunts where I was allowed to hunt from the ground "alone" i was about 13ish and unknown to me my dad was only 30-40 yards away. Any way I kept hearing leaves crunch on the logging road I walked in on and then I saw the bobcat, it looked 6 foot long and 200 lbs! When it saw me that thing let out a yell and I about wet myself. I tried to hold up my 12ga and was shaking so bad I couldn't even see the bead sight. I have hated bobcats ever since! lol My dad God rest his sole saw the whole thing and once I calmed down he spoke to me to let me know he was with me.
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« Reply #139 on: September 01, 2010, 07:39:15 PM »
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That's 110% correct and anyone thinking any differently is just fooling themselves or are just what I like to call "Internet Heros".  Internet Heros get brave and macho sitting in front of a PC screen and brag about how big and bad they are.  Most of the time Internet Heros are really momma's boys with too much sugar in their draws, but hey you can be what ever you like here on the ole World Wide Web
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« Reply #140 on: September 02, 2010, 05:03:45 AM »
This was a good thread until it wandered off track.
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« Reply #141 on: September 02, 2010, 02:35:13 PM »
Your kind of right about the off track.  But the word "Evil" is in the religious area, like a supernatural kind of thing.  Frightning things in the woods would probably be better.  Larry
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« Reply #142 on: September 02, 2010, 11:45:50 PM »
Hey scootrd what you describe is called second sight. I have had this happen to me on 4 distinct occasions. It always occurred when something was about to happen to a close family member. Most of my ancestry is from the scotch-irish-welsh line, and most are firm believers in this. The first time occurred with the death of my cousin 300 miles away, the second time was the death of an aunt when i was 1100 miles from home, the third was the death of my grandfather who lived down the street and the last was my brother in law who died working on an offshore oil rig. The one with my brother in law was the most vivid and scary to me. I woke up from a sound sleep at about 4am on April 5th 1997. I was in a cold sweat screaming at the top of my lungs. My wife was scared half to death and asked me what was going on. I told her i felt like i was drowning and that something was happening to Brian, my brother in law. It took me about 1/2 hour to calm down enough to lay back down. We received the phone call about his death from falling off the rig into the gulf at 7am. It happened at 4:10 that morning. His body was never recovered. After i told my mother what happened she told me her father, my grandfather had also had the same kind of dreams throughout his life.

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« Reply #143 on: September 20, 2010, 08:16:59 PM »
Human observation #475.

As an experienced cop, martial artist, shooting competitor and out-doorsman, I've noticed a congruence between certain attitudes, words, and behaviors.  The know-it-all seldom knows any of it, and the braggart seldom possesses the qualities he so ardently professes (be it steely courage, or the sharpest shooting hand in the room).  The guys who strut the proudest fall to the first punch, the first match, or the first to call their bluff.  (And they always have an excuse.  "My sights must've got bumped!  I had a bad day!  You cheated!") 

Confidence is a great and wonderful thing (so much so, that I wrote a book about it, called "Safe and Confident", sadly not yet published), but there's a gulf of difference between confidence and arrogance.  "I woulda'...."  and "You shoulda'..."  are uttered by the kind of big talkers found among schoolyard bullies, gangs, and spouse abusers. 

Absolute confidence is the province of the ignorant, the insane, and the dead.

Cemeteries, battlefields and woods hold the remains of many brave people (cops, soldiers, hunters; some of them good friends of mine) who were great shooters, great fighters, and great tacticians, but yet dead they remain.  (To our loss.)  All the skills in the world don't consistently trump occasional bad luck, bad timing, or bad odds.  When you play a challenging game long enough, you will eventually lose a few hands.  In some fields (and woods) that means losing your life.  Recognizing that risk is not cowardice, it's common sense.

I'm relatively brave, but I've been afraid.
I'm relatively strong, but I've been weak.
I'm relatively smart, but I've been foolish.

The day I neglect to consider the fallibility of mankind in general, as well as my own observed shortcomings, is the day I give my enemy a wonderful gift.  The gift of my own  foolish overconfidence. 

Those who recognize, respect, and question the unknown are closer to understanding it, and therefore having a plan to deal with it. 

This thread was started to examine one (or more) of the lesser-understood senses.  It's no crime to have not experienced it, or to have experienced it and not understood it.  It doesn't require an explanation, and not everybody will have experienced it.  That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and it certainly doesn't mean that those who DO experience it should simply ignore their senses.  Suggesting they do so is remarkably self-centered and arrogant.


Thank you again to those who openly share your experiences and thoughts on the topic.

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« Reply #144 on: September 21, 2010, 12:06:42 PM »
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« Reply #145 on: September 21, 2010, 06:43:06 PM »
Nice words Brock Its good to hear from a brother in blue.
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« Reply #146 on: September 22, 2010, 03:37:42 AM »
Thanks Brock for putting to words what many of us were thinking but could put into words.  You have done it not only to the point but it is very well stated.
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« Reply #147 on: September 29, 2010, 04:48:51 AM »
bulletstuffer and goodshot, I get that feeling also. I get that feeling, that something is going to happen, don't know when, or what. Last time I had that feeling, my youngest son had just got on the school bus. I was walking back into the house, almost 9am, sunny and nice. All at once, cool breeze and and an ominous feeling. Stopped and looked around, and it just didn't feel right. Didn't scare me, just made me think somethings amiss. Weird feeling. gypsyman
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« Reply #148 on: September 30, 2010, 10:15:08 AM »
interesting, thanks for sharing. :)

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« Reply #149 on: October 08, 2010, 11:22:45 AM »
Regarding the "feeling", I'm personally of the "scientific explanation for everything" camp.  

Sometimes it's fun looking for the explanation though.  The "Hag" was a very common folk legend where I grew up.  In Mexico it is "Subirse el Muerto" (Dead Person on You).  In Japan it is the Kanashibari (Bound in Metal).  In China it is the Guǐ Yā Shēn (Ghost Pressing on the Body).  The Hmong call it the Dab Tsog (Crushing Demon).  In Sri Lanka, the "Amuku Be" (Ghost that Forces One Down).  The list goes on and on.  Almost every culture identifies this phenomenon.

The 1781 painting "The Nightmare" is thought to be a classical depiction of such an occurence:



Local legend in my heavily superstitious southern upbringing was that it was an evil spirit that visited you at night.  You'd awake with a crushing pressure on your chest, and you'd see and/or hear things.  Sometimes you'd see an old hag (hence the name), an imp, succubus, or other critter sitting on your chest (likened to the crushing feeling).  Usually it was said to be an omen of an impending tragedy about to happen.

When people would tell the stories, some people would believe them, some would say they were full of it.  When I was a teenager, it started happening to me.  I'd wake up, unable to move, and see chains holding me down to the bed.   Woke up once on the couch and heard steps walking around in the kitchen behind me.  Woke up once and couldn't move, and heard downright EVIL growling and cackling down the hall.  Another time I woke up and felt a sense of dread - again, unable to move - and then felt a sharp claw plunge into my stomach.  Another time at college, I slept on a loft bed (like a bunk bed but with no lower bunk - just a desk under there).  I saw something evil looking (kinda like a zombie, or like the girl off of "The Exorcist") at me from the foot of the bed - just from the nose up.  It keep jumping up and down as if it wasn't quite tall enough to see me up on the bed without jumping.

Scary stuff, PARTICULARLY when it was happening to me.  That said, I started researching the topic.  Turns out - there's nothing supernatural about it.  It's a medical phenomenon :).  You see, when you're asleep, your body paralyzes itself - it stops signals from the brain from being translated to the limbs as a safety mechanism.  Otherwise, when you're running from an imaginary lion at night, you'd be flailing about and kicking in bed :).  When that paralysis fails, you get sleep walkers.  Now sometimes, you get the opposite - rather than the paralysis not being applied when it shouldn't (sleep walking), sometimes upon waking up, or just before falling asleep, the body will enter a semi-sleep state.  The paralysis kicks in - which is why you can't move.  Your breathing is also not under your own control.  Your body will breath on "auto-pilot" just as you would while you're sleeping, but you can't take breaths when you explicitly want to, hence the heavy feeling you your chest.  The dream center of the brain also kicks in - but your conscious and awake.   The result is that you're paralyzed, and the dream center of your brain starts superimposing visual, auditory, and/or tactile hallucinations upon the real world.  Now, since you're unable to move, a sense of dread kicks in.  You feel afraid and vulnerable, and so those hallucinations take on a threatening form.  As far as you can tell the stuff is as real as can be (because afterall - reality is in the mind).  It reality though, it's all just a chemical interaction.  You may be seeing zombies, or hearing growls, but they're not really there.

Once I learned that, the episodes started becoming MUCH less frightening, to the point where now when it happens I no longer see scary things.  I just realize "Oh, it's the sleep paralysis again." and try to start to break it (usually by trying to rock back and forth - sometimes it can take a minute or two to break out of though - one of the primary fears of people who it first starts happening to is that they've awaken permanently paralyzed).

I believe that most of our supernatural experiences can be explained with an in depth analysis.  In particular, the "sense of dread" has been studied before.  I wish I could find the link, but I have seen research before that established a link between such feelings and certain electrical and sound frequencies.  They did studies in which they placed a fan or a other electrical device within a location set to emit that frequency.  This was something that was inaudible to the ears.  Despite it just being an electrical device, people in the test group (subjected to the frequency) were much more likely to report feelings of being watched, of presences, and of just a general feeling of uneasiness, than the control group which was not subjected to the frequency.