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Here's a cast-iron object. The one in the middle is the one I'm talking about. 

Dimensions: Height 22 in. Base diameter: 6 in. Weight: About 50 pounds. Bore: 2 1/4 in. The bore is a perfectly cylindrical hole that is open at the top and ends about one inch from the bottom. The bottom is solid. The large letters "CG" are cast into the item. Could it be some kind of old firework projector? 

It has no vent, but even today, fireworks launching mortars use a  quickmatch along the  side of the tube, or a wire with an electric squib in the lift charge.

We don't know. Please help us with ideas. We found this item in the northeastern USA, but it looks like something that may have come from the UK.

We looked up initials CG under iron founder and learned that there was a Charles Gascoigne, who was superintendent at the Carron Works in Falkirk, Scotland during the late 18th C. He got in some quarrel with Carron and went to Russia where he cast cannon for the Czar until his death in 1806.

Here's a pic of the item between two large thundermugs, for comparison.  The second pic is an old engraving, a concept of a "firemaster."  Look closely, it shows a lot about how thundermugs were used.   The character's legs look a lot like the device I'm trying to find out about.








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Re: What's this cast iron object, thunder mug, firework mortar, or what?
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2007, 02:32:54 AM »
 I don't know what it is.

 However, I have read this and some of your other posts and have a resource that may possibly be of some help to you.

 Years ago, a good friend of mine exported pyrotechnic chemicals to Standard Fireworks in India. He dealt directly with one of the founders of the company, a man by the name of A. Chelladhurai. This fellow (Now deceased, unfortunately) was well versed in the history and manufacture of fireworks and his company also made munition products for the Indian govt. From what I gathered from my friend (Now also deceased), Mr. Chelladhurai was a collector of ancient firework and munition artifacts from many countries.

 The Chelladhurai family still operates the company. If they are of the kind nature of their Patriarch (I have read several letters from him to my friend -  he was a top-notch gentleman), they may be able to help you with the identification of some of your artifacts.

 Who knows? It woudn't hurt to send them an email...

 http://www.standardfireworks.in/
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Re: What's this cast iron object, thunder mug, firework mortar, or what?
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2007, 04:17:08 AM »
Thanks, will do.

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Re: What's this cast iron object, thunder mug, firework mortar, or what?
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2007, 12:49:50 AM »
I saw something like this somewhere a while ago, don't recall where, it was apparently for cleaning chimneys. Whether they fired just a blank or a type of scaling charge I am uncertain. Adrian.

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Re: What's this cast iron object, thunder mug, firework mortar, or what?
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 01:44:06 AM »
Thanks, if you can recall where you saw it let us know.  Was it similar in shape?  What was its size?  There is a "stack gun" shown in a ca. 1920's Dupont "Blaster's Handbook" but theirs doesn't look like this thing, as far as the shape.  Also I think theirs was steel.  Theirs was used by filling it half full of powder, putting in a wad (I think), placing it in the bottom of the chimney, and setting it off.  The shock wave is what loosened the soot from the stack.

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Re: What's this cast iron object, thunder mug, firework mortar, or what?
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2007, 08:34:06 AM »
A.Roads, this is what you were referring to.
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,124110.0.html
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Re: What's this cast iron object, thunder mug, firework mortar, or what?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2009, 07:18:01 AM »
Checking to see if anyone has found anything?