Author Topic: 45 Colt/454 Casull thoughts (Read 8598 times)

troy5775 · « **Reply #60 on:** February 08, 2008, 12:07:57 PM »

Excuse a novices ignorance here but what about the 45lc/410 barrel? Could the longer chamber be used for the 454 or would the pressure be too great?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #61 on:** February 08, 2008, 01:05:12 PM »

Only if the barrel was on an SB2 frame, the Survivor has an SB1 frame, and then it would need to have sights added, it's not drilled and tapped for a scope rail and only has a bead front sight. On top of that, the long jump to the rifling doesn't help accuracy. Do a search for 450 Mongo.

Tim

kenbev · « **Reply #62 on:** February 09, 2008, 08:33:42 AM »

I sent my 45/410 barrel back to H&R and had it drilled, tapped and fitted with a scope rail. I had been using the 45LC ammo but I think I will try the 454 Casull next....

BAGTIC · « **Reply #63 on:** February 16, 2008, 06:58:55 PM »

No reason to use trimmed .454 cases.

. 45 Colt cases are much cheaper and more available.

You don't need to trim them.

They will produce all the power you need or want in the H&R.

With the same bullet and powder charge the Colt case will produce lower pressures.

Remember the .454 Casull revolvers were originally built around the factory .45 Colt case.

45LCshoooter · « **Reply #64 on:** February 17, 2008, 05:40:04 PM »

Just got here: BAGTIC is right about not needing to trim Casull cases...unless you just want to use different primers. Modern brass has a strong web just as good as Casull brass. If you only have revolvers in 45 Colt, you can simply load heavy stuff to COAL greater than the cylinder length of your revolver (learned that one from the great Ross Seyfried) so that the bullet will poke out and not function. BTW, Seyfried noted five shot Freedom Arms cylinders longer than Ruger which is longer than Colt.

I'm for the 460 if i change anything. I have a Winchester Trapper and don't think the COAL trick would work. I am afraid of mistakenly loading Casull loads into my Trapper: too close visually, besides, the .460 gives it enough of a difference in performance to make it worth the effort.

I would like to join your ring, if you start it; but i haven't even gotten a barrel yet.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #65 on:** February 17, 2008, 06:37:08 PM »

I'm still waitin on Fred to reply, sometimes he takes a while. $:-\$

Tim

Graybeard · « **Reply #66 on:** February 18, 2008, 04:11:59 AM »

I spoke to Fred on this last week and I think it's likely to come sooner rather than later. He mentioned that he had moved a good deal of stuff and that he was about ready to buy some more. I reminded him that he can sell the stuff here at GBO if he wants to list it since he is a Sponsor. He said he just might do that.

I asked about his break even point for reamers and I think he said he needed to rent one either three or four times to break even and only then does he begin to see a profit on them. I assured him that he should likely see a profit on the reamer from rentals to you handi guys wanting to rechamber. I suspect you'll be seeing it available in the not so distant future.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #67 on:** February 18, 2008, 05:22:27 AM »

Thanks Bill!

Tim

quickdtoo · « **Reply #68 on:** March 17, 2008, 12:24:58 PM »

I talked with Fred today, he's ordering the 460S&W reamer soon, I placed an order for it and the 30-30AI reamer today, said he ship em to me when he gets it sometime in April, so I won't be buying a reamer.

Tim

JerryKo · « **Reply #69 on:** March 19, 2008, 01:09:43 PM »

Good to hear. I've been patiently waiting for you to try.

JerryKo

quickdtoo · « **Reply #70 on:** May 19, 2008, 03:17:00 PM »

I finally got the reamer today, got it all reamed and ready to send it back already, also reamed one of my 30-30s to Improved. Took about an hour to do both, the 460 taking most of the time, the pilot was too big for the bore, it fit fine at the muzzle but was too tight at the chamber end, so after I figured that out, I removed the pilot and finished the last 3/8" without it, the reamer fit the chamber perfect by then so I didn't think it would hurt without it.

Tim

JerryKo · « **Reply #71 on:** May 20, 2008, 05:27:43 AM »

Range report when?

Jerry

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #72 on:** May 20, 2008, 08:25:37 AM »

OK Tim, ya gotta stop whatever it is yer doin to go shoot the 30-30 Imp. and let the rest of us know how bad we need one!

Gotta have a new project to dream about, don't ya know. Please?

DP.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #73 on:** May 20, 2008, 12:01:33 PM »

Between turkey huntin and finishing the wife's garden house, it may be a few weeks before the range trip happens. $:-\$

Tim

45454 · « **Reply #74 on:** May 20, 2008, 12:11:26 PM »

Quote from: troy5775 on February 08, 2008, 12:07:57 PM

Excuse a novices ignorance here but what about the 45lc/410 barrel? Could the longer chamber be used for the 454 or would the pressure be too great?

Hi Troy,
The pressure that the 454 generates is far higher than the 45 Colt.
The result(s) wouldn't be good.Can range anywhere from hazardous to dangerous.
Please use the 45 Colt only.At least, your rifle will be intact.
The 45 Colt will handle most situations.

JerryKo · « **Reply #75 on:** May 20, 2008, 01:29:27 PM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on May 20, 2008, 12:01:33 PM

Between turkey huntin and finishing the wife's garden house, it may be a few weeks before the range trip happens. $:-\$

Tim

That's just toooo long.....

guimus · « **Reply #76 on:** June 01, 2008, 06:37:23 PM »

Wednesday I got my reamer in the mail, but had to wait until Saturday to do the job...lots of cutting oil and about 5 minutes of gentle work and I now have a .454 handi. Took it out this morning and it's shooting better than it ever did as a .45 (which wasn't so bad). It also handled full-power loads with no signs of overpressure or trouble. I'm smitten.

Lazermule · « **Reply #77 on:** December 06, 2008, 12:48:52 AM »

Any other updates here? I think mt next barrel will be a 45LC an I will probably rechamber it for the 454 as well. Any range and hunting reports out there?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #78 on:** December 06, 2008, 04:59:47 AM »

I've only shot the 250gr SST w/H110 up to 2600fps in the 460S&W, accuracy wasn't the best at 2½" @ 100yds, gonna work on the 300gr SST next.

Tim

handi243 · « **Reply #79 on:** December 06, 2008, 05:04:47 AM »

Tim did you ever do the 460 s&w? haven't been here in a while.oops sorry tim i should have read more i see you did the 460

quickdtoo · « **Reply #80 on:** December 06, 2008, 05:12:22 AM »

That was in the 460S&W, I should have added that fact!

Tim

MSP Ret · « **Reply #81 on:** December 06, 2008, 05:15:24 AM »

Tim, if you can I would appreciate your trying some .45 LC';s out of the new .460 and reporting on what accuracy you are getting. I don't have a .45 LC yet but just finished reading this thread and am looking forward to getting one...Thanks buddy and have a very Merry CHRISTmas....<><....

is it the wacky Governor of Washington State that's has been getting all the press about her decision to allow CHRISTmas, christian, and overall religion bashing at the state house? Any recall petitions for her yet, can I sign one?...

cwlongshot · « **Reply #82 on:** February 02, 2009, 06:26:58 AM »

A good read.

Thank you for redirecting me Tim.

I am seriously thinking on a Casull conversion of my 45Colt carbine barrel.....

CW

krod47nw · « **Reply #83 on:** February 02, 2009, 06:33:14 AM »

Quote from: cwlongshot on February 02, 2009, 06:26:58 AM

I am seriously thinking on a Casull conversion of my 45Colt carbine barrel.....

CW

Me too