Plane Identification Refused

[TM7]

Identification of four planes used in 911 refused by FBI....geezzz, I wonder why?......TM7

http://www.911blogger.com/node/11776

[Skeptic10787]

If they did reply with identification of parts, would you (or anyone else on 911blogger or similar sites) even believe them? I say no... so what would be the point of them releasing any information when it's just going to add to the conspiracy theories anyway?

I ask this with discussion as the intent, not an attack, so please don't followup with anything similar to your previous accusation that I'm siding with the government and believe their lies and yada yada...  Not believing a bunch of whacky conspiracy theories doesn't make a person pro-government.

[Swampman]

"No doubt there are many conspiracy sites that are 'whacky'"

I believe this is a gross understatement.

[Skeptic10787]

Yes, I saw the title of the individual giving the information. Yes, it has been established that the government has not provided basic physical evidence (for what reason is unknown)... but that doesn't answer the question... Would conspiracy theorists even believe it if the government gave it to them?

BTW, I do not recall chiding or affronting you on this forum unless I was personally attacked first...in which case I sometimes strike back.

Please refer to reply #61 in "The plane that crashed in Pennsylvania 9/11"
"YET,,,yet, skeptic and shootall....you are more than willing to accept the media's version of the government's 911 story lock, stock, and barrel; and any alternative probing or fact gathering analysis of science and events is to be disregarded. So, where is your own 'fair and balanced' compass?"
Untrue, unprovoked, and unnecessary. I ask these questions both to prove my point and to facilitate discussion, not to defend my intelligence or motive.

[Skeptic10787]

Oops, hit the button twice and apparently the delete feature is gone.

[Skeptic10787]

It posits a good question and as I see it, does not attack or demean you in any way, but instead ask for insight on how you process all this 911 information. I don't think you answered or commented on this.

Well my concern is that I never, at any point, so much as even indicated that I accepted the media version of the government story and disregarded alternative probing and fact finding...  my answer is in post #63 ...that I deny believing the government version of events, and that I don't believe the expert testimony or eyewitness accounts because there is always at least one "expert" or "eyewitness" that can present evidence for every theory out there.

Meanwhile, all Americans and 911 researchers have the right to positive aircraft identification.  How some researchers would react to the information is hard to say, but would probably say they had plenty of time to process this evidence. That would be my guess. For others it just might put to rest some theories about the whereabouts of these aircraft.

Indeed, its hard to tell. The way I see it though, the only people who would benefit from the government releasing evidence of aircraft identification are the ones who already believe the mainstream view. I don't think it would do anything to quell conspiracy theories, and would probably intensify them as the theorists create new theories on how the government falsified the information.
What doesn't make sense is that we know the planes existed... the question is whether or not they crashed into the pentagon and at the site in PA. So why wouldn't the government just produce parts from those aircraft, wherever they may be? It would be simple. So then what's the motivation to hide information on the parts when it would be simple to produce in either situation? See my point... neither theory makes sense.

[Swampman]

"Meanwhile, all Americans and 911 researchers have the right to positive aircraft identification. "

Why?

I believe we have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  That's pretty much it.

[Swampman]

The planes didn't belong to the government.  The government's only purpose is to do for the people what they cannot do for themselves.

[Swampman]

No you subscribe to your ego.  As a Christian I don't really care what the government does.  They can only do what my God wants them to do.

[Swampman]

If what I know to be the truth didn't come from God it would be my ego.  I'm not speculating.  Guessing and speculating is fine if that's all you have.  That's all you have,

[Swampman]

I'd say without question that you aren't in contact with Jesus Christ, or you're beliefs wouldn't contradict scripture.

[Skeptic10787]

Skeptic,,,,that is a good point.  Except the aircraft and tail numbers were never taken off FTA register within 24 hours as mandated by federal regulation and which is always followed closely, except in this case. So for somebody hiding something it would never be wise to present hard evidence, like serialized part numbers, because they would be traceble. As for the craft hitting the towers those numbers would be traceble and possibly indicate slighty different aircraft or configurations, and what shops they were in and who recalls working on them

I agree that refusal to present hard evidence would indicate that they're hiding something... but after executing such an intricate conspiracy, creating evidence that the aircraft were legit would be nothing compared to the other tasks at hand. All they would have to do is slap the tail number on their similar but modified aircraft, swap the aircraft with the original, and when the replacement crashes (or disappears), they chop up and torch parts of the original aircraft and claim those parts as wreckage from the site. After what they have apparently already done, one would think the switch would be an easy task. Then again, I must admit that I've never swapped 8 jets around myself, so who knows.

[Swampman]

We don't have a need to know.  The American media needs disassembling.  It's the worst enemy that we have.

[SHOOTALL]

saw my handle above , don't really care about the attacks , some can only communicate that way and they have a right to speak . As far a govt. and believing , I haven't seen alot to believe on either side .
Its ok to question , but to accuse with out facts ( not ? ) is not helpful !

[jk3006]

"Meanwhile, all Americans and 911 researchers have the right to positive aircraft identification. "

Why?

I believe we have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  That's pretty much it.

How in the world are we going to be able to live freely and happily with a war-mongering government that has gone way overboard in just about every way?  Freedom is never free, and when government's get too big either they must fall or we must fall.  But there's no way we can live freely with a government that has run amuck like ours has.  Most people think they're free, but that's just an illusion.  Like TM7 said, you'll find out real quick who has the power when you stop paying your taxes.  Rights cannot be translated/converted into priviledges, but that's pretty much what has happened.  The privileges that Americans are enjoying right now can be swept out from under them at any time by BIG BROTHER.   

[jk3006]

Many of a religious persuasion wax about the loss of God in schools, the founding of our laws on Christian principles and code, that our original government was a Christian government, that the loss of the word 'God' in the pledge of allegiance, the necessity of the merger of religion with government (one example being 501c partnerships), and so on. But when certain elements of society question the authenticity of Caesar's account of the crime of the century, and aftermath, they are thrown stones.
But seems like many Christians on the right are a more than willing to issue unlimited passes for this kind of intrique, sin, or even crimes among mortal men, yet other crimes are to be prosecuted. 
This is unsettling and is not easily written off or reconciled and hints of hypocrisy.

TM7

I am a Christian who understands that the 501c3 incorporation of the Church has been extremely destructive to the Church and its ability to act as the Church.  One cannot serve two masters.  It is impossible. 

Caesar must always be questioned.  Nowhere in the Bible is there a mandate to blindly obey government no matter what they do.
Government was established/ordained by our Creator for two purposes: to punish the evildoers, and to commend those who do good.  We are not to go blindly through life.  We must know who are enemies are and how to contend with them.   

[BlkHawk73]

  Like Skeptic said, are all these "wacky" conspiracy sites and the followers of the same, going to believe what they're told anyways?  Doubt it!  The groups by and large will believe what THEY want regardless of it's burden of proof.  They'll keep the continuance of the theories going until they get the results they want which in most cases are admittance of all they've been claiming all these years.  Bush and the CIA could stand an publicaly declare all the thorists claims are true and they (the theorists) would STILL go on about the real truth being hidden.