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Remington Express Core-Lockt .243
« on: October 07, 2007, 09:03:50 AM »
Hi All,

           This afternoon on the way back from the range I brought a box of 100 grain Rem PSP to try in the .243. Well opened it up at home and noticed the cases had tarnish marks on them so I guess they have been in stock for a while. However what surprised me was that the bullets tips seem to vary quite a bit visually. They are also slightly flat tipped which I was not expecting, some the cores are level with the jacket and others protrude.  This got me wondering so I dug out some Remington 100 Grain .270 Bullets which I have had for years, now these old bullets are much smoother on the surface than those in this new ammunition.

       Is this  sort of rough surface and tip variation normal on the Core-Lockt bullet?

     I also wonder if the difference of the tips will show up in accuracy on the target........................... only time at the range will tell that. Think I will get a box of another make next week on the way to the range so I can compare the two makes out of the same rifle as just trying the Remington ammo would not be a fair test as I have not fired this rifle yet so do not know how it groups. Oh the box cost £14:60 ($ 29:20US)

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Re: Remington Express Core-Lockt .243
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2007, 11:53:52 AM »
"Pointed" CoreLokts are usually a bit flat at the tip. My son and I reload the same 100gr bullet and we get good results accuracy wise and get good terminal ballistics. We haven't used another bullet in our .243's yet. Between us we have probably harvested close to 20 deer.
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Re: Remington Express Core-Lockt .243
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2007, 11:48:45 PM »
Thanks Dave,

    Have read good things about them, it just surprised me the differences on the tips. Never shot Remington factory centerfire ammo before so not sure what to expect. Got to finish cleaning the rifle first as I doubt it's been cleaned properly since it was made from the crude in the integral brake. I suspect that the accuracy fell off which is why it got traded. But a few range trips will tell the truth.

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Re: Remington Express Core-Lockt .243
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2007, 04:14:49 AM »
You can say many things about Core Lokt bullets but pretty ain't one of them.  The variance in the tips will not affect the accuracy.
To highjack the thread a bit, do they let you folks in Great Britain reload?

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Re: Remington Express Core-Lockt .243
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2007, 05:14:54 AM »
Hi There,

    Yep I do re-load however as yet I have not got dies and cases for the .243 as I have been playing with the 6mm Remington however I am stripping of the high gloss varnish from that stock to re-finish it as it has soem scratches and I just had a slimmer recoil pad fitted to reduce the LOP. So while that is going on I will paly with the .243.

     Just now the the rifle is setting aside waiting to the plastic wood to set which I am repairing the inletting where the fprmer misguided owner sanded out the barrel channel. I think thier idea was to free float the barrel however they managed to screw up the bedding and when I brought the rifle it had a piece of card under the recoil lug rather than the action bedding surface and the action was sitting low in the stock. I have added thisa wood repair to bring the action back up level and we will see how it goes from there. First time I have used this wood repair paste but it's sandable and stainable so i should be able to hide most of it.

    Presently I re-load for a few calibers and chamberings like :-

.222 Rem
6mm Rem
6.5x55
6.5x54MS
6.5x53R (.256 Mannlicher)
.270 Win
7x57
.308 Win
30-30 Win
.30-06 Sprg
.303 British
.303 Imp
8x57
9.3x57
.458

      Trouble is it's expensive here for instance I brought a 1 lb tub of Hodgdons Varget at the weekend which cost £32 ($64 US) and whilst there I enquired about the price of dies. Lees Pace setter dies are £22 ($44 US). The Collet dies are £27 ($54 US) and RCBS dies are £28 ($56 US) a set. It's tempting to order direct from Lee but then if we don't support the local gunshop we could lose it soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo? and of course there is duty and postage to pay on stuff from the US.

     The .243 is not my favorite cartridge as for one I happen to think it's finiky having seen others with them and rifles who will shoot one type bullet and load and be grossly inaccurate with another. A friend had a Ruger No1B which would not bullets of more than 85 grains with any accuracy. 100 grain bulelts made groups of about 8" at 100 yards however 85 grain bullets would make one ragged hole. I am hoping that this old BSA Majestic will shoot OK, however if it does not it's not a total loss as I will just tuck it awy in the collection until I can find another Majestic with the BESA Recoil Reducer in the barrel. It was because it had the integral muzzle brake which is why I brought it not because of the chamberign and calibre. However now I have it well we have to shoot it to find out what it's like and how well it performs! may even take in stalking if it shoots well.

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Re: Remington Express Core-Lockt .243
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2007, 01:33:34 AM »
Hi Brithunter, as  a Fellow countryman living in the USA I feel your pain. People in the old country get ripped off for everything, badly. Where abouts do you live?
Back to the 243, many don't have a fast enough twist for 100gr bullets and 85gr is a good compromise, I use them in mine. Good luck and if you want anything sent over, I'll trade you a set of Lee Collet dies for a decent black pudding anytime!!!

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Re: Remington Express Core-Lockt .243
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2007, 02:34:40 AM »
Hmmm our local butcher makes Black Puddings, never tried them as they don't appeal. I am on the East Coast near the Wash, Fen Country flat and damp, posting a Black Pudding would more than likely violate several Federal laws I am afriad to say :'(.

  Now according to what I can obtain information wise the BSA should handle 100 Grain bulelts OK, don't forget that a minimum bullets weight of 100 grains is required in Scotland for the shooting of all but Roe Deer. Couldn't find where it mentioned the twist rate so I got a rod out and measured it and it's a 1" in 10" twist. The P-H 1200V seems to be about the same but has less wear or a tighter bore only range time will tell if there is any difference accuracy wise.

   Wanted to go out into the garden today as I have lots to do but it's blowing hard and teeming with rain so no grass and hegde cutting and I cannot get the eletric cement mixer out either and have a concrete base for a shed to do so I have some rifles out and am going through them. Might even load some more 6mm later.

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Re: Remington Express Core-Lockt .243
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2007, 03:34:34 AM »
Hi Brithunter, as  a Fellow countryman living in the USA I feel your pain. People in the old country get ripped off for everything, badly. Where abouts do you live?
Back to the 243, many don't have a fast enough twist for 100gr bullets and 85gr is a good compromise, I use them in mine. Good luck and if you want anything sent over, I'll trade you a set of Lee Collet dies for a decent black pudding anytime!!!

The early .244 Remingtons had a 1-12 twist and would not shoot 100 grain bullets very well. So far as I know all .243s have a 10" twist for the 100 grain bullets. I've never heard that the .243 was any more touchy about loads than other calibers, could be, but I've never found that in the several .243s I've owned. Now the .243 Ultra-light Youth Handi-rifle I bought for the wife is not at all touchy, it won't shoot anything very well! ;D
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Re: Remington Express Core-Lockt .243
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2007, 05:55:12 AM »
The Remington C-L has not been a highly polished bullet, but it has been very effective.  Lead point bullets suffer damage from recoil, and dropping.  The designed of the C-L with the jacket running up to the point prevents damage that is common with other lead pointed bullets.  A brother and a hunting partner have taken a number of deer using the 100 gr. C-L.  A common comment is that tissue damage was about the same as from an –06 on behind the shoulder shots.  I have had very good results with C-L bullets in other calibers on deer.

My Remington model 788 has no accuracy problems with bullet weights from 80 grains to 105 grains.  I have loaded a number of C-L, Hornady, Nosler, and Speer bullets using IMR4350 and H4831 and accuracy has been top notch.  I do not use it for deer hunting because I have it loaded for varmints.  My varmint load is a Winchester bulk, PSP, 80-grain bullet pushed by H414.  On a still day it seems to take a few minutes for all the coyote hair to settle to the ground.

I have stored a number of boxes of C-L bullets and they seem to tarnish faster then the highly polished bullets.  And they come with a rougher surface.  The dividend is they sell for less, and are very effective on game.  From a ballistic standpoint velocity drops off faster after 300 yards then the more ballistic efficient pointed bullets.  I believe that Speer produced their Mag-Tip bullet to copy the Remington C-L.
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Re: Remington Express Core-Lockt .243
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2007, 11:59:24 AM »
Ahhh thank you for that little snippet of information about the bullet tips. Although tip damage should not be a problem in the BSA as it has ribs on the sides of the magazine box to hold cartridges back from the front of box therefore stopping the bullet tips mashing into the mag and deforming. Funny thing is that my .270 100 grain bulelts have not tarnished and I have had them for at least 8 years now.

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Re: Remington Express Core-Lockt .243
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2007, 05:35:22 AM »
Brit...I finally remembered to check my supply of CoreLokts this weekend, I have about 6 boxes for my .243...None showed what you are talking about...I am wondering if they might have been dropped during shipping...I also wonder if they were stored in a high humidity environment, even possibly during the boat ride over...The current price over here is $13.88 at WalMart...I have shot them since 1980 with good results...Next time you buy a box, I would look at them before you pay for them...Good Luck

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Re: Remington Express Core-Lockt .243
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2007, 05:53:59 AM »
Well I just brought a box of 80 grain Core-Lockt and these bullets whilst not smooth are not as rough as those 100 grain ones. Another thing is that the box flaps are sealed down with spots of glue so I am not sure the shop will like people opening boxes and putting them back. With the plastic cartridge holders surely the bullets should not be able to get damaged, or at least I think that is one reason for having them, but then again it may just be some shipping regulations.