Author Topic: Your Choice...Hillary or Ron..? (Read 1717 times)

TM7 · « **on:** October 06, 2007, 02:50:25 AM »

Why Repubs must buck up and nominate Ron Paul.....TM7

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_114454.asp

jh45gun · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2007, 09:26:14 AM »

Key word on the whole article is OPINION at the top of the page and like an ahole every ones got one. Does not matter what he thinks of all the other candidates Ron Paul will not be nominated he is just not on the radar screen.

muskeg13 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2007, 02:28:42 PM »

I'd write in Mickey Mouse before voting for either Hitlerly or Ron Paul, but it will never come to that. Paul will never be nominated, at least not by the Republican Party.

jh45gun · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2007, 03:34:44 PM »

Quote from: muskeg13 on October 06, 2007, 02:28:42 PM

I'd write in Mickey Mouse before voting for either Hitlerly or Ron Paul, but it will never come to that. Paul will never be nominated, at least not by the Republican Party.

How about GOOFY LOL

rockbilly · « **Reply #4 on:** October 07, 2007, 07:07:47 AM »

I agree, Ron Paul is a long shot at best, but when it comes to common sense, and ideas to get this country back on the right track after the mess Jorge Dubba Bush-it has it have merit.

My thought at this time are, Brace yourself for a take over by Hillery and Bill. Bill didn't do bad, and likely would have gone down in history as a good President if he had kept his pants zipped, but I think Hillary, with his backing, along with her comrade Nancy and the support of a weak democratic congress will give the country away.

Perhaps Thompson would be the best choice on the republican side, at least he can be trained to act like a good President, McCain is an idiot, and should be sent packing, Romney has yet to show me anything, or what his true colors are, and Giuliani is on an ego trip and will try to take our guns and make us prisoner to government like the poor suckers in NY City. That said, he is a very long shot, but Ron Paul sure looks good to me.

jh45gun · « **Reply #5 on:** October 07, 2007, 07:12:42 AM »

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Bill didn't do bad, and likely would have gone down in history as a good President

Well with his anti gun ways he did not do good either!

I do agree that Thompson is our best shot and that you are right Rudy would sell us down the river on gun rights.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 07, 2007, 07:59:54 AM »

I took that poll on the forum and Fred Thompson would be the best candidate to support my views. Rudy Guliani and Ron Paul were listed just above the demoncrats in my list. Although I would vote for Ron Paul if he was on that 2008 ballot as a Republican I will not vote for Rudee.

But in the real world Ron Paul has about as much chance of getting nominated as the proverbial snowball in you know where.

gypsyman · « **Reply #7 on:** October 07, 2007, 05:22:39 PM »

I just got home from gun show in Columbus a couple hours ago. The Ron Paul volunteers were set up right next to me, handing out literature. While I certainly agree with alot of his ideas, I'm not sure mainstream media is going to give him much air time. Well, we have over a year to go, lets see what happens.-gypsyman

jh45gun · « **Reply #8 on:** October 08, 2007, 06:35:22 AM »

Does not matter I doubt if Ron Paul will ever get enough momentum to get anywhere and I still support Thompson.

gypsyman · « **Reply #9 on:** October 09, 2007, 04:22:17 AM »

I believe alot of us here are looking at a glass of water, and trying to determine if it's half full, or half empty. If a year from now the 2 candidates are Hillary or Obama, against Paul or Thompson, I will vote for the Lesser of 2 evils, either Paul or Thompson. While I like the idea Paul has of getting rid of the IRS, and the BATF, Hillary, or any other Democrat will tear him apart in campaign ads on these ideas. There is usually less than 100 million people that vote in a presidential election. IF, and I do mean IF, 20-25% are rabid gun owners, like on this site, that would still mean 60 to 70 million people, that give a rats butt about the 2nd Adm. And with Pauls ideas of getting rid of the FBI,IRS, BATF, the dem's would make it look like he wants to dismantle the whole govt. Do you now how many soccer moms would hear, no more back ground checks on gun sales, no money for prisons,schools,etc.,etc. They'd swallow that faster than a medium order of fries in a car full of teenagers. I really do like some of his ideas, trouble is, he might just sound too radical for the average joe, that's more concerned with who won the football game, or which Hollywood nucklehead is going into rehab. gypsyman

nw_hunter · « **Reply #10 on:** October 17, 2007, 09:28:22 AM »

I find it strange that a conservative could prefer Thompson over Ron Paul, if it came down to Paul and Thompson in the primary.I'm not saying Paul has a chance in this fixed , so called primary, but Paul's voting record shows him to be a true Conservative, while Thompson a moderate at best! After the CNBC debate their on line poll had Paul leading (BIG TIME) So much, that the Editor of the program had it pulled and made this statement.

Editor's Note:
Allen Wastler
Managing Editor, CNBC.COM

Dear folks,

You guys are good. Real good. You are truly a force on World Wide Web and I tip my hat to you.

That's based on my first hand experience of your work regarding our CNBC Republican candidate debate. After the debate, we put up a poll on our Web site asking who readers thought won the debate. You guys flooded it.

Now these Internet polls are admittedly unscientific and subject to hacking. In the end, they are really just a way to engage the reader and take a quick temperature reading of your audience. Nothing more and nothing less. The cyber equivalent of asking the room for a show of hands on a certain question.

So there was our after-debate poll. The numbers grew ... 7,000-plus votes after a couple of hours ... and Ron Paul was at 75%.

Now Paul is a fine gentleman with some substantial backing and, by the way, was a dynamic presence throughout the debate , but I haven't seen him pull those kind of numbers in any "legit" poll. Our poll was either hacked or the target of a campaign. So we took the poll down.

The next day, our email basket was flooded with Ron Paul support messages. And the computer logs showed the poll had been hit with traffic from Ron Paul chat sites. I learned other Internet polls that night had been hit in similar fashion. Congratulations. You folks are obviously well-organized and feel strongly about your candidate and I can't help but admire that.

But you also ruined the purpose of the poll. It was no longer an honest "show of hands" -- it suddenly was a platform for beating the Ron Paul drum. That certainly wasn't our intention and certainly doesn't serve our readers ... at least those who aren't already in the Ron Paul camp.

Some of you Ron Paul fans take issue with my decision to take the poll down. Fine. When a well-organized and committed "few" can throw the results of a system meant to reflect the sentiments of "the many," I get a little worried. I'd take it down again.

Sincerely,

Allen Wastler
Managing Editor, CNBC.com

So it's clear to me they will fix the next poll to suit the candidate of their choice

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Casull · « **Reply #11 on:** October 17, 2007, 11:07:41 AM »

I find it strange that a conservative could prefer Thompson over Ron Paul, if it came down to Paul and Thompson in the primary.I'm not saying Paul has a chance in this fixed , so called primary, but Paul's voting record shows him to be a true Conservative, while Thompson a moderate at best! After the CNBC debate their on line poll had Paul leading (BIG TIME) So much, that the Editor of the program had it pulled and made this statement.

Editor's Note:
Allen Wastler
Managing Editor, CNBC.COM

Dear folks,

You guys are good. Real good. You are truly a force on World Wide Web and I tip my hat to you.

That's based on my first hand experience of your work regarding our CNBC Republican candidate debate. After the debate, we put up a poll on our Web site asking who readers thought won the debate. You guys flooded it.

Now these Internet polls are admittedly unscientific and subject to hacking. In the end, they are really just a way to engage the reader and take a quick temperature reading of your audience. Nothing more and nothing less. The cyber equivalent of asking the room for a show of hands on a certain question.

So there was our after-debate poll. The numbers grew ... 7,000-plus votes after a couple of hours ... and Ron Paul was at 75%.

Now Paul is a fine gentleman with some substantial backing and, by the way, was a dynamic presence throughout the debate , but I haven't seen him pull those kind of numbers in any "legit" poll. Our poll was either hacked or the target of a campaign. So we took the poll down.

The next day, our email basket was flooded with Ron Paul support messages. And the computer logs showed the poll had been hit with traffic from Ron Paul chat sites. I learned other Internet polls that night had been hit in similar fashion. Congratulations. You folks are obviously well-organized and feel strongly about your candidate and I can't help but admire that.

But you also ruined the purpose of the poll. It was no longer an honest "show of hands" -- it suddenly was a platform for beating the Ron Paul drum. That certainly wasn't our intention and certainly doesn't serve our readers ... at least those who aren't already in the Ron Paul camp.

Some of you Ron Paul fans take issue with my decision to take the poll down. Fine. When a well-organized and committed "few" can throw the results of a system meant to reflect the sentiments of "the many," I get a little worried. I'd take it down again.

Sincerely,

Allen Wastler
Managing Editor, CNBC.com

So it's clear to me they will fix the next poll to suit the candidate of their choice

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Well, seems pretty clear to me that the Ron Paul hackers "fixed" the poll.

Swampman · « **Reply #12 on:** October 17, 2007, 11:29:43 AM »

"I find it strange that a conservative could prefer Thompson over Ron Paul"

We wish to vote for someone that has a chance.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #13 on:** October 17, 2007, 11:39:59 AM »

Quote: Casull

Well, seems pretty clear to me that the Ron Paul hackers "fixed" the poll.
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You miss the point Casull! There were no Hackers, just a broad number of freedom loving people , that use the internet to get the truth in politics, because it's the only place to get it these days, and the only place for the same to be heard.

The following is a challenge letter sent to CNBC and its managing editor, Allen Wastler,that was listed at the end of his letter.

Mr. Wastler,

Thank you for a brief flash of accountability in posting the letter titled "An Open Letter to the Ron Paul Faithful". Your acknowledging the removal of the debate poll, because Ron Paul was trouncing everyone else, is noteworthy. However, your letter defines prejudice, negative bias and hypocrisy. The function of the news media in America is not one of censorship.

The Main Stream Media and all politicians regularly exhort the populace to get involved, register to vote, become part of the solution, express your views in the process and be active. These days are different than the early 1990’s and before. The Internet is about as ubiquitous as the phone but with a greater capacity for feed back from the people. You asked the viewers to communicate their responses/views about the debate and you got it. The Internet worked, even if the result was not what you and The Powers That Be at CNBC wanted.

Your letter whimpers about the Ron Paul supporters overwhelming the poll results. Were the McCainiacs, Thompsonians, Giulianites, Huckabeeans, Brownbackers or other supporters precluded, blocked or inhibited in anyway from voting? No.

So instead of commenting on the lifeless ineptitude of the supporters for the vaunted mainstream candidates, you decided to shut down the option of open participation for all. Why? Because Ron Paul is a real threat of awakening the American people to the reality of the socialist/communist political establishment that is consuming America and of which you are an integral part.

Casull · « **Reply #14 on:** October 17, 2007, 12:14:22 PM »

You miss the point Casull! There were no Hackers, just a broad number of freedom loving people , that use the internet to get the truth in politics, because it's the only place to get it these days, and the only place for the same to be heard.

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So say you NW. You miss the point. If RP can't place high on "normal" type polls, but crushes on an internet poll, it seems pretty obvious that there are some shenanigans going on.

jh45gun · « **Reply #15 on:** October 17, 2007, 04:22:31 PM »

ANYONE who believes in internet polls probably still believes in the TOOTH FAIRY also.

They can be skewed so easy its not funny. In fact some one with computer savy can make a bot and run the numbers sky high if they so desire.

Casull · « **Reply #16 on:** October 18, 2007, 06:18:05 AM »

Maybe the 'normal' polls ain't so normal. You think....?

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TM7, is there any aspect of life where you don't see conspiracies?

Casull · « **Reply #17 on:** October 18, 2007, 09:17:43 AM »

TM7, didn't mean to be rude, but I didn't read your response as being in any way in agreement. Guess I'm a bit jaded. I don't even think of anyone hacking an online poll as a conspiracy anymore, just something that happens every day. Sorry if I took your reply wrong.

jh45gun · « **Reply #18 on:** October 18, 2007, 10:50:33 AM »

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There were no Hackers, just a broad number of freedom loving people , that use the internet to get the truth in politics, because it's the only place to get it these days, and the only place for the same to be heard.

SSSSHHHHHH its a conspiracy

LOL Just jokeing LOL LOL I think the internet is a place you better pick and chose your sources. There are lots of good places to get the info you seek but lots of bad places full of misinformation too. Look at all the stuff folks post they get email that rings of truth but is false. Thankfully there are places like Snopes that check those out and tell you if they are tue. false, or partly true or partly false.

deltecs · « **Reply #19 on:** October 31, 2007, 04:56:48 PM »

Quote from: rockbilly on October 07, 2007, 07:07:47 AM

I agree, Ron Paul is a long shot at best, but when it comes to common sense, and ideas to get this country back on the right track after the mess Jorge Dubba Bush-it has it have merit.

My thought at this time are, Brace yourself for a take over by Hillery and Bill. Bill didn't do bad, and likely would have gone down in history as a good President if he had kept his pants zipped, but I think Hillary, with his backing, along with her comrade Nancy and the support of a weak democratic congress will give the country away.

Perhaps Thompson would be the best choice on the republican side, at least he can be trained to act like a good President, McCain is an idiot, and should be sent packing, Romney has yet to show me anything, or what his true colors are, and Giuliani is on an ego trip and will try to take our guns and make us prisoner to government like the poor suckers in NY City. That said, he is a very long shot, but Ron Paul sure looks good to me.

I totally disagree that Slick Willy would have gone down in history as good President. His foreign policy was deplorable. His stand on individual rights was non existent. His personal ethics were lies, deceit, calculating, misdirection and thief. I believe his wife Hitlery to be of the same mold. Thompson is probably the only conservative candidate that can win the Presidency against the Demoncrats.

jh45gun · « **Reply #20 on:** October 31, 2007, 06:30:11 PM »

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Thompson is probably the only conservative candidate that can win the Presidency against the Demoncrats

I agree on that and even then it will be tough I think beating hitlery unless she manages to self destruct. They really ganged up on her on this last poll and even Russert and the other NBC anchor was tough on her. She did not do well I think which is a good thing. The other candidates hit her with the Republicans hope she wins because they think they can beat her. Bet that ticked her off. LOL

deltecs · « **Reply #21 on:** November 01, 2007, 11:52:33 AM »

Hitlery will have a tough time against Thompson. He also has large support from the normally Demoncratic celebrities. This will take some of the thunder away from her. Giuliani would support Thompson if he gets the nomination, and some of Hitlery's NY support and many of the East Coast States population would too. With most of his support coming from the moderate conservatives like the midwest and west states, this may be enough to swing the pendulum. She is not really well liked ouside of the Democratic strongholds and many people dislike her obvious choice of residence just to win a Senate seat. If she was well liked, she should have run in her home State of Arkansas and we all have seen what happened there.

Echo4Lima · « **Reply #22 on:** November 04, 2007, 02:38:26 PM »

No hacking just a lot of re-re-re voting.

Sourdough · « **Reply #23 on:** November 04, 2007, 07:40:33 PM »

Go to any cafe, coffee shop, truck stop, donut shop, or anywhere a bunch of folks are sitting around and talking. A place where the conversation will turn to politics and just listen. You will hear Rudy, Mitt, John, Hillary, Barak, Fred, and John, mentioned. You won't hear Ron, and that will say a lot about who the people of this country is looking at and thinking about.

jh45gun · « **Reply #24 on:** November 05, 2007, 07:55:08 AM »

Quote from: Sourdough on November 04, 2007, 07:40:33 PM

Go to any cafe, coffee shop, truck stop, donut shop, or anywhere a bunch of folks are sitting around and talking. A place where the conversation will turn to politics and just listen. You will hear Rudy, Mitt, John, Hillary, Barak, Fred, and John, mentioned. You won't hear Ron, and that will say a lot about who the people of this country is looking at and thinking about.

Yep I agree

doc_kreipke · « **Reply #25 on:** November 06, 2007, 02:19:26 AM »

If RP doesn't get the nomination, I hope he doesn't go off half cocked and run as a third party candidate. Third party candidates run the risk of descending into political obscurity. We need a politician who believes in the Constitution and fiscal responsibility right where he is. I'd rather have a Congress full of Ron Pauls than one as President.

gypsyman · « **Reply #26 on:** November 06, 2007, 08:13:17 AM »

Well, about a year to go. In our little paper we get here east of Toledo, they have a page where 5-6 people get asked their opinion on a certain matter, their picture gets published with their response under the picture. Last weekends question was, if this Tuesday,(today) was presidential election day, who would you vote for. 4 women, and 2 men where asked. 1 women said she hadn't made up her mind yet, 1 of the men said he wouldn't vote for anybody that was currently running, and the other 4 all said Hilary. May God have mercy on this country! gypsyman